College Basketball 2007-2008

[fromthestretch]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

i'm not certain, but i think the tiebreaker in that case would be their record against the top four teams. basically, whoever has the better combined record against IU, PU, MSU and WISC.

 

and does the #1 seed always face the 6 vs. 11 winner, or do they reorder so they play lowest surviving seed?

 

Is the tie-breaker overall record or head-to-head? If it's head-to-head, Purdue would be the #1 seed, since they beat Wisconsin twice this season.

 

Right, Purdue is the #1 seed unless Wisconsin wins the league outright. Minnesota would win the tiebreaker then with OSU because they had the fortune to only lose to Wisconsin and Purdue once each (easiest schedule in the conference this year). That assumes they finish tied of course.

 

Just hope the Boilers don't piss it away tonight at Ohio State.

[Derwood]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

i'm not certain, but i think the tiebreaker in that case would be their record against the top four teams. basically, whoever has the better combined record against IU, PU, MSU and WISC.

 

and does the #1 seed always face the 6 vs. 11 winner, or do they reorder so they play lowest surviving seed?

 

The 1 seed always faces the 8-9 winner (which right now would be Michigan/Iowa). 2 seed faces 7/10 winner (PSU/Illinois), 3 seed faces 6/11 winner. Tiebreaker after head-to-head is record vs. best teams in the conference. So, it would be record vs. Wisconsin, then Purdue, then IU, then MSU, and on down.

 

seems dumb that your 3 seed could potentially face the 11 seed while the 1 seed is facing the 8, but whatever

[bukie]

seems dumb that your 3 seed could potentially face the 11 seed while the 1 seed is facing the 8, but whatever

 

Well, that's how it works in the NCAA tournament also, just standard bracketing. Really, especially in this conference this year, there's little difference between even the 6 and the 11...well, 10 seeds.

[Derwood]

seems dumb that your 3 seed could potentially face the 11 seed while the 1 seed is facing the 8, but whatever

 

Well, that's how it works in the NCAA tournament also, just standard bracketing. Really, especially in this conference this year, there's little difference between even the 6 and the 11...well, 10 seeds.

 

i like reseeding tournaments a la the NFL personally. that wouldn't work in the NCAA's, of course, due to the multiple locations of the first rounds

[Exile on Waveland]

seems dumb that your 3 seed could potentially face the 11 seed while the 1 seed is facing the 8, but whatever

 

Well, that's how it works in the NCAA tournament also, just standard bracketing. Really, especially in this conference this year, there's little difference between even the 6 and the 11...well, 10 seeds.

 

I'm not sure any conference tournament (at least the majors) works differently. As you said, so does the NCAA tournament. So do the NBA Playoffs. This is pretty much standard operating procedure for tournaments.

 

It depends on who gets the six seed. Ohio State is pretty clearly superior to the teams below; Minnesota is just marginally better.

[Exile on Waveland]

assuming Ohio State and Minnesota finish with the same conference record, how do they determine who gets the first round bye? they are 1-1 head-to-head.

 

if the Big 10 were to end today, Wisconsin would be the #1, Purdue #2, Indiana #3, MSU #4 and OSU/MINN #5/#6.

 

First round matchups would see OSU/MINN vs. Northwestern, PSU vs. UofI and Iowa vs. Michigan and a guaranteed second round matchup of MSU vs. OSU/MINN

i'm not certain, but i think the tiebreaker in that case would be their record against the top four teams. basically, whoever has the better combined record against IU, PU, MSU and WISC.

 

and does the #1 seed always face the 6 vs. 11 winner, or do they reorder so they play lowest surviving seed?

 

Is the tie-breaker overall record or head-to-head? If it's head-to-head, Purdue would be the #1 seed, since they beat Wisconsin twice this season.

 

Right, Purdue is the #1 seed unless Wisconsin wins the league outright. Minnesota would win the tiebreaker then with OSU because they had the fortune to only lose to Wisconsin and Purdue once each (easiest schedule in the conference this year). That assumes they finish tied of course.

 

Just hope the Boilers don't piss it away tonight at Ohio State.

 

I've thought for awhile that Ohio State would get this game, but I also thought they would beat Wisconsin last week.

[Guest]

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

 

UNC, UCLA, Memphis and Tennessee are 1 seeds. Xavier, KU, Duke and Texas as 2 seeds. 7 from the Big East, 6 from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10.

 

2 seed in the west? no thanks.

