Bruce Levine Says There is Interest in Jacque

[USSoccer]

Jacque seems like a very fine gentleman, but he needs to go.

 

Between Pagan and Fuld, we should be able to cover a complete Pie collapse.

 

Pagan sucks and I'd rather not back Pie up with Fuld. Fuld would be a nice 5th OF/AAA callup in an emergency, but what about either guy makes you think "that's a good insurance policy for Pie"?

[Outshined_One]

*Shrugs*

 

At least E-Patt and Tyler Colvin are CF-worthy.

[KingCubsFan]

I've come to dislike Jacque less and less as time has gone by.

 

Really? I liked him a lot more when he hit 27 homers.

 

I think he'll end up between his 2006 and 2007 power numbers if he plays everyday.

Pie could do that too at the league minimum. If we can get someone to take the whole salary, I don't care what we get in return. We should be committing to Pie, and use part of Jacque's money to find a real backup CF, not someone who has been a starter their whole career and now has to sit unhappily on the bench.

 

I don't know. He's not prohibitively exepnsive, and there's a decent chance that Pie is terrible. As bad as Jones is against LHP, Pie is worse. Jones isn't a bad guy to have as a backup in that instance. Or vice versa.

 

And for what it's worth, I though he handled his 2 month banishment to the bench in a very good way.

Oh, I agree he handled it very professionally. Jacque seems like a good person, and would likely go the whole year without publicly complaining. Regardless, how is Pie that big of a risk compared to any other young player? He's succeeded at every level in the minors; his only weakness is hitting lefties which, coincidentally, is also Jones's. I'd prefer to have a backup that can actually play against lefties. In my opinion, Pie is a better bet to produce than Soto, who came out of nowhere this year.

[SouthSideRyan]

I've come to dislike Jacque less and less as time has gone by.

 

I've progressed to ambivalence.

 

I started liking him at his lowest point of last season when he handled the situation like a true professional. I have a ton of respect for Jacque. The fact that he was actually good in the 2nd half was icing on the cake.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I'd just like to point out that I've always been a Jacque fan.

 

Whether that makes me look good or look stupid is up for debate though. :wink:

[rawaction]

If trading Pie gives you a better player (than trading Jones would) who would be under Cubs control for another few years, then I would rather go for said player and keeps Jones around in CF for a year.

[USSoccer]

Oh, I agree he handled it very professionally. Jacque seems like a good person, and would likely go the whole year without publicly complaining. Regardless, how is Pie that big of a risk compared to any other young player? He's succeeded at every level in the minors; his only weakness is hitting lefties which, coincidentally, is also Jones's. I'd prefer to have a backup that can actually play against lefties. In my opinion, Pie is a better bet to produce than Soto, who came out of nowhere this year.

 

I don't know that you're correct in saying Pie is a better bet to be an improvement at his position over Soto.

[BigbadB]

I'm not surprised, given the piss-poor FA selection of CF and his above average defense there. He might be the only guy to be had at a somewhat reasonable price. We all know Torii and Andruw are gonna make wayyy too much money. I say package him with Murton and Marshall/Gallagher and get an impact player.

 

You can call it a bunch of different things, but there is absolutely no way you can call this offseason's free agent class/trade block CFers piss poor.

 

You have these free agents AND players who could be available:

 

Torii Hunter

Andruw Jones

Aaron Rowand

Mike Cameron

Jacque Jones

Rocco Baldelli

Carlos Gomez

Coco Crisp

Carl Crawford

Milton Bradley

 

Call many of them overrated or whatever you want to call them, but it would be hard to make a list of guys who aren't available in CF that would be better than this list of potentially available CFer's. After Grady Sizemore, Vernon Wells and Carlos Beltran, the list gets pretty slim. An article I saw shared here also said that Josh Hamilton could be made available.

[Abe Frohman]

I disagree with the notion that Jacque needs to go.

 

This club needs Left-handed bats, and hitters who can handle LHP - both of which JJ can do. He is a solid option in CF and RF, both of which are possibilities for two young/semi-young players (Pie/Murton).

 

Unless the Cubs can land an impact player for either CF or RF, there is really no reason to deal Jacque Jones.

[jersey cubs fan]

I disagree with the notion that Jacque needs to go.

 

This club needs Left-handed bats, and hitters who can handle LHP - both of which JJ can do. He is a solid option in CF and RF, both of which are possibilities for two young/semi-young players (Pie/Murton).

 

Unless the Cubs can land an impact player for either CF or RF, there is really no reason to deal Jacque Jones.

 

This team does not need left handed bats, and just because Jacque had one year where he was actually not incompetent against LHP, doesn't mean he can handle LHP.

 

This team needs bats, preferrably ones that get on base. Jacque doesn't get on base, and hurts the team.

[cheapseats]

I disagree with the notion that Jacque needs to go.

 

This club needs Left-handed bats, and hitters who can handle LHP - both of which JJ can do. He is a solid option in CF and RF, both of which are possibilities for two young/semi-young players (Pie/Murton).

 

Unless the Cubs can land an impact player for either CF or RF, there is really no reason to deal Jacque Jones.

 

What?

[JeffH]

He is a solid option in...RF

 

Jacque is solid in RF only in that he is neither a liquid nor a vapor.

[USSoccer]

I disagree with the notion that Jacque needs to go.

 

This club needs Left-handed bats, and hitters who can handle LHP - both of which JJ can do. He is a solid option in CF and RF, both of which are possibilities for two young/semi-young players (Pie/Murton).

