College Basketball 2007-2008

[Guest]

That was completely clean. He got 100% ball up top, was totally vertical and made minimal, if any contact with the body. I don't see how that was a foul. It was hard to tell live from the angle they had, but when they showed the X-mo replay later I saw no foul.

 

Yes, this is what happened and UCLA was given the game. You can't draw up what the defender did any better than how he did it. I couldn't care less who won the game, but Stanford got robbed.

 

"He drew contact when he went to the basket," Hill said. "It was still on him to make the free throws."

 

That's Lawrence Hill, the guy the foul was called on.

 

ETA: I don't know that I would have called the foul in that situation but that doesn't mean it isn't a foul.

[Guest]

Holy. Crap. Wow. What an amazing come back. Clutch FTs by Westbrook and Collison to force OT. Collison was just amazing.

 

Three time Pac-10 champs. \:D/

 

How many times were you Pac-8 Champs?

 

12 Pac-8 champs and 10 Pac-10 champs, 30 overall (amongst the PCC, AAWU, Pac-8, Pac-10), all since 1950.

[gflore34]

i can take some consolation knowing that the illini would be in the middle of the pack in the big ten if they were an average free throw shooting team.

 

That offers me no consolation. Just makes me sadder. Trailing at the half 5 times all year. Just a painful year of basketball.

Thankfully it will be over soon enough. Please let next year bet better.

 

I don't see how it won't be given, in Smith and Legion; they'll be adding players who have important basketball skills, like the ability to successfully shoot the ball.

 

Do you realize that if the Illini shot a rather pedestrian 70% from the free throw line they'd be around 20-8 (took the 54 additional points and came up with 8 more wins) and quite possibly NCAA bound?

[illiniguy]

i can take some consolation knowing that the illini would be in the middle of the pack in the big ten if they were an average free throw shooting team.

 

That offers me no consolation. Just makes me sadder. Trailing at the half 5 times all year. Just a painful year of basketball.

Thankfully it will be over soon enough. Please let next year bet better.

 

I don't see how it won't be given, in Smith and Legion; they'll be adding players who have important basketball skills, like the ability to successfully shoot the ball.

 

Do you realize that if the Illini shot a rather pedestrian 70% from the free throw line they'd be around 20-8 (took the 54 additional points and came up with 8 more wins) and quite possibly NCAA bound?

Yeah I saw a stat that before last night we have been outscored by 4 points all year. Just a really bad year. I was glad Randle made it back though. He deserves his senior night. He was willing to give up a year of eligibility during our tourny run a few years ago to help in only a couple of games, thankfully cooler heads prevailed and he didn't have to do that. Wish he would have been healthier during his time in Champaign.

[SouthSideRyan]

Brian Randle is a class act and a great human being. Was glad to see the reaction he got last night. Was a little worried people wouldn't show him the respect he deserved.

[illiniguy]

Brian Randle is a class act and a great human being. Was glad to see the reaction he got last night. Was a little worried people wouldn't show him the respect he deserved.

Yeah. I am sure he will do well with whatever he chooses to do. I feel for the kid, he was an NBA player, but injuries sapped a lot of that from him.

[Flames24Rulz]

Brian Randle is a class act and a great human being. Was glad to see the reaction he got last night. Was a little worried people wouldn't show him the respect he deserved.

Yeah. I am sure he will do well with whatever he chooses to do. I feel for the kid, he was an NBA player, but injuries sapped a lot of that from him.

 

Injuries don't have anything to do with intelligence, though. He was easily one of the most frustrating players I've ever witnessed. That being said, I'm glad he didn't get booed. That would've been the definition of classless.

 

12:30 on a Friday afternoon and I've never been more interested in a Drake-Indiana State game. God I love March.

[illiniguy]

Brian Randle is a class act and a great human being. Was glad to see the reaction he got last night. Was a little worried people wouldn't show him the respect he deserved.

Yeah. I am sure he will do well with whatever he chooses to do. I feel for the kid, he was an NBA player, but injuries sapped a lot of that from him.

