College Basketball 2007-2008

[Keener98]

I'm hearing Sampson's gone. Paid through the end of the month, nothing more.

 

That would be fine by me. I don't mind if IU sticks with him throughout the process and see where it leads, but if he's let go today I wouldn't mind that either.

 

The question becomes who would coach the team though. If Sampson is fired, Meyer has to be fired as well.

 

I hear there is an ex IU coach available :pig:

[TruffleShuffle]

sampson lied to ncaa investigators, that's where the major infraction was. and this wasn't alleged to be 10 3-way calls; the report refers to about 100 calls that may have been impermissible.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm hearing Sampson's gone. Paid through the end of the month, nothing more.

 

That would be fine by me. I don't mind if IU sticks with him throughout the process and see where it leads, but if he's let go today I wouldn't mind that either.

 

The question becomes who would coach the team though. If Sampson is fired, Meyer has to be fired as well.

 

Neither Dan Dakich nor Ray McCallum was named and both have been head coaches before in college. Dakich, of course, even played at IU. So both would be solid options, all things considered.

 

Sampson should be fired posthaste. If he's not, it just proves IU cares more about winning than ethics. Then, IU is clearly complicit in Sampson's actions (as of now, the NCAA report implies that they weren't, besides hiring him in the first place). Sampson must go. He never, ever should have been hired. IU's administration is awful.

[SouthSideRyan]

Take what I said with a grain of salt, I'm not hearing that from anybody beyond one guy.

[soapy]

I'm hearing Sampson's gone. Paid through the end of the month, nothing more.

i doubt that, but i hope so. unfortunately, i assume this will drag out through the end of the season.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm hearing Sampson's gone. Paid through the end of the month, nothing more.

 

That would be fine by me. I don't mind if IU sticks with him throughout the process and see where it leads, but if he's let go today I wouldn't mind that either.

 

The question becomes who would coach the team though. If Sampson is fired, Meyer has to be fired as well.

 

I hear there is an ex IU coach available :pig:

 

Well, part of the reason said coach was hired in the first place was a cleanup job. IU football got in trouble in the 50's and 60's and then-President Herman B. Wells was so embarrassed he vowed never to let that happen again. IU was worried the basketball program under Lou Watson was headed for the same fate. Enter Coach Knight.

 

But, yeah, :pig:.

[CubColtPacer]

sampson lied to ncaa investigators, that's where the major infraction was. and this wasn't alleged to be 10 3-way calls; the report refers to about 100 calls that may have been impermissible.

 

Yeah, I understand about the 100 calls. Those aren't nearly as serious in my mind. 1) None of them involve Sampson. 2) The person who made most of those calls has been already forced to resign. 3) The reason the calls ballooned to that many is that the other members of the staff did not realize that Senderhoff was making illegal calls from home. That meant that every call that was made legally from the office that went over the limit because of the illegal calls had to be counted.

 

I think the NCAA will accept the Senderhoff resignation in that part of the process. The main things are the 3 way calls, the small gift to Elston, and probably the biggest part that Sampson was found to be lying.

[WindyCity]

ESPN's reporting that IU potentially faces major violations. They are also reporting that the NCAA has discovered new information -- which should be the only way major violations is even discussed. If so, I hope Sampson, Greenspan and every other myopic imbecile that had a hand in Sampson's hiring is unceremoniously fired.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243325

 

Oh, and that Kentucky team which is so terrible is still 6-3 in the SEC. The SEC is garbage.

 

It sure is stunning that a man who's previously shown a lack of ethics and regard for fair play would in fact get caught for continuing to exhibit that behavior.

 

I hope that scum bag has a hard time getting a job coaching a rec league team.

[fiver]

sampson lied to ncaa investigators, that's where the major infraction was. and this wasn't alleged to be 10 3-way calls; the report refers to about 100 calls that may have been impermissible.

 

Yeah, I understand about the 100 calls. Those aren't nearly as serious in my mind. 1) None of them involve Sampson. 2) The person who made most of those calls has been already forced to resign. 3) The reason the calls ballooned to that many is that the other members of the staff did not realize that Senderhoff was making illegal calls from home. That meant that every call that was made legally from the office that went over the limit because of the illegal calls had to be counted.

