Why are people in such a hurry to get Theriot out of town?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I could understand if we stood to aquire A-Rod or Tejada, then by all mean move him.

 

However, other then that, hes doing just fine. Sure he slumped in the end, and sucked in the playoffs, as did his team mates, but give the guy a chance. He still stands to make next to league minimum the next few years, and hes got a great glove. If Tejada, A-Rod, or Renteria are in the horizons, then Theriot can become a bargaining chip. Otherwise, I dont see the point in looking high and low for a new short stop, when the issues that most need adressing are right field and another starting pitcher, preferable not named Steve Traschle.

[E.J.]

I don't get the love for Theriot. He's not a good player. He had one great month of July, but other than that he was absolutely awful. We're talking Neifi territory. He's a good utility guy, but he's not good enough to be a starter. Even if we don't upgrade we still should give Cedeno a decent shot at the starting job. He has a much higher ceiling than Theriot.

[Sammy Sofa]

Because now is likely the only time you could relatively "sell high" with him. Move him if a better SS is on the horizon and Cedeno is the backup. Done and done. Or vice-versa with Cedeno going if need be, but since Cedeno is younger and better defensively, might as well move Theriot.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Because now is likely the only time you could relatively "sell high" with him. Move him if a better SS is on the horizon and Cedeno is the backup. Done and done. Or vice-versa with Cedeno going if need be, but since Cedeno is younger and better defensively, might as well move Theriot.

 

This is the Cubs we're talking about. They dont believe in "selling high". They only move players too early or too late.

[Sammy Sofa]

Because now is likely the only time you could relatively "sell high" with him. Move him if a better SS is on the horizon and Cedeno is the backup. Done and done. Or vice-versa with Cedeno going if need be, but since Cedeno is younger and better defensively, might as well move Theriot.

 

This is the Cubs we're talking about. They dont believe in "selling high". They only move players too early or too late.

 

Which has what to do with our theoretical proposals? Because the Cubs aren't likely to do it, we can't talk about it?

[PrimeTime]

I cant beleive all the criticism towards theriot already and im not even a fan of him. but then Murton can do whatever he wants and suck half the time and we never seen a thread like this towards him.

[XZero771679666304]

I don't get the love for Theriot. He's not a good player. He had one great month of July, but other than that he was absolutely awful. We're talking Neifi territory. He's a good utility guy, but he's not good enough to be a starter. Even if we don't upgrade we still should give Cedeno a decent shot at the starting job. He has a much higher ceiling than Theriot.

 

You summed it up. Outside of July, he was Neifi Perez without the glove.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

because he sucks? I dunno

[Peoriaman]

I cant beleive all the criticism towards theriot already and im not even a fan of him. but then Murton can do whatever he wants and suck half the time and we never seen a thread like this towards him.

 

 

Murton, like Choi before him, was the golden child of this board. I have never quite figured out why either.

[CubinNY]

I cant beleive all the criticism towards theriot already and im not even a fan of him. but then Murton can do whatever he wants and suck half the time and we never seen a thread like this towards him.

 

 

Murton, like Choi before him, was the golden child of this board. I have never quite figured out why either.

 

Murton

G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+
51  140   19   45   3  2   7   14   2  1  16  22  .321  .386  .521  135
144  455   70  135  22  3  13   62   5  2  45  62  .297  .365  .444  103
94  235   35   66  13  0   8   22   1  0  26  39  .281  .352  .438  100

Theriot

G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+
53  134   34   44  11  3   3   16  13  2  17  18  .328  .412  .522  134
148  537   80  143  30  2   3   45  28  4  49  50  .266  .326  .346   72

You two do the Math. It is completely foolish to cast aspersions on the entire borad. But it is doubly so when the ignorance of the posts containing the statements are at such high levels.

[NewUserName]

I cant beleive all the criticism towards theriot already and im not even a fan of him. but then Murton can do whatever he wants and suck half the time and we never seen a thread like this towards him.

 

 

Its probably because the mainstream media already is doing a good enough job of trying to run Murton out of town, while trumpeting Theriot as the team "MVP". Also I have seen the statement that RF needs upgrades about 50 times since the offseason on this board. So I dont think you are completely correct with your statement.

[rawaction]

I'm typically viewed as one of the board majority, but I have clearly stated in several places that I would rather the Cubs upgrade RF than SS. I don't really want Murton or Theriot to start. Both are pretty good bench options, though. The offense as it stands can't afford to really have Murton and Theriot out there everyday. We know what Lee, Ramirez and Soriano are gonna do. DeRosa will be a slightly above league average player. But CF, RF, SS, and C are all question marks at this point in terms of what production you are gonna get. Theriot and Murton would do nothing but add to that if they were starting at SS and RF, respectively. If the Cubs can get Hawpe and Church in the OF with Soriano, then I'd be happy with Theriot at SS, hitting 8th. If the Cubs get ARod, I'd be happy with Murton in RF. The fact that more SS options are probably gonna be available for cheap and Theriot is not nearly as talented Murton, is why you don't see people wanting to get rid of Murton in comparison to Theriot. But if generalizations of the board floats your boat, then go for it.

[Vanilla Ice]

I cant beleive all the criticism towards theriot already and im not even a fan of him. but then Murton can do whatever he wants and suck half the time and we never seen a thread like this towards him.