 

Injuries don't have anything to do with intelligence, though. He was easily one of the most frustrating players I've ever witnessed. That being said, I'm glad he didn't get booed. That would've been the definition of classless.

 

12:30 on a Friday afternoon and I've never been more interested in a Drake-Indiana State game. God I love March.

Lol. I am not going to argue with you on the frustrating part, but I think he graduated with a 4.0

[SouthSideRyan]

Brian Randle is a class act and a great human being. Was glad to see the reaction he got last night. Was a little worried people wouldn't show him the respect he deserved.

Yeah. I am sure he will do well with whatever he chooses to do. I feel for the kid, he was an NBA player, but injuries sapped a lot of that from him.

 

Injuries don't have anything to do with intelligence, though. He was easily one of the most frustrating players I've ever witnessed. That being said, I'm glad he didn't get booed. That would've been the definition of classless.

 

12:30 on a Friday afternoon and I've never been more interested in a Drake-Indiana State game. God I love March.

Lol. I am not going to argue with you on the frustrating part, but I think he graduated with a 4.0

 

Yeah he's definitely a smart kid.

[Sweep The Leg Johnny]

Wisconsin got a commit from Diamond Taylor, a top Illinois player in the 2009 class. From the scouting reports I read, sounds like a good player. Anyone know anything about him?

 

As for the short term, Wisconsin better not lay an egg tomorrow. I hate playing @ Northwestern. In football and basketball, the Wildcats always seem to have the Badgers number.

[SouthSideRyan]

Can't really tell you anything about Taylor that I haven't read from likely the same reports. I heard a lot about him before this year and don't seem to hear as much now, but that's likely due to my Illini-centric mind and not paying attention to '09s once we got our guards. He's still a good get regardless, and at this point I trust Ryan to know who's right for him.

[Guest]

The Wall Street Journal took a look at the Tim Floyd's recruitment of and scholarship offer to Lil Romeo (and the recruitment of Demar DeRozan). Interesting piece though nothing that we didn't necessarily already know.

[hawkeyecub]

Brian Randle is a class act and a great human being. Was glad to see the reaction he got last night. Was a little worried people wouldn't show him the respect he deserved.

Yeah. I am sure he will do well with whatever he chooses to do. I feel for the kid, he was an NBA player, but injuries sapped a lot of that from him.

 

Injuries don't have anything to do with intelligence, though. He was easily one of the most frustrating players I've ever witnessed. That being said, I'm glad he didn't get booed. That would've been the definition of classless.

 

12:30 on a Friday afternoon and I've never been more interested in a Drake-Indiana State game. God I love March.

Lol. I am not going to argue with you on the frustrating part, but I think he graduated with a 4.0

 

Yeah he's definitely a smart kid.

 

Apparently that kind of intelligence didn't translate to knowing how to stay out of foul trouble by not committing an abundance of dumb fouls.

[hawkeyecub]

That was completely clean. He got 100% ball up top, was totally vertical and made minimal, if any contact with the body. I don't see how that was a foul. It was hard to tell live from the angle they had, but when they showed the X-mo replay later I saw no foul.

 

Yes, this is what happened and UCLA was given the game. You can't draw up what the defender did any better than how he did it. I couldn't care less who won the game, but Stanford got robbed.

 

"He drew contact when he went to the basket," Hill said. "It was still on him to make the free throws."

 

That's Lawrence Hill, the guy the foul was called on.

 

ETA: I don't know that I would have called the foul in that situation but that doesn't mean it isn't a foul.

 

I don't care what the kid says. He doesn't have a great idea of exactly what happened a bang-bang play in that kind of situation, plus he may have just been taking the high road.

 

Look at the replay. It clearly wasn't a foul. He was completely vertical and it was clear as day (especially on the x mo replay) that he got 100% ball.

[illiniguy]

Brian Randle is a class act and a great human being. Was glad to see the reaction he got last night. Was a little worried people wouldn't show him the respect he deserved.

Yeah. I am sure he will do well with whatever he chooses to do. I feel for the kid, he was an NBA player, but injuries sapped a lot of that from him.

 

Injuries don't have anything to do with intelligence, though. He was easily one of the most frustrating players I've ever witnessed. That being said, I'm glad he didn't get booed. That would've been the definition of classless.