 

I think the NCAA will accept the Senderhoff resignation in that part of the process. The main things are the 3 way calls, the small gift to Elston, and probably the biggest part that Sampson was found to be lying.

 

Agree...We're really going to have to wait for IU's response before speculating too much further, but if everything in the report is true, my initial thought is that Sampson will fired, IU will be docked additional scholarships, but postseason play won't be a part of further sanctions.

[bukie]

Up-to-date Pomeroy ratings:

http://kenpom.com/rate.php

 

Check out which two teams stick out like sore thumbs in that rating.

[SouthSideRyan]

Up-to-date Pomeroy ratings:

http://kenpom.com/rate.php

 

Check out which two teams stick out like sore thumbs in that rating.

 

#2 schedule + #341 luck = much better than their record. Not top 35 like Pomeroy says, but I wouldn't want to face this team in the Big Ten Tourney.

[Guest]

I'm surprised the NCAA had enough time in their busy schedule to investigate Sampson. What about the real issues like OJ Mayo getting Lakers tickets from a long time friend or Kevin Love and family have dinner with Coach Wooden? :roll:

[da bears]

Up-to-date Pomeroy ratings:

http://kenpom.com/rate.php

 

Check out which two teams stick out like sore thumbs in that rating.

 

#2 schedule + #341 luck = much better than their record. Not top 35 like Pomeroy says, but I wouldn't want to face this team in the Big Ten Tourney.

 

Pffft, Mizzou 30th. Yeah okay. :roll:

[Andy]

Pomeroy must love the Big East or something - 7 teams from the league in his top 26.

 

As for the IU situation, hire Ray McCallum! :D

[Sosa21MVP]

sampson lied to ncaa investigators, that's where the major infraction was. and this wasn't alleged to be 10 3-way calls; the report refers to about 100 calls that may have been impermissible.

 

My understanding is that Sampson lied to IU officials and the investigators that IU hired. I don't believe the NCAA has spoken to him personally yet. Not that it matters, in either case he looks equally bad. *edit* - I reread the report and he lied to both parties. Great. :roll:

 

The 100 calls are the calls that Rob Senderhoff made. Sampson did not make those calls. Although Sampson is by default taking the blame for all of this as the NCAA is accusing him of not establishing an environment of compliance...and I don't think they believe he lacked knowledge of what Senderhoff was doing.

 

In any case, fire Sampson. I feel like a dope for giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Edited February 13, 2008 by Sosa21MVP

[Exile on Waveland]

Pomeroy must love the Big East or something - 7 teams from the league in his top 26.

 

As for the IU situation, hire Ray McCallum! :D

 

The Big East is really good. I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise (though with annexing teams to get to 16 overall, it should be).

 

I'd much prefer Dakich as interim to McCallum if it comes to that. Neither should be long-term options, though same goes for Davis. McCallum does come with his son, a point guard for Bloomington High School North that will likely be a top-30 or so prospect.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pomeroy must love the Big East or something - 7 teams from the league in his top 26.

 

As for the IU situation, hire Ray McCallum! :D

 

The Big East is really good. I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise (though with annexing teams to get to 16 overall, it should be).

 

I'd much prefer Dakich as interim to McCallum if it comes to that. Neither should be long-term options, though same goes for Davis. McCallum does come with his son, a point guard for Bloomington High School North that will likely be a top-30 or so prospect.

 

I'd think after this, that IU wouldn't be worried about hiring a coach based on their ability to score a prospect. Dakich would be fine by me.

 

Re: Big East, you touched on it, having so many teams in a BCS conference makes it tough not to have a bunch of top teams. It also makes it tough not to have a bunch of bottom teams as well. Counting up the # of top (whatever # fits your criteria) teams and going off of that is misleading. The Big East has more terrible teams than any other conference too.

[Exile on Waveland]

Pomeroy must love the Big East or something - 7 teams from the league in his top 26.

