College Football - Week of 11/17

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Like I said, West Texas A&M comes up here once every two years to play a team in our coverage area. They are really good, especially passing the ball, so Leaf must be doing something right.

those who can't do, teach

[SouthSideRyan]

In the event of this hypothetical 3 way tie the team that has the most outdated Rose Bowl appearance gets the invite. If a two team tie exist without a head-to-head matchup same thing goes. Illini has'nt been to the Rose Bowl since 1984, UM and OSU have been there more recently. (at least this is how i remember it being)

 

But it wouldn't be a 3-way tie. OSU would have 2 losses, Illinois and Michigan only 1.

 

That's wrong, but it does make me realize Andy's error. If UM wins they have 1 Big 10 loss(Wisky), whiles OSU(UI, UM) and UI (UM, Iowa) have 2 losses.

 

Michigan wins, they win the Big 10. Ohio St. has to win to keep our BCS hopes alive as it's unlikely OSU falls out(and stays out) of the top 14 with a loss. And there's no way a bowl takes us over OSU.

[Soul]

I'm selfish, but I'm really bitter about how easily Illinois could be in the mix of it all.

YOU'RE bitter...I'M bitter. UM/OSU would be essentially meaningless if you guys had just beaten Iowa, because you'd have clinched a Rose Bowl berth by now.

 

This has been said multiple times, but how is it true? If Michigan beats OSU it leaves them and hypothetical Illinois tied, with Michigan winning head-to-head.

 

The Big 10's tie-breaker scheme is similar to what one would do in a pee-wee football league. Throw out the head-to-heads, throw out point differentials, anything objective that might determine who is the actual best TEAM in the conference.

 

Whoever hasn't won it for the longest is simply declared the champs. And that would be Illinois this year.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm selfish, but I'm really bitter about how easily Illinois could be in the mix of it all.

YOU'RE bitter...I'M bitter. UM/OSU would be essentially meaningless if you guys had just beaten Iowa, because you'd have clinched a Rose Bowl berth by now.

 

This has been said multiple times, but how is it true? If Michigan beats OSU it leaves them and hypothetical Illinois tied, with Michigan winning head-to-head.

 

The Big 10's tie-breaker scheme is similar to what one would do in a pee-wee football league. Throw out the head-to-heads, throw out point differentials, anything objective that might determine who is the actual best TEAM in the conference.

 

Whoever hasn't won it for the longest is simply declared the champs. And that would be Illinois this year.

 

 

That's the third tiebreaker. The first is head to head, the second is overall record.

[Derwood]

I'm selfish, but I'm really bitter about how easily Illinois could be in the mix of it all.

YOU'RE bitter...I'M bitter. UM/OSU would be essentially meaningless if you guys had just beaten Iowa, because you'd have clinched a Rose Bowl berth by now.

 

This has been said multiple times, but how is it true? If Michigan beats OSU it leaves them and hypothetical Illinois tied, with Michigan winning head-to-head.

 

The Big 10's tie-breaker scheme is similar to what one would do in a pee-wee football league. Throw out the head-to-heads, throw out point differentials, anything objective that might determine who is the actual best TEAM in the conference.

 

Whoever hasn't won it for the longest is simply declared the champs. And that would be Illinois this year.

 

except there is 0% chance that Illinois can be Big 10 Champs this year.

[Soul]

I'm selfish, but I'm really bitter about how easily Illinois could be in the mix of it all.

YOU'RE bitter...I'M bitter. UM/OSU would be essentially meaningless if you guys had just beaten Iowa, because you'd have clinched a Rose Bowl berth by now.

 

This has been said multiple times, but how is it true? If Michigan beats OSU it leaves them and hypothetical Illinois tied, with Michigan winning head-to-head.

 

The Big 10's tie-breaker scheme is similar to what one would do in a pee-wee football league. Throw out the head-to-heads, throw out point differentials, anything objective that might determine who is the actual best TEAM in the conference.

 

Whoever hasn't won it for the longest is simply declared the champs. And that would be Illinois this year.

 

except there is 0% chance that Illinois can be Big 10 Champs this year.

 

Yeah I know. I meant in the hypothetical tie.

 

I'm sick about that Iowa game now. I can't believe they played so badly there. Kudos to Iowa though, they did what they had to for a home win.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

In the event of this hypothetical 3 way tie the team that has the most outdated Rose Bowl appearance gets the invite. If a two team tie exist without a head-to-head matchup same thing goes. Illini has'nt been to the Rose Bowl since 1984, UM and OSU have been there more recently. (at least this is how i remember it being)

 

But it wouldn't be a 3-way tie. OSU would have 2 losses, Illinois and Michigan only 1.

 

That's wrong, but it does make me realize Andy's error. If UM wins they have 1 Big 10 loss(Wisky), whiles OSU(UI, UM) and UI (UM, Iowa) have 2 losses.

 

 

Well yeah, I was still in the hypothetical where Illinois beat Iowa.

[Mephistopheles]

 

LSU had a 12.44% chance of going through its schedule unscathed (with UGA in the SEC-C)

OSU had a 18.76% chance of going through its schedule unscathed.

 

neat

 

anyways, voters are idiots and don't look at anything you look at, so your point is null and void. voters look at "what have you done for me lately". voters put South Florida #2.

 

we both know LSU played a harder schedule. and we both know it wouldn't matter at all if OSU happened to lose in Week 5 while LSU lost their last regular season game.

 

South Florida got that ranking due to beating some good teams. Funny how Ohio State got the #1 ranking by playing a by far worse schedule but that was ok since they have a big time name.

 

It looks to me that the Big 12 will have a rep in the BCS Champ game no matter how it falls. It's going to take WV to keep winning and a LSU loss for them to get a shot.