 

12:30 on a Friday afternoon and I've never been more interested in a Drake-Indiana State game. God I love March.

Lol. I am not going to argue with you on the frustrating part, but I think he graduated with a 4.0

 

Yeah he's definitely a smart kid.

 

Apparently that kind of intelligence didn't translate to knowing how to stay out of foul trouble by not committing an abundance of dumb fouls.

Or maybe his injuries to his groin really sapped his lateral quickness causing him to have to use his hands more on defense. Naw that can't be it. He is just too dumb to play defense. :roll:

[Guest]

That was completely clean. He got 100% ball up top, was totally vertical and made minimal, if any contact with the body. I don't see how that was a foul. It was hard to tell live from the angle they had, but when they showed the X-mo replay later I saw no foul.

 

Yes, this is what happened and UCLA was given the game. You can't draw up what the defender did any better than how he did it. I couldn't care less who won the game, but Stanford got robbed.

 

"He drew contact when he went to the basket," Hill said. "It was still on him to make the free throws."

 

That's Lawrence Hill, the guy the foul was called on.

 

ETA: I don't know that I would have called the foul in that situation but that doesn't mean it isn't a foul.

 

I don't care what the kid says. He doesn't have a great idea of exactly what happened a bang-bang play in that kind of situation, plus he may have just been taking the high road.

 

Look at the replay. It clearly wasn't a foul. He was completely vertical and it was clear as day (especially on the x mo replay) that he got 100% ball.

 

The foul call was on the body contact, not the block shot which I agree was 100% clean.

 

http://telemachus.smugmug.com/gallery/4433994_5ZiTX#262889690_6QaFu-A-LB

 

On the first replay, you can clearly see the ref doing the hip check indicating that it was a body contact foul, not a foul on the block. The x-mo and the third replay show that while the shot was blocked cleanly, Hill created body contact. I don't know how you could say Hill made "minimal, if any contact."

 

That said, I wouldn't have called it (then again I have no clue what the hell Pac-10 refs are doing half the time).

[illiniguy]

That was completely clean. He got 100% ball up top, was totally vertical and made minimal, if any contact with the body. I don't see how that was a foul. It was hard to tell live from the angle they had, but when they showed the X-mo replay later I saw no foul.

 

Yes, this is what happened and UCLA was given the game. You can't draw up what the defender did any better than how he did it. I couldn't care less who won the game, but Stanford got robbed.

 

"He drew contact when he went to the basket," Hill said. "It was still on him to make the free throws."

 

That's Lawrence Hill, the guy the foul was called on.

 

ETA: I don't know that I would have called the foul in that situation but that doesn't mean it isn't a foul.

 

I don't care what the kid says. He doesn't have a great idea of exactly what happened a bang-bang play in that kind of situation, plus he may have just been taking the high road.

 

Look at the replay. It clearly wasn't a foul. He was completely vertical and it was clear as day (especially on the x mo replay) that he got 100% ball.

 

The foul call was on the body contact, not the block shot which I agree was 100% clean.

 

http://telemachus.smugmug.com/gallery/4433994_5ZiTX#262889690_6QaFu-A-LB

 

On the first replay, you can clearly see the ref doing the hip check indicating that it was a body contact foul, not a foul on the block. The x-mo and the third replay show that while the shot was blocked cleanly, Hill created body contact. I don't know how you could say Hill made "minimal, if any contact."

 

That said, I wouldn't have called it (then again I have no clue what the hell Pac-10 refs are doing half the time).

Oh it isn't exclusive to Pac 10 refs. The whole college game needs to do something about the officiating. There have been numerous horrible calls all year. The call during the Georgetown Villanova game that won the game for GU should have cost someone their job.

[hawkeyecub]

That was completely clean. He got 100% ball up top, was totally vertical and made minimal, if any contact with the body. I don't see how that was a foul. It was hard to tell live from the angle they had, but when they showed the X-mo replay later I saw no foul.

 

Yes, this is what happened and UCLA was given the game. You can't draw up what the defender did any better than how he did it. I couldn't care less who won the game, but Stanford got robbed.