 

As for the IU situation, hire Ray McCallum! :D

 

The Big East is really good. I don't think anyone has ever said otherwise (though with annexing teams to get to 16 overall, it should be).

 

I'd much prefer Dakich as interim to McCallum if it comes to that. Neither should be long-term options, though same goes for Davis. McCallum does come with his son, a point guard for Bloomington High School North that will likely be a top-30 or so prospect.

 

I'd think after this, that IU wouldn't be worried about hiring a coach based on their ability to score a prospect. Dakich would be fine by me.

 

Re: Big East, you touched on it, having so many teams in a BCS conference makes it tough not to have a bunch of top teams. It also makes it tough not to have a bunch of bottom teams as well. Counting up the # of top (whatever # fits your criteria) teams and going off of that is misleading. The Big East has some more terrible teams than any other conference too.

 

Oh, I was by no means saying IU should hire McCallum to get his son. Not a chance. That was meant as an aside/joke; it's time for IU to get an ethical, competent coach. Another Bob Knight hire.

 

The Big East is a difficult conference to rank. Of course, there are many top teams. It's huge, with many big-name programs. But it also has a lot more bad teams than others because of its size. I would imagine they'll do quite well in the tournament.

[bukie]

I don't mean to sound like a homer, but Illinois actually has a decent chance to win out. Their remaining games are home vs. MSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and road vs. Iowa, Michigan, Penn State. Compared to their schedule thus far (@MSU, @Wisc, 2 vs IU, 2 vs. PU, 2 vs. OSU, @Minn, Mich, NU, PSU), that seems significantly easier.

 

Granted, they'll likely lose half those by less than 10 points, just because of their Memphis-like FT shooting.

[shnsajax]

sampson lied to ncaa investigators, that's where the major infraction was. and this wasn't alleged to be 10 3-way calls; the report refers to about 100 calls that may have been impermissible.

 

My understanding is that Sampson lied to IU officials and the investigators that IU hired. I don't believe the NCAA has spoken to him personally yet. Not that it matters, in either case he looks equally bad. *edit* - I reread the report and he lied to both parties. Great. :roll:

 

The 100 calls are the calls that Rob Senderhoff made. Sampson did not make those calls. Although Sampson is by default taking the blame for all of this as the NCAA is accusing him of not establishing an environment of compliance...and I don't think they believe he lacked knowledge of what Senderhoff was doing.

 

In any case, fire Sampson. I feel like a dope for giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.

 

IU should prepare for Sampson the same way Californian's prepare for an earthquake. You know its coming, you don't know how big or bad its going to be, but you do know there will be some destruction and a lot of clean up afterwards.

[jaydee]

what kind of sanctions is IU gonna face? :D

[Andy]

Who is so terrible in the Big East? St. John's, Rutgers, DePaul and USF have losing records overall. I don't think I'd call any of the other 12 teams bad, and even St. John's and DePaul have their merits. I'd say, by way of comparison, everyone behind Minnesota in the Big Ten (5 teams) is plain bad, and there are 5 SEC teams (Carolina, Georgia, Auburn, Bama, LSU) that are pretty awful too. The great thing about the Big East is exactly that there are hardly any gimmes, other than USF and Rutgers away from the RAC.

 

I'd say the same about the Pac-10...other than Oregon State, there isn't a bad team to be found. Hell, Washington's 9th and they just beat UCLA.

[fiver]

what kind of sanctions is IU gonna face? :D

 

additional loss of scholarship and/or post season ineligiblity

[brinoch]

what kind of sanctions is IU gonna face? :D

 

additional loss of scholarship and/or post season ineligiblity

 

Depends on how they handle Sampson. My guess is that they fire Sampson at the end of the season.

[fiver]

what kind of sanctions is IU gonna face? :D

 

additional loss of scholarship and/or post season ineligiblity

 

Depends on how they handle Sampson. My guess is that they fire Sampson at the end of the season.

 

correct :beg: I'm hoping they do fire Sampson and are thus spared post season eligiblity