College Basketball 2007-2008

[illiniguy]

No question... it'll be a tough season, and they'll lose a lot of games. But, I'm willing to take a down year or two to properly re-establish IU after the Davis/Sampson debacles.

Yeah, I think you made a really good hire to boot. I bet it is two years and then you are really good again.

[hawkeyecub]

IU's gonna have to load up their nonconferences(Maui's gonna make that tougher than a normal year) to get to the NIT. I'd be surprised if they win more than 5 in the Big 10.

 

Conference wins are going to be tough to come by next year; same as in Maui. They also play at Wake Forest in the ACC-Big Ten Challenge and at Kentucky. However, if the schedule is similar to last year's pathetic non-conference slate they'll have about eight cupcakes at home. I also don't know the NIT's regulations regarding Division II teams, Indiana always seems to draw Chaminade in the first round (which could be an embarrassing loss or a win to help them get NIT-eligibility). Those eight and five in conference actually get them pretty close to .500. It'll be a struggle but the NIT is possible.

Plus the rest of the Big Ten isn't going to be great either.

 

MSU should be great, but they should have been great this year too.

Wisconsin will be very good. Me and 4 other posters on this board would be very good for Bo Ryan. Although he has more talent than people believe.

Purdue is gonna take a step back I think. Losing Martin will not be the non factor a lot think it will be.

OSU will be good, could have been gat had Koufas stayed.

Minn will be ok, still gonna take a bit for Tubby to get his guys in that system.

Illinois is the biggest wildcard in the conference. Either our three guards will do well and we will be good or we could be horrible again.

Iowa lost it's best player, but I like their coaches system and think they will be better than a lot of people think.

Michigan just lost Udoh, I bet they are about the same as last year.

Penn State lost one of their two players. I always mixed the two up, so I don't know if it was cornley or claxton. I imagine with their other guys progressing they will be around the same

Northwestern will be better.

Indiana could be the worst, but I bet they aren't nearly as bad as everyone is predicting.

 

Pretty good assessment. I think Purdue definitely finishes top 3. As much as I like Izzo when was the last time they really lived up to expectations fully? I think Minnesota takes a slight step back along with IU obviously dropping to the bottom third. Illinois can make a jump to 5th maybe 4th if things come together.

Iowa and Michigan are still building and I think losing Udoh hurts more than many would think. They don't have many rebounders and he was the best shot blocker in the league.

[illiniguy]

IU's gonna have to load up their nonconferences(Maui's gonna make that tougher than a normal year) to get to the NIT. I'd be surprised if they win more than 5 in the Big 10.

 

Conference wins are going to be tough to come by next year; same as in Maui. They also play at Wake Forest in the ACC-Big Ten Challenge and at Kentucky. However, if the schedule is similar to last year's pathetic non-conference slate they'll have about eight cupcakes at home. I also don't know the NIT's regulations regarding Division II teams, Indiana always seems to draw Chaminade in the first round (which could be an embarrassing loss or a win to help them get NIT-eligibility). Those eight and five in conference actually get them pretty close to .500. It'll be a struggle but the NIT is possible.

Plus the rest of the Big Ten isn't going to be great either.

 

MSU should be great, but they should have been great this year too.

Wisconsin will be very good. Me and 4 other posters on this board would be very good for Bo Ryan. Although he has more talent than people believe.

Purdue is gonna take a step back I think. Losing Martin will not be the non factor a lot think it will be.

OSU will be good, could have been gat had Koufas stayed.

Minn will be ok, still gonna take a bit for Tubby to get his guys in that system.

Illinois is the biggest wildcard in the conference. Either our three guards will do well and we will be good or we could be horrible again.

Iowa lost it's best player, but I like their coaches system and think they will be better than a lot of people think.

Michigan just lost Udoh, I bet they are about the same as last year.

Penn State lost one of their two players. I always mixed the two up, so I don't know if it was cornley or claxton. I imagine with their other guys progressing they will be around the same

Northwestern will be better.

Indiana could be the worst, but I bet they aren't nearly as bad as everyone is predicting.

 

Pretty good assessment. I think Purdue definitely finishes top 3. As much as I like Izzo when was the last time they really lived up to expectations fully? I think Minnesota takes a slight step back along with IU obviously dropping to the bottom third. Illinois can make a jump to 5th maybe 4th if things come together.