 

Of those 2 seeds, KU easily scares me the most. And that's despite the fact that a similar UCLA team beat a similar KU team last year in the Elite 8. I would rather draw Texas though. Revenge! :twisted:

 

Of course there's still a lot of work to be done for UCLA to get the 1 seed and stay out west...starting with the big Stanford game on Thursday.

[bukie]

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology

 

UNC, UCLA, Memphis and Tennessee are 1 seeds. Xavier, KU, Duke and Texas as 2 seeds. 7 from the Big East, 6 from the ACC, Big 12 and Pac-10.

 

2 seed in the west? no thanks.

 

Of those 2 seeds, KU easily scares me the most. And that's despite the fact that a similar UCLA team beat a similar KU team last year in the Elite 8. I would rather draw Texas though. Revenge! :twisted:

 

Of course there's still a lot of work to be done for UCLA to get the 1 seed and stay out west...starting with the big Stanford game on Thursday.

 

I'd say of those, Tennessee would be the weakest 1 seed, with KU the strongest 2 seed. There's a large efficiency gap between KU and Texas, despite how similar their profiles look.

[Productive Outs]

personally, i don't see how lunardi has Florida in but Kentucky out. i'm a UK homer, but...

 

RPI

Kentucky: 52 (lunardi said on espn a week or so ago that Kentucky's RPI since the start of conference play was in the top 10, which is not surprising considering UK's RPI before conference play started was 200+)

Florida: 59

 

SOS

Kentucky: 10

Florida: 103

 

i think Florida has to beat Tennessee tomorrow night. if they lose that game, and then lose @ UK on senior night, they'll be 8-8 in the conference, with a 21-11 overall record. likewise, i think UK has to beat USC and UF, and win a game in the SECT. if UK wins the next two games, that will give them the 2 seed in the SECT, which has a bye.

 

it's gonna be real hard for UK without patterson. they really gave the Tennessee game away on sunday. completely fell apart toward the end of the game.

[Guest]

I'm not sure any conference tournament (at least the majors) works differently. As you said, so does the NCAA tournament. So do the NBA Playoffs. This is pretty much standard operating procedure for tournaments.

 

I don't expect anyone who doesn't follow the conference to know this but the Big West Conference reseeds the teams so the highest seeded team plays the lowest seeded team in each round. But, at least to me, the BWC is weird because the top 2 seeds receive byes to the semifinals. First round is 5 v 8 and 6 v 7. The 3 and 4 teams don't play until the quarters and 1 and 2 don't play until the semifinals.

[ISUCubsFan]

I'm not sure any conference tournament (at least the majors) works differently. As you said, so does the NCAA tournament. So do the NBA Playoffs. This is pretty much standard operating procedure for tournaments.

 

I don't expect anyone who doesn't follow the conference to know this but the Big West Conference reseeds the teams so the highest seeded team plays the lowest seeded team in each round. But, at least to me, the BWC is weird because the top 2 seeds receive byes to the semifinals. First round is 5 v 8 and 6 v 7. The 3 and 4 teams don't play until the quarters and 1 and 2 don't play until the semifinals.

 

I know the West Coast Conference has the same structure as this (1 and 2 play in the semis, 3 and 4 play in the quarters), but they don't re-seed. The Big Sky and Northeast Conferences (and maybe more) re-seed after the first round though.

[SouthSideRyan]

it's gonna be real hard for UK without patterson.

 

That's why UK is out and FL is in. Pomeroy likes FL better as well.

 

Regarding Big Ten Tourney, I'd prefer a Penn St.-IU path to the semis. Problem is we probably play our way into the 9 seed and get stuck playing Wisky with a win.

[loukycub]

if it's close kentucky is not getting in. you had best hope that in a choice between uk and another team, the gap is so wide, los angeles looks like a suburb of new york. uk has three factors against them:

1. gardiner-webb at rupp

2. san diego at rupp

3. at vanderbilt

 

all losing patterson did was just make gettting getting in harder. in my opinion, you weren't getting in anyway.

 

and that's college basketball observer talking, not louisville fan.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm not sure any conference tournament (at least the majors) works differently. As you said, so does the NCAA tournament. So do the NBA Playoffs. This is pretty much standard operating procedure for tournaments.

 

I don't expect anyone who doesn't follow the conference to know this but the Big West Conference reseeds the teams so the highest seeded team plays the lowest seeded team in each round. But, at least to me, the BWC is weird because the top 2 seeds receive byes to the semifinals. First round is 5 v 8 and 6 v 7. The 3 and 4 teams don't play until the quarters and 1 and 2 don't play until the semifinals.