 

"He drew contact when he went to the basket," Hill said. "It was still on him to make the free throws."

 

That's Lawrence Hill, the guy the foul was called on.

 

ETA: I don't know that I would have called the foul in that situation but that doesn't mean it isn't a foul.

 

I don't care what the kid says. He doesn't have a great idea of exactly what happened a bang-bang play in that kind of situation, plus he may have just been taking the high road.

 

Look at the replay. It clearly wasn't a foul. He was completely vertical and it was clear as day (especially on the x mo replay) that he got 100% ball.

 

The foul call was on the body contact, not the block shot which I agree was 100% clean.

 

http://telemachus.smugmug.com/gallery/4433994_5ZiTX#262889690_6QaFu-A-LB

 

On the first replay, you can clearly see the ref doing the hip check indicating that it was a body contact foul, not a foul on the block. The x-mo and the third replay show that while the shot was blocked cleanly, Hill created body contact. I don't know how you could say Hill made "minimal, if any contact."

 

That said, I wouldn't have called it (then again I have no clue what the hell Pac-10 refs are doing half the time).

 

You're right he did make body contact. But there's body contact underneath on probably 75% of all blocks. When you are completely vertical, get all ball and the only contact isn't hard and is that low, that's just not a foul. If anything that's a jump ball. And considering they called a jump about 13 times in that game, it would have been fitting.

There's a reason that basically everyone besides UCLA fans are saying it was a bad call and it's getting so much pub.

[hawkeyecub]

Brian Randle is a class act and a great human being. Was glad to see the reaction he got last night. Was a little worried people wouldn't show him the respect he deserved.

Yeah. I am sure he will do well with whatever he chooses to do. I feel for the kid, he was an NBA player, but injuries sapped a lot of that from him.

 

Injuries don't have anything to do with intelligence, though. He was easily one of the most frustrating players I've ever witnessed. That being said, I'm glad he didn't get booed. That would've been the definition of classless.

 

12:30 on a Friday afternoon and I've never been more interested in a Drake-Indiana State game. God I love March.

Lol. I am not going to argue with you on the frustrating part, but I think he graduated with a 4.0

 

Yeah he's definitely a smart kid.

 

Apparently that kind of intelligence didn't translate to knowing how to stay out of foul trouble by not committing an abundance of dumb fouls.

Or maybe his injuries to his groin really sapped his lateral quickness causing him to have to use his hands more on defense. Naw that can't be it. He is just too dumb to play defense. :roll:

 

So you can't adjust to your own limitations? How do slower, less athletic guys play defense?

 

I have nothing against the dude (besides hearing for four years how great he was going to be). I have two Illini friends who complain about his foul trouble. Then every time I watch them he seems to always pick up a reach-in 40+ feet from the hoop.

[Jon]

You're right he did make body contact. But there's body contact underneath on probably 75% of all blocks. When you are completely vertical, get all ball and the only contact isn't hard and is that low, that's just not a foul. If anything that's a jump ball. And considering they called a jump about 13 times in that game, it would have been fitting.

There's a reason that basically everyone besides UCLA fans are saying it was a bad call and it's getting so much pub.

The replay after the first x-mo replay pretty clearly shows that he wasn't going straight up. Had the defender not jumped out to meet Collison, it never would have been a foul. It wasn't even necessary since he did it at the last second.

 

I'm surprised they called it, but it's technically a foul, so I don't have a problem with it.

[Guest]

Thank you Oregon State and Arizona State for not blowing OSU's perfect season. 0-18 in Pac-10 play and the first team ever to go winless in Pac-10 play. Outstanding.

[snoodmonger]

Pac-10 really wants UCLA to get that one seed

[Guest]

Pac-10 really wants UCLA to get that one seed

 

Gotta save some of that luck for the tourney. :? Just strange.

[abuck1220]

Pac-10 really wants UCLA to get that one seed

 

heh...that's the first thing i thought too. ridiculous.

[Flames24Rulz]

Not one bad call, not two bad calls, but three bad calls in the final 15 seconds? How is that even possible?