Iowa and Michigan are still building and I think losing Udoh hurts more than many would think. They don't have many rebounders and he was the best shot blocker in the league.

Yeah Udoh was by far their best player on defense, but I don't think he fit in Belien's(sp?) offense at all. It will hurt them this year losing him, but going forward it won't too bad.

 

The Big Ten is on the rebound though. In 2010 we are recruiting like mad men. Wisky has a 5 star committed. We have Richmond and Head who both could be top ten players. OSU has 2 tops tens and another right outside of it.

[Exile on Waveland]

IU's gonna have to load up their nonconferences(Maui's gonna make that tougher than a normal year) to get to the NIT. I'd be surprised if they win more than 5 in the Big 10.

 

Conference wins are going to be tough to come by next year; same as in Maui. They also play at Wake Forest in the ACC-Big Ten Challenge and at Kentucky. However, if the schedule is similar to last year's pathetic non-conference slate they'll have about eight cupcakes at home. I also don't know the NIT's regulations regarding Division II teams, Indiana always seems to draw Chaminade in the first round (which could be an embarrassing loss or a win to help them get NIT-eligibility). Those eight and five in conference actually get them pretty close to .500. It'll be a struggle but the NIT is possible.

Plus the rest of the Big Ten isn't going to be great either.

 

MSU should be great, but they should have been great this year too.

Wisconsin will be very good. Me and 4 other posters on this board would be very good for Bo Ryan. Although he has more talent than people believe.

Purdue is gonna take a step back I think. Losing Martin will not be the non factor a lot think it will be.

OSU will be good, could have been gat had Koufas stayed.

Minn will be ok, still gonna take a bit for Tubby to get his guys in that system.

Illinois is the biggest wildcard in the conference. Either our three guards will do well and we will be good or we could be horrible again.

Iowa lost it's best player, but I like their coaches system and think they will be better than a lot of people think.

Michigan just lost Udoh, I bet they are about the same as last year.

Penn State lost one of their two players. I always mixed the two up, so I don't know if it was cornley or claxton. I imagine with their other guys progressing they will be around the same

Northwestern will be better.

Indiana could be the worst, but I bet they aren't nearly as bad as everyone is predicting.

 

Pretty good assessment. I think Purdue definitely finishes top 3. As much as I like Izzo when was the last time they really lived up to expectations fully? I think Minnesota takes a slight step back along with IU obviously dropping to the bottom third. Illinois can make a jump to 5th maybe 4th if things come together.

Iowa and Michigan are still building and I think losing Udoh hurts more than many would think. They don't have many rebounders and he was the best shot blocker in the league.

Yeah Udoh was by far their best player on defense, but I don't think he fit in Belien's(sp?) offense at all. It will hurt them this year losing him, but going forward it won't too bad.

 

The Big Ten is on the rebound though. In 2010 we are recruiting like mad men. Wisky has a 5 star committed. We have Richmond and Head who both could be top ten players. OSU has 2 tops tens and another right outside of it.

 

With the influx of coaching talent (and Weber's recruiting resurgence) it's just a matter of time before the Big Ten is the powerhouse conference it should be.

[illiniguy]

IU's gonna have to load up their nonconferences(Maui's gonna make that tougher than a normal year) to get to the NIT. I'd be surprised if they win more than 5 in the Big 10.

 

Conference wins are going to be tough to come by next year; same as in Maui. They also play at Wake Forest in the ACC-Big Ten Challenge and at Kentucky. However, if the schedule is similar to last year's pathetic non-conference slate they'll have about eight cupcakes at home. I also don't know the NIT's regulations regarding Division II teams, Indiana always seems to draw Chaminade in the first round (which could be an embarrassing loss or a win to help them get NIT-eligibility). Those eight and five in conference actually get them pretty close to .500. It'll be a struggle but the NIT is possible.

Plus the rest of the Big Ten isn't going to be great either.

 

MSU should be great, but they should have been great this year too.

Wisconsin will be very good. Me and 4 other posters on this board would be very good for Bo Ryan. Although he has more talent than people believe.

Purdue is gonna take a step back I think. Losing Martin will not be the non factor a lot think it will be.

OSU will be good, could have been gat had Koufas stayed.

Minn will be ok, still gonna take a bit for Tubby to get his guys in that system.

Illinois is the biggest wildcard in the conference. Either our three guards will do well and we will be good or we could be horrible again.

Iowa lost it's best player, but I like their coaches system and think they will be better than a lot of people think.

