Why are people in such a hurry to get Theriot out of town?

[Bruno7481]

Ive asked this question a couple times in this thread to the Theriot supporters, and Im still yet to get an answer.

 

Were those of you who are supporting Theriot, happy with Cesar Izturis?

 

Probably not, but Ryan isn't making anything close to what Izturis was.

[Mizzou]

Ive asked this question a couple times in this thread to the Theriot supporters, and Im still yet to get an answer.

 

Were those of you who are supporting Theriot, happy with Cesar Izturis?

Supporting Theriot for what? Starter? Or starter over Cedeno, if given the choice between the two? I'm in the latter category. And no, I wasn't happy with Izturis. Why would anyone have been?

[Keener98]

Ive asked this question a couple times in this thread to the Theriot supporters, and Im still yet to get an answer.

 

Were those of you who are supporting Theriot, happy with Cesar Izturis?

Supporting Theriot for what? Starter? Or starter over Cedeno, if given the choice between the two? I'm in the latter category. And no, I wasn't happy with Izturis. Why would anyone have been?

 

Supporting Theriot as a starter, and saying he had a good year. Look at Izturis's numbers and look at Theriots they are identical. That is how bad Theriot was, he was on par with Cesar Izturis, but for some reason(see GRIT factor) people are saying Theriot had a good year, its really hard to believe.

[Mizzou]

Ive asked this question a couple times in this thread to the Theriot supporters, and Im still yet to get an answer.

 

Were those of you who are supporting Theriot, happy with Cesar Izturis?

Supporting Theriot for what? Starter? Or starter over Cedeno, if given the choice between the two? I'm in the latter category. And no, I wasn't happy with Izturis. Why would anyone have been?

 

Supporting Theriot as a starter, and saying he had a good year. Look at Izturis's numbers and look at Theriots they are identical. That is how bad Theriot was, he was on par with Cesar Izturis, but for some reason(see GRIT factor) people are saying Theriot had a good year, its really hard to believe.

Identical? Theriot's OPS was 55 points higher than Cesar's. Hardly identical. And I don't know who is saying that Theriot had a good year. My whole thing all along has been that Theriot is more likely to give you better production than Cedeno next year. I haven't said that he had a good year.

[E.J.]

I'm just hoping the Cubs upgrade SS this offseason so we don't have to keep arguing about who sucks less.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm just hoping the Cubs upgrade SS this offseason so we don't have to keep arguing about who sucks less.

[Keener98]

Ive asked this question a couple times in this thread to the Theriot supporters, and Im still yet to get an answer.

 

Were those of you who are supporting Theriot, happy with Cesar Izturis?

Supporting Theriot for what? Starter? Or starter over Cedeno, if given the choice between the two? I'm in the latter category. And no, I wasn't happy with Izturis. Why would anyone have been?

 

Supporting Theriot as a starter, and saying he had a good year. Look at Izturis's numbers and look at Theriots they are identical. That is how bad Theriot was, he was on par with Cesar Izturis, but for some reason(see GRIT factor) people are saying Theriot had a good year, its really hard to believe.

Identical? Theriot's OPS was 55 points higher than Cesar's. Hardly identical. And I don't know who is saying that Theriot had a good year. My whole thing all along has been that Theriot is more likely to give you better production than Cedeno next year. I haven't said that he had a good year.

 

Theriot had over 200 more ab's than Izturis and his 55 point OPS advantage is basically from him hitting 6 hrs and Izturis hitting 0. Their average is basically identical, so is their OBP. So Theriot hits more hrs than Izturis and does everything else on par with Izturis, there is not much difference at all. Also Theriots numbers get a huge boost because of him OPS'ing over 900 1 month. That says alot right there. Even with him OPS'ing over 900 for a full month, and Izturis never breaking 790, they are still very close overall for a full season. They are both 28 years old. The comparison is very valid.

 

And you must not have read this thread if you havent seen people saying Theriots had a good year.

[Mizzou]

Ive asked this question a couple times in this thread to the Theriot supporters, and Im still yet to get an answer.

 

Were those of you who are supporting Theriot, happy with Cesar Izturis?

Supporting Theriot for what? Starter? Or starter over Cedeno, if given the choice between the two? I'm in the latter category. And no, I wasn't happy with Izturis. Why would anyone have been?

 

Supporting Theriot as a starter, and saying he had a good year. Look at Izturis's numbers and look at Theriots they are identical. That is how bad Theriot was, he was on par with Cesar Izturis, but for some reason(see GRIT factor) people are saying Theriot had a good year, its really hard to believe.

Identical? Theriot's OPS was 55 points higher than Cesar's. Hardly identical. And I don't know who is saying that Theriot had a good year. My whole thing all along has been that Theriot is more likely to give you better production than Cedeno next year. I haven't said that he had a good year.

 

Theriot had over 200 more ab's than Izturis and his 55 point OPS advantage is basically from him hitting 6 hrs and Izturis hitting 0. Their average is basically identical, so is their OBP. So Theriot hits more hrs than Izturis and does everything else on par with Izturis, there is not much difference at all. Also Theriots numbers get a huge boost because of him OPS'ing over 900 1 month. That says alot right there. Even with him OPS'ing over 900 for a full month, and Izturis never breaking 790, they are still very close overall for a full season. They are both 28 years old. The comparison is very valid.

 

And you must not have read this thread if you havent seen people saying Theriots had a good year.

