The Kobe thread (Formerly Kobe to be traded by Oct 30)

[Banedon]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Not true..we still got Big White and Bad..Aaron Gray

 

Woot!

 

yeah, i meant the bulls would have no center (without Wallace), not the Lakers

 

Can Noah play center?

[USSoccer]

 

yeah, i meant the bulls would have no center (without Wallace), not the Lakers

 

Well, if you consider Wallace a C, then Noah would probably be able to step in and play that role, albiet with an initial dropoff in defensive ability.

 

I would make that tradeoff, though. Between Noah and Joe Smith, and depending on PJ Brown, you should be able to deal with the frontcourt ok.

[MidoreX]

 

yeah, i meant the bulls would have no center (without Wallace), not the Lakers

 

Well, if you consider Wallace a C, then Noah would probably be able to step in and play that role, albiet with an initial dropoff in defensive ability.

 

I would make that tradeoff, though. Between Noah and Joe Smith, and depending on PJ Brown, you should be able to deal with the frontcourt ok.

 

Tyrus's ridiculous vertical abilities help down low too... although he doesn't have the size to deal with true centers yet.

[USSoccer]

 

yeah, i meant the bulls would have no center (without Wallace), not the Lakers

 

Well, if you consider Wallace a C, then Noah would probably be able to step in and play that role, albiet with an initial dropoff in defensive ability.

 

I would make that tradeoff, though. Between Noah and Joe Smith, and depending on PJ Brown, you should be able to deal with the frontcourt ok.

 

Tyrus's ridiculous vertical abilities help down low too... although he doesn't have the size to deal with true centers yet.

 

I'd assume we'd have to include Tyrus in a deal for Kobe.

[Soul]

 

yeah, i meant the bulls would have no center (without Wallace), not the Lakers

 

Well, if you consider Wallace a C, then Noah would probably be able to step in and play that role, albiet with an initial dropoff in defensive ability.

 

I would make that tradeoff, though. Between Noah and Joe Smith, and depending on PJ Brown, you should be able to deal with the frontcourt ok.

 

Tyrus's ridiculous vertical abilities help down low too... although he doesn't have the size to deal with true centers yet.

 

I'd assume we'd have to include Tyrus in a deal for Kobe.

 

Even if we offered up Deng?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Not true..we still got Big White and Bad..Aaron Gray

 

Woot!

 

yeah, i meant the bulls would have no center (without Wallace), not the Lakers

 

Can Noah play center?

 

I don't know. But he can act like a tool and is ugly. Does that count?

[Banedon]

Can Noah play center?

 

I don't know. But he can act like a tool and is ugly. Does that count?

 

Acts like a tool, ugly, tall....if there's another requirement for being an NBA center, I don't know it.

[USSoccer]

 

Tyrus's ridiculous vertical abilities help down low too... although he doesn't have the size to deal with true centers yet.

 

I'd assume we'd have to include Tyrus in a deal for Kobe.

 

Even if we offered up Deng?

 

I'd plan on it. I wouldn't let Thomas break the deal.

[SouthSideRyan]

Can Noah play center?

 

I don't know. But he can act like a tool and is ugly. Does that count?

 

Acts like a tool, ugly, tall....if there's another requirement for being an NBA center, I don't know it.

 

He's really quite ugly. He's lucky Hawes is injured right now or I'd probably be harping about how nice it would be to have a legit center right now. Then again I'm not the type to harp on who I think the Bulls should've drafted in place of who they actually took.

[bukie]

Can Noah play center?

 

I don't know. But he can act like a tool and is ugly. Does that count?

 

Acts like a tool, ugly, tall....if there's another requirement for being an NBA center, I don't know it.

 

He's really quite ugly. He's lucky Hawes is injured right now or I'd probably be harping about how nice it would be to have a legit center right now. Then again I'm not the type to harp on who I think the Bulls should've drafted in place of who they actually took.

 

You would've preferred Hawes to Noah? There were some better prospects in the draft than Noah, but I don't think Hawes was one of them. Really, considering who was available, Noah was the best pick there. Heck, some analysts had Gray over Hawes, so the Bulls do have a Hawes-type.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Can Noah play center?

 

I don't know. But he can act like a tool and is ugly. Does that count?

 

Acts like a tool, ugly, tall....if there's another requirement for being an NBA center, I don't know it.

 

He's really quite ugly. He's lucky Hawes is injured right now or I'd probably be harping about how nice it would be to have a legit center right now. Then again I'm not the type to harp on who I think the Bulls should've drafted in place of who they actually took.

 

You would've preferred Hawes to Noah? There were some better prospects in the draft than Noah, but I don't think Hawes was one of them. Really, considering who was available, Noah was the best pick there. Heck, some analysts had Gray over Hawes, so the Bulls do have a Hawes-type.

 

Who? If they did it was waaaaay before the draft

[Keener98]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Well its a possibility that Wallace isnt starting at center on opening night. There have been reports Aaron Gray will start at center with Wallace at the 4.

[SouthSideRyan]

Aaron Gray is only similar to Hawes in that he's tall, white, and has a bad haircut.(Actually just assuming Hawes has a bad haircut cause he's 7 feet tall) Aaron Gray shouldn't see a minute all year. He's brutal.

 

I wasn't that enamored with Hawes, but I was determined to get a big, and Hawes was the best on the board IMO. It would've been hard for the Bulls to find 2 guys I hated more in the draft beyond Noah and Gray.

[bukie]

Who? If they did it was waaaaay before the draft

 

John Hollinger's Draft Evaluation System.