Michigan just lost Udoh, I bet they are about the same as last year.

Penn State lost one of their two players. I always mixed the two up, so I don't know if it was cornley or claxton. I imagine with their other guys progressing they will be around the same

Northwestern will be better.

Indiana could be the worst, but I bet they aren't nearly as bad as everyone is predicting.

 

Pretty good assessment. I think Purdue definitely finishes top 3. As much as I like Izzo when was the last time they really lived up to expectations fully? I think Minnesota takes a slight step back along with IU obviously dropping to the bottom third. Illinois can make a jump to 5th maybe 4th if things come together.

Iowa and Michigan are still building and I think losing Udoh hurts more than many would think. They don't have many rebounders and he was the best shot blocker in the league.

Yeah Udoh was by far their best player on defense, but I don't think he fit in Belien's(sp?) offense at all. It will hurt them this year losing him, but going forward it won't too bad.

 

The Big Ten is on the rebound though. In 2010 we are recruiting like mad men. Wisky has a 5 star committed. We have Richmond and Head who both could be top ten players. OSU has 2 tops tens and another right outside of it.

 

With the influx of coaching talent (and Weber's recruiting resurgence) it's just a matter of time before the Big Ten is the powerhouse conference it should be.

Eh, I still maintain we have been ok this decade. Although we have only the one national title, We have had 9 teams reach the final four which ties us with the ACC for the most in the last ten years. Last year was a down year, but the ACC sucked last year as well, but it isn't the fashionable thing to slam on them. UNC was very good, but past that they had some paper tigers.

[Exile on Waveland]

IU's gonna have to load up their nonconferences(Maui's gonna make that tougher than a normal year) to get to the NIT. I'd be surprised if they win more than 5 in the Big 10.

 

Conference wins are going to be tough to come by next year; same as in Maui. They also play at Wake Forest in the ACC-Big Ten Challenge and at Kentucky. However, if the schedule is similar to last year's pathetic non-conference slate they'll have about eight cupcakes at home. I also don't know the NIT's regulations regarding Division II teams, Indiana always seems to draw Chaminade in the first round (which could be an embarrassing loss or a win to help them get NIT-eligibility). Those eight and five in conference actually get them pretty close to .500. It'll be a struggle but the NIT is possible.

Plus the rest of the Big Ten isn't going to be great either.

 

MSU should be great, but they should have been great this year too.

Wisconsin will be very good. Me and 4 other posters on this board would be very good for Bo Ryan. Although he has more talent than people believe.

Purdue is gonna take a step back I think. Losing Martin will not be the non factor a lot think it will be.

OSU will be good, could have been gat had Koufas stayed.

Minn will be ok, still gonna take a bit for Tubby to get his guys in that system.

Illinois is the biggest wildcard in the conference. Either our three guards will do well and we will be good or we could be horrible again.

Iowa lost it's best player, but I like their coaches system and think they will be better than a lot of people think.

Michigan just lost Udoh, I bet they are about the same as last year.

Penn State lost one of their two players. I always mixed the two up, so I don't know if it was cornley or claxton. I imagine with their other guys progressing they will be around the same

Northwestern will be better.

Indiana could be the worst, but I bet they aren't nearly as bad as everyone is predicting.

 

Pretty good assessment. I think Purdue definitely finishes top 3. As much as I like Izzo when was the last time they really lived up to expectations fully? I think Minnesota takes a slight step back along with IU obviously dropping to the bottom third. Illinois can make a jump to 5th maybe 4th if things come together.

Iowa and Michigan are still building and I think losing Udoh hurts more than many would think. They don't have many rebounders and he was the best shot blocker in the league.

Yeah Udoh was by far their best player on defense, but I don't think he fit in Belien's(sp?) offense at all. It will hurt them this year losing him, but going forward it won't too bad.

 

The Big Ten is on the rebound though. In 2010 we are recruiting like mad men. Wisky has a 5 star committed. We have Richmond and Head who both could be top ten players. OSU has 2 tops tens and another right outside of it.

 

With the influx of coaching talent (and Weber's recruiting resurgence) it's just a matter of time before the Big Ten is the powerhouse conference it should be.

Eh, I still maintain we have been ok this decade. Although we have only the one national title, We have had 9 teams reach the final four which ties us with the ACC for the most in the last ten years. Last year was a down year, but the ACC sucked last year as well, but it isn't the fashionable thing to slam on them. UNC was very good, but past that they had some paper tigers.