 

yeah, OSU got some "we know who they are" votes for sure.

 

I'm not arguing that Meph is wrong in his observations, only that his observations are not how the voting works right now. Saying LSU deserves to be #1 over OSU because the have a statistical x% chance of running the table with their schedule is analogous to saying Troy Tulowitzki deserved ROY over Ryan Braun because he had a higher WARP3. it's true, but it's not in any way what the idiot voters are basing their highly subjective opinions on

 

If meph's way were always right we wouldn't watch the games like we do. Did he have Arizona beating Oregon? Is Oregon a better team? Yes. That to me is the best part of this game is that the teams that do the best, should be the ones on top. Granted, playing 4 patsies and then having a conference that is down gives a lesser team an advantage but I think some teams have been trying to rectify that but you get the surprise teams like Rutgers last year and Kansas this year that played a poor OOC schedule but they still had/have to win their conferences, Rutgers didn't and we'll see how Kansas does. I have no problem with Kansas going to the big game if they win over Iowa St, Mizzou, and Oklahoma (if they are the team that wins the south)

 

It's a probability. It's not saying who wins in one game.

 

In respect to the Arizona Oregon game.....Dixon was out after the first quarter, of course we're not projecting that so you can throw the probabilities out the door when Dixon gets hurt (and rightfully so)

[Guest]

1/8 page ad that was in today's Daily Bruin:

 

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2355/2037845589_83986395fe.jpg

[Derwood]

ouch

[SouthSideRyan]

1/8 page ad that was in today's Daily Bruin:

 

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2355/2037845589_83986395fe.jpg

 

1/8??

 

Cheapass.

 

(not believing it wasn't you that put it in.)

[Guest]

Yeah, my broke ass can afford to advertise in the Daily Bruin.

 

DumpDorrell got a full pager too, trying to find it. It's going on Monday.

[Mephistopheles]

Dixon's out for the year, no surprise. Torn CPL (Corey Patterson Ligament). Apparently he actually tore it in the Arizona State game. He wanted to try to play through it and delay the surgery.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/11/16/dixon.oregon.ap/index.html

 

Mad props to him for that. Now the rest of the league is eating roasted duck.

[Guest]

Wow, he tried playing through it? Wow.

 

And now UCLA has a fighting chance against Oregon next weekend, especially with the game in Pasadena. :?

[Mephistopheles]

UCLA's gotta be the favorite. My respect for Dixon went through the roof though. Gutty.

[CubColtPacer]

UCLA's gotta be the favorite. My respect for Dixon went through the roof though. Gutty.

 

Agreed. I remember his interview in the 4th quarter. Someone asked him to compare his latest injury to the one that he had the previous week. He said he felt about the same, and that he would be fine. He obviously wanted to talk the coaching staff into letting him play even after the 2nd time, but I'm glad they shut him down at that point. Still though, he never even came close to letting on in the interview that it could be a serious injury, and the fact that he went out there with that is impressive.

[cubweiser03]

In the event of this hypothetical 3 way tie the team that has the most outdated Rose Bowl appearance gets the invite. If a two team tie exist without a head-to-head matchup same thing goes. Illini has'nt been to the Rose Bowl since 1984, UM and OSU have been there more recently. (at least this is how i remember it being)

 

But it wouldn't be a 3-way tie. OSU would have 2 losses, Illinois and Michigan only 1.

 

Yeah, what the hell is my problem.

[Guest]

so Illinois Sugar Bowl appearance wouldn't count? Not sure if UM or OSU went to the Rose Bowl since then but the only reason Illinois didn't go that year was because the Rose Bowl was the NC, right?

[Guest]

I'm selfish, but I'm really bitter about how easily Illinois could be in the mix of it all.

YOU'RE bitter...I'M bitter. UM/OSU would be essentially meaningless if you guys had just beaten Iowa, because you'd have clinched a Rose Bowl berth by now.

 

 

nope. Illinois would still have to beat NU and OSU beat UM.

[wekse]

so, is the illinois v. northwestern game on tv at all?

[CubColtPacer]

so, is the illinois v. northwestern game on tv at all?

 

It's on ESPN at noon, at least in my area. I don't think they do regional coverage at noon (so it should be on everywhere), but I'm not completely sure of that.

[wekse]

so, is the illinois v. northwestern game on tv at all?

 

It's on ESPN at noon, at least in my area. I don't think they do regional coverage at noon (so it should be on everywhere), but I'm not completely sure of that.

 

sweet...it's on here too...so it seems you're right about the regional coverage.

[snoodmonger]

plz don't choke, KU, so the Mizzou game will be as insane as possible.

[Exile on Waveland]

so Illinois Sugar Bowl appearance wouldn't count? Not sure if UM or OSU went to the Rose Bowl since then but the only reason Illinois didn't go that year was because the Rose Bowl was the NC, right?

 

I wondered the same. Illinois won the Big Ten in 2001, but the Rose Bowl was the National Championship game (Miami over Nebraska). So the Illini would've gone to the Rose Bowl in a normal year. Michigan has been to the Rose Bowl three times since then, while Ohio State actually hasn't been since 1997 (though they've played in two National Championship games).

 

So, if there was a three way tie this year, it would be an odd situation for both Illinois and Ohio State: both have recently won the Big Ten but not gone to the Rose Bowl. So would Ohio State actually win that tie break? Personally, I think the title game/Sugar Bowl should count as the Rose Bowl. The rule is clearly meant to reward/favor a team that hasn't been good recently and doesn't often get the chance to go to a major bowl. Ignoring other BCS bowls seemingly ruins this rationale.

 

Edit: Off to tailgate for the IU-Purdue game. GO HOOSIERS!!! Take the Bucket back!!!

[Keener98]

Just got home anybody care to tell me how U of I scored?