 

2007 Draft: Top 30 rated collegians

NO. PLAYER SCHOOL SCORE CHAD FORD'S RANKING

1. Kevin Durant Texas 870.7 2

2. Greg Oden Ohio State 667.9 1

3. Mike Conley Jr. Ohio State 637.9 7

4. Thaddeus Young Georgia Tech 604.2 14

5. Brandan Wright North Carolina 601.4 8

6. Al Horford Florida 601.0 3

7. Nick Fazekas Nevada 594.3 35

8. Josh McRoberts Duke 566.7 26

9. Rodney Stuckey E. Washington 557.7 16

10. Jared Dudley Boston College 542.6 31

11. Joakim Noah Florida 528.6 9

12. Glen Davis LSU 521.0 25

13. Sean Williams Boston College 511.3 20

14. Jeff Green Georgetown 505.5 6

15. Kyle Visser Wake Forest 503.5 57

16. Herbert Hill Providence 503.0 49

17. Javaris Crittenton Georgia Tech 492.2 18

18. Wilson Chandler DePaul 483.1 30

19. Julian Wright Kansas 481.4 11

20. Daequan Cook Ohio State 470.0 27

21. D.J. Strawberry Maryland 465.5 52

22. Jason Smith Colorado State 464.9 17

23. Alando Tucker Wisconsin 464.3 41

24. Corey Brewer Florida 462.4 5

25. Al Thornton Florida State 447.8 10

26. Marcus Williams Arizona 445.8 33

27. Acie Law Texas A&M 445.2 15

28. Aaron Gray Pittsburgh 440.5 38

29. Zabian Dowdell Virginia Tech 438.2 34

30. Spencer Hawes Washington 433.9 12

 

So, on second thought, the Bulls should've drafted Fazekas if they were drafting for need. :)

Edited October 23, 2007 by bukie

[USSoccer]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Well its a possibility that Wallace isnt starting at center on opening night. There have been reports Aaron Gray will start at center with Wallace at the 4.

 

Forgive my ignorance, but Aaron Gray smacks of stiff white guy. Is this accurate?

[SouthSideRyan]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Well its a possibility that Wallace isnt starting at center on opening night. There have been reports Aaron Gray will start at center with Wallace at the 4.

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Keener98]

Aaron Gray is only similar to Hawes in that he's tall, white, and has a bad haircut.(Actually just assuming Hawes has a bad haircut cause he's 7 feet tall) Aaron Gray shouldn't see a minute all year. He's brutal.

 

I wasn't that enamored with Hawes, but I was determined to get a big, and Hawes was the best on the board IMO. It would've been hard for the Bulls to find 2 guys I hated more in the draft beyond Noah and Gray.

 

Gray has had a pretty good preseason, and has shown an ability to score points. Hes going to see minutes this year, and like I said earlier, he may be starting opening night.

[SouthSideRyan]

I usually like Hollinger, but those rankings look wacky.

[Keener98]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Well its a possibility that Wallace isnt starting at center on opening night. There have been reports Aaron Gray will start at center with Wallace at the 4.

 

Forgive my ignorance, but Aaron Gray smacks of stiff white guy. Is this accurate?

 

His D and quickness are lacking, but hes shown an ability to put up points in the preseason. Skiles is basically thinking of starting him so they can get the post game involved right off the bat. Not saying its a good idea, but its a possibility.

[USSoccer]

Forgive my ignorance, but Aaron Gray smacks of stiff white guy. Is this accurate?

 

His D and quickness are lacking, but hes shown an ability to put up points in the preseason. Skiles is basically thinking of starting him so they can get the post game involved right off the bat. Not saying its a good idea, but its a possibility.

 

I guess, if he thinks that going down to Gray early is going to open up lanes for Deng, Noc, Gordon and Kirk.

[SouthSideRyan]

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/gray5_071011.jpg

 

Jean Shorts. Must I smear further?

[bukie]

I usually like Hollinger, but those rankings look wacky.

 

Looking at how his rankings turned out over the last 5 years, though, it's uncanny how well they've worked out. Basically, with that metric, anyone over 500 score should be considered a solid contributor. The only misses he's had over the last 5 years are Michael Sweetney (who was a monster in college but succumbed to weight problems) and Jay Williams (unforeseen accident).

 

It's an Insider article, otherwise I'd link it.

[wolf stansson]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

Ben Wallace's contract is awful, awful, awful and again, awful.

 

The way he is deteriorating he can't be classified as a center anymore anyway. We involve him and LA gets a legit name in the package to spice it up, someone to (theoretically) guard Stat, Duncan, Boozer, Brand and other big dudes, we'd get rid of his dumb contract, also including BW is the only way to get the $ to match up without having to send ridiculous amounts of cash to LA and paying a HUGE luxury tax.

 

By the way everyone, PJ Brown is not a Bull. He is an UFA.

[USSoccer]

Ben Wallace's contract is awful, awful, awful and again, awful.

 

The way he is deteriorating he can't be classified as a center anymore anyway. We involve him and LA gets a legit name in the package to spice it up, someone to (theoretically) guard Stat, Duncan, Boozer, Brand and other big dudes, we'd get rid of his dumb contract, also including BW is the only way to get the $ to match up without having to send ridiculous amounts of cash to LA and paying a HUGE luxury tax.

 

By the way everyone, PJ Brown is not a Bull. He is an UFA.

 

-I thought as much regarding Brown.

 

-Wallace sucks, and his contract sucks harder. They should have kept Chandler if they wanted an offensive liability in the frontcourt, and if we are players for Bryant, he absolutely has to be included in the deal.

[Derwood]

Gray at C, Wallace at PF and Thomas on the bench would be maddening