 

The Big Ten hasn't been as bad as many would like to believe, and the top has generally been very strong. However, it hasn't been as deep recently. Michigan has been down for a long time. Purdue was really down a couple seasons. Indiana was bad a couple seasons and never the national player they'd been in previous decades. Minnesota and Iowa have had their struggles. The conference needs most of those teams to be competitive, especially since there is one team guaranteed to be terrible (Northwestern) and another that's not likely to be very good at all (Penn State).

[Derwood]

is is so hard to believe that a kid from Champaign might not want to play for UofI?

No it isn't. But, why don't you read up on Jones a bit. You might sound less foolish. Let me help guide you, check on his dad also.

 

i don't really care about Illini basketball. at all. I was just asking

 

 

Thats odd because you always seem to have some kind of comment regarding U of I's basketball team. You know, like Penn States program passing the Illini's :D

 

losing your team's top scorer/rebounder 2 games into conference play put a dmper on that one

[SouthSideRyan]

 

The Big Ten hasn't been as bad as many would like to believe, and the top has generally been very strong. However, it hasn't been as deep recently. Michigan has been down for a long time. Purdue was really down a couple seasons. Indiana was bad a couple seasons and never the national player they'd been in previous decades. Minnesota and Iowa have had their struggles. The conference needs most of those teams to be competitive, especially since there is one team guaranteed to be terrible (Northwestern) and another that's not likely to be very good at all (Penn State).

 

Nailed it. Every conference has their middle of the pack team with its peaks and valleys. Northwestern and Penn St. has killed us because their peaks since the Joe Crispin era has been 8th out of 11.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's okay to laugh at this since he's okay now.

 

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. - West Virginia University officials say basketball coach Bob Huggins has been taken to a hospital in Charlotte, N.C., for precautionary reasons after tripping on an airport tarmac and hitting his head on the pavement.

 

Athletic director Ed Pastilong says Huggins had a bump on his head, and never lost consciousness.

 

Pastilong says Huggins and other athletic department staff flew to Charlotte on Thursday morning for a Mountaineer Athletic Club event. After Huggins got off the plane, he was checking his cell phone messages when he tripped over a cone on the tarmac and hit his head.

[CuseCubFan69]

It's okay to laugh at this since he's okay now.

 

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. - West Virginia University officials say basketball coach Bob Huggins has been taken to a hospital in Charlotte, N.C., for precautionary reasons after tripping on an airport tarmac and hitting his head on the pavement.

 

Athletic director Ed Pastilong says Huggins had a bump on his head, and never lost consciousness.

 

Pastilong says Huggins and other athletic department staff flew to Charlotte on Thursday morning for a Mountaineer Athletic Club event. After Huggins got off the plane, he was checking his cell phone messages when he tripped over a cone on the tarmac and hit his head.

 

He probably tripped over his wallet.

[Bruno7481]

Jeremiah Rivers, the son of Doc Rivers, is transfering to IU from Georgetown.

 

He doesn't look like much of an offensive player but he is supposed to be very good defensively. Maybe somebody that sees more Big East than I do could elaborate further.

[apete6]

It's okay to laugh at this since he's okay now.

 

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. - West Virginia University officials say basketball coach Bob Huggins has been taken to a hospital in Charlotte, N.C., for precautionary reasons after tripping on an airport tarmac and hitting his head on the pavement.

 

Athletic director Ed Pastilong says Huggins had a bump on his head, and never lost consciousness.

 

Pastilong says Huggins and other athletic department staff flew to Charlotte on Thursday morning for a Mountaineer Athletic Club event. After Huggins got off the plane, he was checking his cell phone messages when he tripped over a cone on the tarmac and hit his head.

 

He probably tripped over his wallet.

 

Something tells me that flying first class + loads of free drinks = Huggy Bear tripping on tarmac.

[hawkeyecub]

Jeremiah Rivers, the son of Doc Rivers, is transfering to IU from Georgetown.

 

He doesn't look like much of an offensive player but he is supposed to be very good defensively. Maybe somebody that sees more Big East than I do could elaborate further.

 

So he was the player to be named later in the Ewing Jr. deal. I was wondering when that would be completed.

[splintersag]

Anybody remember Devin Ebanks, the Indiana recruit who decommited? Is he still undecided? I hear Memphis, Rutgers, Texas, and WVU are recruting him.