 

 

Murton, like Choi before him, was the golden child of this board. I have never quite figured out why either.

 

Geovany Soto

[VVMattVV]

I cant beleive all the criticism towards theriot already and im not even a fan of him. but then Murton can do whatever he wants and suck half the time and we never seen a thread like this towards him.

 

Probably because Murton has a higher ceiling, way better minor league numbers while playing in those levels younger than Theriot, has outproduced Theriot at the major league level by quite a bit, etc. When Murton struggled there was good reason to believe he would rebound, but Theriot pretty much played at the level we all can expect from him. Simply put, Murton is a much better baseball player than Theriot. Thats why it always drives me nuts to see proposals of a new SS, Theriot to 2B, and DeRosa to RF.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why do people hate David Eckstein so much? Answer that question, then realize that Theriot is worse, and plays for us. And is blocking an arguably superior player in Cedeno.

[Derwood]

is LLF another joke account?

[UK1679666180]

I'm trying to figure out what would be wrong with supporting him, when what you had a declined McGriff and Karros as the competition at the time?

 

He deserved a shot, he wasn't going to be better than Lee as I said at the time, the Cubs had a chance to upgrade and they did.

 

It me cracks up when a couple of people go off on tangents on Choi and Dubois as if there was some quality players benched somehow becoming lesser players in front of better players.

 

Let me know how the careers of McGriff, Karros, and Hollandsworth were after they left the Cubs? Let me know if I'm missing something.

 

People want to see Soto b/c Blanco, Hill, and Kendall aren't good. People want to Pie b/c Jones and Pagan aren't that good. I want to see Cedeno given a shot at SS, hell mnake it an open competition b/c Theriot is not likely good enough as a 150 game a year SS.

 

:)

[inari]

is LLF another joke account?

 

I'm nearly positive that he is.

[dbeider]

I for one am all for an upgrade at SS, but the clamoring for Cedeno I just don't get. I have never been impressed with what he has shown at the ML level outside of a month or so a year ago.

 

Theriot is a good guy to have on the bench however. My guess is that he was part of a significant portion of the games that the Cubs came back late in. It did always seem that if they needed someone on, he found a way to get on.

 

To me that doesn't mean he should get 500+ AB's, but is valuable to have oin the team.

 

Cedeno, because he is younger, great, but I just have not been impressed. Hope I'm wrong.

[Abe Frohman]

Cedeno had his shot, a couple of times. To say he is superior to what Ryan Theriot did for the Cubs with his chances is ignoring the facts.

[Guest]

Cedeno had his shot, a couple of times. To say he is superior to what Ryan Theriot did for the Cubs with his chances is ignoring the facts.

 

Ronny is turning 25 this offseason while Theriot will turn 28. Theriot isn't going to get any better while Ronny's only significant playing time at the ML level came at the age of 23. He's much, much more likely to get better whereas Theriot isn't. Ronny had an OPS of .921 in 275 PA's in 2005 at 22 and an OPS of .959 in 327 PA's in 2007 at 24 in AAA. Theriot put up a .746 OPS in 312 AB's in 2006 at 26 in AAA. Neither could end up being good enough to be starters but Cedeno has a chance to be good enough to be a starter. Theriot isn't going to be more than a bench player.

[Guest]

I cant beleive all the criticism towards theriot already and im not even a fan of him. but then Murton can do whatever he wants and suck half the time and we never seen a thread like this towards him.

 

 

Murton, like Choi before him, was the golden child of this board. I have never quite figured out why either.

 

Murton

G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+
51  140   19   45   3  2   7   14   2  1  16  22  .321  .386  .521  135
144  455   70  135  22  3  13   62   5  2  45  62  .297  .365  .444  103
94  235   35   66  13  0   8   22   1  0  26  39  .281  .352  .438  100

Theriot

G   AB    R    H   2B 3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA   OBP   SLG *OPS+
53  134   34   44  11  3   3   16  13  2  17  18  .328  .412  .522  134
148  537   80  143  30  2   3   45  28  4  49  50  .266  .326  .346   72

You two do the Math. It is completely foolish to cast aspersions on the entire borad. But it is doubly so when the ignorance of the posts containing the statements are at such high levels.

 

And look at their minor league numbers as well. Murton >>>>>> Theriot.

[Tracer Bullet]

Cedeno had his shot, a couple of times. To say he is superior to what Ryan Theriot did for the Cubs with his chances is ignoring the facts.

 

Cedeno was 23 at the time, Theriot was 27 this year. To argue that Theriot's .672 OPS was a significant factor in any success we had this year, outside the one month that he was nay good, is not just ignoring facts, but making them up. Cedeno was really bad when he was 23 and really good in AAA when he was both 22 and 24. If the choice is Theriot, whose OPS at 27 was .672, or Cedeno who is not yet 25, the choice is obvious.

[David]

I don't understand how so many (actually, the vast majority of) people are willing to brush aside the success Ronny has had at AAA at a young age based on a bad year last year in the majors and a handful of AB's this year.

 

Nobody is denying that Ronny had a bad 2006 (at age 23) in the big leagues, but he has absolutely crushed AAA pitching for both of the last two years.

 

I'm not saying he's a great option, but I'd still rather see him play next year than Theriot if it's down to one or the other.

[SouthSideRyan]

At the age Ronny was having a horrible year in the majors, Theriot was slugging 296 in a split season between A and AA.