 

I thought some smaller conferences did reseed, but wasn't sure which ones.

[SouthSideRyan]

if it's close kentucky is not getting in. you had best hope that in a choice between uk and another team, the gap is so wide, los angeles looks like a suburb of new york. uk has three factors against them:

1. gardiner-webb at rupp

2. san diego at rupp

3. at vanderbilt

 

all losing patterson did was just make gettting getting in harder. in my opinion, you weren't getting in anyway.

 

and that's college basketball observer talking, not louisville fan.

 

Not sure why you're counting the loss at Vandy against them. Losses at Houston, and against UAB are easily worse than that. Vandy's a tourney team.

[Magnetic Curses]

a forgotten little gem from the man on the moon.

 

 

God bless that boy.

[reggiemiller rules]

if it's close kentucky is not getting in. you had best hope that in a choice between uk and another team, the gap is so wide, los angeles looks like a suburb of new york. uk has three factors against them:

1. gardiner-webb at rupp

2. san diego at rupp

3. at vanderbilt

 

all losing patterson did was just make gettting getting in harder. in my opinion, you weren't getting in anyway.

 

and that's college basketball observer talking, not louisville fan.

 

Not sure why you're counting the loss at Vandy against them. Losses at Houston, and against UAB are easily worse than that. Vandy's a tourney team.

 

Yeah but losing by 40 to Vandy hurts them.

[Flames24Rulz]

if it's close kentucky is not getting in. you had best hope that in a choice between uk and another team, the gap is so wide, los angeles looks like a suburb of new york. uk has three factors against them:

1. gardiner-webb at rupp

2. san diego at rupp

3. at vanderbilt

 

all losing patterson did was just make gettting getting in harder. in my opinion, you weren't getting in anyway.

 

and that's college basketball observer talking, not louisville fan.

 

Not sure why you're counting the loss at Vandy against them. Losses at Houston, and against UAB are easily worse than that. Vandy's a tourney team.

 

It's not just that they lost to Vandy, but in the fashion that they lost to them.

[loukycub]

if it's close kentucky is not getting in. you had best hope that in a choice between uk and another team, the gap is so wide, los angeles looks like a suburb of new york. uk has three factors against them:

1. gardiner-webb at rupp

2. san diego at rupp

3. at vanderbilt

 

all losing patterson did was just make gettting getting in harder. in my opinion, you weren't getting in anyway.

 

and that's college basketball observer talking, not louisville fan.

 

Not sure why you're counting the loss at Vandy against them. Losses at Houston, and against UAB are easily worse than that. Vandy's a tourney team.

 

It's not just that they lost to Vandy, but in the fashion that they lost to them.

 

exactly. losing to vanderbilt by 5 in nashville is one thing. getting smoked by vandy by 41 points at the end of the year is something completely significant. that's why i said that the gap betweeen kentucky and the next team needs to be very large. things like losing by 41 points is not going to help matters any if its close. we have a local sports host who works some espn college broadcasts. he is privy to some of the information that the selection committee uses to choose the other 34 teams. he said that the selection committee doesn't make cases FOR teams, they make cases AGAINST teams. it may not be fair, but losses to gardiner-webb, san diego and by 41 points at vandy are going to make a strong case against.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah, I misread that score when I went to check the game. I may have even laughed at UK in this thread over that game. Whoops.

[SouthSideRyan]

Not every day you look at the scoreboard and see Vandy 55, Kentucky 14.

 

Hahahhaha.

 

EDIT: Sorry UK fans, I don't even particularly dislike UK, besides the obvious history with Rupp, but scores like that always make me laugh.

 

Vandy still isn't very good.

 

Yep.

[bukie]

Ohio State-Purdue tied at 62 with a minute to play.

[Productive Outs]

it's obviously an uphill battle, but i really think kentucky will get in if they win three more games. then again, i can't take the blue sunglasses off. injuries have really killed this year. they wouldn't have been great, but i don't think they would have been close to the bubble if everyone was healthy.

 

@ loukycub: louisville is playing like a top 10 team right now. how do you feel about the georgetown game on saturday?

[Flames24Rulz]

This is a joke. Ohio State's going to make the tournament because they beat a Purdue team that isn't that great.

 

Boy the Big 10 blows this year.

[bukie]

This is a joke. Ohio State's going to make the tournament because they beat a Purdue team that isn't that great.

 

Boy the Big 10 blows this year.

 

The conference is bad, but Purdue is the best team Ohio State has beaten this year if they hold on, easily. Purdue has played like a top-20 team, especially since January.