 

Unless the Cubs can land an impact player for either CF or RF, there is really no reason to deal Jacque Jones.

 

This team does not need left handed bats, and just because Jacque had one year where he was actually not incompetent against LHP, doesn't mean he can handle LHP.

 

This team needs bats, preferrably ones that get on base. Jacque doesn't get on base, and hurts the team.

 

You don't think, that with 1 year left on the deal, he's an acceptable 4th OF?

[jersey cubs fan]

I disagree with the notion that Jacque needs to go.

 

This club needs Left-handed bats, and hitters who can handle LHP - both of which JJ can do. He is a solid option in CF and RF, both of which are possibilities for two young/semi-young players (Pie/Murton).

 

Unless the Cubs can land an impact player for either CF or RF, there is really no reason to deal Jacque Jones.

 

This team does not need left handed bats, and just because Jacque had one year where he was actually not incompetent against LHP, doesn't mean he can handle LHP.

 

This team needs bats, preferrably ones that get on base. Jacque doesn't get on base, and hurts the team.

 

You don't think, that with 1 year left on the deal, he's an acceptable 4th OF?

 

If you can't move him, or if you'd have to pay somebody else to take him, sure, he's an acceptable 4th OF. But he can't hit LHP and this team doesn't "need" LH bats. Those were my points.

[BigbadB]

I disagree with the notion that Jacque needs to go.

 

This club needs Left-handed bats, and hitters who can handle LHP - both of which JJ can do. He is a solid option in CF and RF, both of which are possibilities for two young/semi-young players (Pie/Murton).

 

Unless the Cubs can land an impact player for either CF or RF, there is really no reason to deal Jacque Jones.

 

This team does not need left handed bats, and just because Jacque had one year where he was actually not incompetent against LHP, doesn't mean he can handle LHP.

 

This team needs bats, preferrably ones that get on base. Jacque doesn't get on base, and hurts the team.

 

You don't think, that with 1 year left on the deal, he's an acceptable 4th OF?

 

He's definitely acceptable as a 4th outfielder. However, the Cubs won't treat him like one. If Jacque Jones is here in 2008, Felix Pie won't be the starting CFer.

[USSoccer]

I disagree with the notion that Jacque needs to go.

 

This club needs Left-handed bats, and hitters who can handle LHP - both of which JJ can do. He is a solid option in CF and RF, both of which are possibilities for two young/semi-young players (Pie/Murton).

 

Unless the Cubs can land an impact player for either CF or RF, there is really no reason to deal Jacque Jones.

 

This team does not need left handed bats, and just because Jacque had one year where he was actually not incompetent against LHP, doesn't mean he can handle LHP.

 

This team needs bats, preferrably ones that get on base. Jacque doesn't get on base, and hurts the team.

 

You don't think, that with 1 year left on the deal, he's an acceptable 4th OF?

 

If you can't move him, or if you'd have to pay somebody else to take him, sure, he's an acceptable 4th OF. But he can't hit LHP and this team doesn't "need" LH bats. Those were my points.

 

I agree on both counts. Not sure where anyone could think that he can hit LHP.

[RynoRules]

His value will never be higher (decent production and one year left one deal) - trade him now.

[questionmarkgrace]

Ive got to believe that the Twins are interested in Jacque with Hunter leaving. He was a fan favorite and could be had pretty easily.

[inari]

Ive got to believe that the Twins are interested in Jacque with Hunter leaving. He was a fan favorite and could be had pretty easily.

 

I would have to think you're right.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Pagan sucks and I'd rather not back Pie up with Fuld. Fuld would be a nice 5th OF/AAA callup in an emergency, but what about either guy makes you think "that's a good insurance policy for Pie"?

According to Stone, Fuld is tearing up Winter Ball... which I have a feeling won't carry over at all into next season. I just can't see him ever hitting Major League pitching.

[Abe Frohman]

Jersey - so you are saying the Cubs had no problems with LHP in 2007? In addition, you don't think the Cubs could use a few left handed hitters in the lineup? Jones' numbers weren't so bad against LHP in 2007, maybe he figured something out.

[TruffleShuffle]

i dunno how productive he is... if his power is really gone, and that .326 BABIP came back to normal, he'd be a .260/.310/.380. That's okay if you've got the red sox lineup around him, but clearly we don't have that.

[badnews]

You have these free agents AND players who could be available:

 

Who is really available and who the Hot Stove says is available or who is available for a overwhelming trade is different.

 

Regardless, how is Pie that big of a risk compared to any other young player?

 

A lot of guys strike out less and have a better K/BB ratio. So yes, Pie is a bigger risk that those young players who don't have that problem or have it to a lesser degree.

[Sammy Sofa]

Pagan sucks and I'd rather not back Pie up with Fuld. Fuld would be a nice 5th OF/AAA callup in an emergency, but what about either guy makes you think "that's a good insurance policy for Pie"?

According to Stone, Fuld is tearing up Winter Ball... which I have a feeling won't carry over at all into next season. I just can't see him ever hitting Major League pitching.

 

Hey, maybe that great leaping catch that slammed him into the wall magically knocked some talent into him.

 

If only...

[inari]

Jersey - so you are saying the Cubs had no problems with LHP in 2007? In addition, you don't think the Cubs could use a few left handed hitters in the lineup? Jones' numbers weren't so bad against LHP in 2007, maybe he figured something out.

 

With very rare exceptions, guys don't just "figure things out" when it comes to completely changing their career norms.