Theriot had 3 HR's, not 6. He also had more than twice as many doubles as Izturis did. But the bottom line is that his OPS was 55 points higher than Izturis's. I don't know why you're trying to overlook that or make it seem insignificant. And we apparently have differing definitions of the word identical. Because Theriot's average and OBP (along with SLG and OPS) were not identical to Izturis's. They were better.

 

And your comment about Theriot being on par with Izturis in every category is flat out wrong. Theriot is better than Izturis in every category. Why are you trying to say otherwise?

[Keener98]

Ive asked this question a couple times in this thread to the Theriot supporters, and Im still yet to get an answer.

 

Were those of you who are supporting Theriot, happy with Cesar Izturis?

Supporting Theriot for what? Starter? Or starter over Cedeno, if given the choice between the two? I'm in the latter category. And no, I wasn't happy with Izturis. Why would anyone have been?

 

Supporting Theriot as a starter, and saying he had a good year. Look at Izturis's numbers and look at Theriots they are identical. That is how bad Theriot was, he was on par with Cesar Izturis, but for some reason(see GRIT factor) people are saying Theriot had a good year, its really hard to believe.

Identical? Theriot's OPS was 55 points higher than Cesar's. Hardly identical. And I don't know who is saying that Theriot had a good year. My whole thing all along has been that Theriot is more likely to give you better production than Cedeno next year. I haven't said that he had a good year.

 

Theriot had over 200 more ab's than Izturis and his 55 point OPS advantage is basically from him hitting 6 hrs and Izturis hitting 0. Their average is basically identical, so is their OBP. So Theriot hits more hrs than Izturis and does everything else on par with Izturis, there is not much difference at all. Also Theriots numbers get a huge boost because of him OPS'ing over 900 1 month. That says alot right there. Even with him OPS'ing over 900 for a full month, and Izturis never breaking 790, they are still very close overall for a full season. They are both 28 years old. The comparison is very valid.

 

And you must not have read this thread if you havent seen people saying Theriots had a good year.

Theriot had 3 HR's, not 6. He also had more than twice as many doubles as Izturis did. But the bottom line is that his OPS was 55 points higher than Izturis's. I don't know why you're trying to overlook that or make it seem insignificant. And we apparently have differing definitions of the word identical. Because Theriot's average and OBP (along with SLG and OPS) were not identical to Izturis's. They were better.

 

And your comment about Theriot being on par with Izturis in every category is flat out wrong. Theriot is better than Izturis in every

 

category. Why are you trying to say otherwise?

 

I said they are basically identical. Theriot had a 8 point advantage in batting average and a 20 point advantage in OBP. Not exactly the same, but nearly identical. Like I said it took a 900 OPS from Theriot in 1 month for him to even reach his sub par numbers. Theriot also had 200 more ab's than Izturis. Theriot at best is a very very slightly better offensive player than Izturis.

[biittner77]

If the Cubs don't upgrade from outside the organization, I'd bet that Theriot starts at SS opening day but that Piniella will not hesitate to yank him in favor of Cedeno. I base that on Piniella liking Theriot on the one hand but wanting to win trumps all else.

[Tracer Bullet]

If the Cubs don't upgrade from outside the organization, I'd bet that Theriot starts at SS opening day but that Piniella will not hesitate to yank him in favor of Cedeno. I base that on Piniella liking Theriot on the one hand but wanting to win trumps all else.

 

I don't know. Getting out of Lou's doghouse is not easy. Murton didn't do it for basically the entire season after making a couple mistakes in the OF and on the bases early. As long as Theriot keeps up his high SB% and doesn't make a lot of obvious errors (I'm talking muffed balls or throws into the seats - not inability to get to a ball he should), it's going to be very hard for Cedeno to overtake him. Hell, Cedeno put up over a .900 OPS in the minors while Theriot sucked down the stretch, but nothing changed. Theriot's terrible post-ASB OBP of .315 was allowed to hit 2nd (or 1st) basically the entire 2nd half.

 

I don't doubt that Lou thinks winning trumps all. But I do doubt that all of his decisions give us the best chance to win.

[fromthestretch]

This irrational love of Theriot is exactly the reason I'd rather he just be out of town entirely. People are letting emotions dictate their opinions about the man's potential, and that's where we start getting into trouble with guys "saving" us.

 

If you consider the comments in the last few pages about Theriot as love, you have a very low threshold for love. Most of the people who have anything good to say about him just say he may not turn out to be awful or that he is a better option than Cedeno. Hardly could be classified as love.

 

Kind of like how the person who created the thread thinks that people want to run Theriot out of town when in reality, most people just don't want him starting.

[CUBZ99]

This irrational love of Theriot is exactly the reason I'd rather he just be out of town entirely. People are letting emotions dictate their opinions about the man's potential, and that's where we start getting into trouble with guys "saving" us.

 

If you consider the comments in the last few pages about Theriot as love, you have a very low threshold for love. Most of the people who have anything good to say about him just say he may not turn out to be awful or that he is a better option than Cedeno. Hardly could be classified as love.

 

Kind of like how the person who created the thread thinks that people want to run Theriot out of town when in reality, most people just don't want him starting.

 

Why are you bringing up old stuff? :lol:

[Derwood]

this thread is a dictionary definition of a circular argument.

 

this is the thread that never ends, it just goes on and on....

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Shampoo is better. I go on first and clean the hair.

 

Conditioner is better. I leave the hair silky and smooth.