[shnsajax]

Mayo is now being linked to receiving gifts while still in HS and while at USC. The NCAA would probably be better served stationing investigators permanently on campus at USC. In other non-breaking news we have all assumed for the past year...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3390695

[mul21]

Anybody remember Devin Ebanks, the Indiana recruit who decommited? Is he still undecided? I hear Memphis, Rutgers, Texas, and WVU are recruting him.

 

I think I read somewhere he is quasi-committed to Rutgers.

[splintersag]

Mayo is now being linked to receiving gifts while still in HS and while at USC. The NCAA would probably be better served stationing investigators permanently on campus at USC. In other non-breaking news we have all assumed for the past year...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3390695

 

Not very suprising. USC has a history of these things. See Reggie Bush's mom's house, Dwayne Jarrett's rent, etc.

[Guest]

Yeah, the only thing I was surprised about when I heard it yesterday was that it was $250,000 between high school and USC. Seriously, that much money?

 

I'm waiting for the NCAA to say USC lacks institutional control. Everyone on campus knew that Reggie and OJ were getting scores of money because they were flaunting it. Don't tell me Pom Pom and Pink Floyd didn't know.

 

ETA: I forgot about Dwayne Jarrett's rent. Hah.

[ZMovieman]

Yeah, the only thing I was surprised about when I heard it yesterday was that it was $250,000 between high school and USC. Seriously, that much money?

 

I'm waiting for the NCAA to say USC lacks institutional control. Everyone on campus knew that Reggie and OJ were getting scores of money because they were flaunting it. Don't tell me Pom Pom and Pink Floyd didn't know.

 

ETA: I forgot about Dwayne Jarrett's rent. Hah.

 

Pat Forde has an article on ESPN saying that if there was any justice in the world that USC would at least be threatened with the death penalty. He doesn't believe, and neither do I, that USC and Floyd were oblivious to this. That, and the whole football scandals with Bush and Jarrett, he thinks justify it. Much as I loathe USC, the death penalty? Yikes. SMU still hasn't recovered from it.

[Guest]

Yeah, I saw that article. That would be too hilarious but I'm with you that they don't deserve the death penalty.

 

It'd be fantastic if some sort of punishment is actually handed down. This nonsense that the coaching staff and compliance knew nothing of it is BS. Nothing happened to Jarrett as far as I remember. The Reggie Bush thing is "on-going."

[shnsajax]

Yeah, I saw that article. That would be too hilarious but I'm with you that they don't deserve the death penalty.

 

It'd be fantastic if some sort of punishment is actually handed down. This nonsense that the coaching staff and compliance knew nothing of it is BS. Nothing happened to Jarrett as far as I remember. The Reggie Bush thing is "on-going."

 

I understand the thought behind it, but I'm not sure the NCAA likely would issue SMU the death penalty again if they had to do it all over. Still something is going to have to eventually happen, and at some point the NCAA is going to want to send some kind of message. The have almost seemed to have given preferential treatment towards USC and looking the other way in past cases. However these cases at USC are not small infractions.

[TruffleShuffle]

usc deserves a harsh penalty, but because they're a major, high-visibility program they'll get a slap on the wrist

[manbearcub]

usc deserves a harsh penalty, but because they're a major, high-visibility program they'll get a slap on the wrist

...if that.

 

Its been two years since the Reggie Bush/Jarrett thing and nothing has been done at all.

[SpongeWorthy]

You guys actually consider the Jarret thing an issue? He paid $500 dollars in rent for a bedroom in a place where many other USC students lived while Matt Leinart's dad covered the rest. BFD. He made up the difference to charity.

 

As for Mayo...well I can't say I'm shocked. I'm just wondering what the NCAA missed when they investigated Mayo prior to his enrollment or what the NCAA, Pac-10, and USC missed when they investigated Mayo after he received some Lakers tickets from Carmelo Anthony.

 

I really do think you guys are looking at this through the same lens as booster activity at the past. Ostensibly, these agents in the Bush/Mayo situation (the Bush situation should have zero bearing on how the basketball program is punished, as I believe they will be), are giving benefits to players to get them to LEAVE school. That's an entirely different beast than a booster (boosters were not involved in either case, another misconception) paying players to ATTEND USC. If anything these guys view universities as inconvenient middlemen and would rather have commission-paying, professional clients.

[Guest]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3390757&sportCat=ncb

 

Pat Forde rules!