College Football - Week of 9/29

jjgman21 · September 30, 2007

you also make an incorrect assumption. it's perfectly conceivable that LSU beats Florida and Kentucky, then Florida beats Kentucky. Florida still goes to the SEC championship game

I assume you're assuming the winner of Tennessee/Georgia next week loses a second SEC game? Because in your scenario, the winner of the Tennessee/Georgia winner vs Kentucky game wins the East.

With the parity inside the SEC East this year, two losses will put Florida in with everybody else and it's likely that Tennessee, Georgia or Kentucky (possibly even South Carolina) will finish with just one loss.

Florida winning the East is no slam dunk.

while I did not consider Tennessee, I don't think that will be necessary. in the context of the exchange previous to this, by definition my assumption includes Florida beating Kentucky, Georgia and USC, which would be all three teams second conference loss, with Florida winning head to head against all of them.

I realize that Florida winning the East isn't a slam dunk. that's really part of my point. doesn't matter how much they struggle through conference play, if they win the SEC championship game, they are likely to go to the BCS championship game.

not directed at you dew:

as for parity, I'm beginning to see the pattern here. if there's parity in the BigTen, it's because their top teams suck. if there's parity in the other conferences, it's because their middle teams and bottom teams are so good.

jjgman21 · September 30, 2007

Florida lost too? :shock:

What is going on in college football this season? Crazy.

After USC and LSU, there are no dominant teams out there. Florida has incredible talent, but plenty of issues. WVU has little to no defense. Texas has looked bad every week (nearly).

Now, after the top two will likely be Cal, OSU and Wisconsin. That's honestly a very iffy 3-5.

make no mistake about it, there will be at least two and probably three one loss teams ahead of Wisconsin. this is another broken record.

year after year teams ranked ahead of Wisconsin that lose are not dropped below Wisconsin. no chance that changes in a year where Wisconsin's wins haven't been impressive and they are inconsistent on both sides of the ball.

I would not be surprised if Wisconsin's position in the polls doesn't change. only one or two of the 4 losing teams ahead of them will drop below, while they get passed by UK, BC, or both.

Florida, Oklahoma, WVU, Texas and Rutgers will all be below Wisconsin. If Wisconsin doesn't move up from #8, then BC would have to move up four spots to pass them, Va Tech 7 spots, Kentucky 8 spots, and Georgia 9 spots. Remember, that's if Wisconsin doesn't move up. After winning and everybody losing in front, I think they have to move up a spot or two at the very least.

I don't see Wisconsin being outside the top 6 after today, probably in the top 5.

I probably over reached with 'probably three once loss teams.' Rutgers already was below Wisconsin, who is currently #9.

you really couldn't see a whole lot of pollsters going

USC

LSU

Cal

OSU

3-4 of Fla/OK/BC/UK/WVU

UW

?

I think it's exactly what will happen.

not that it will matter anyway, because the Badgers still can't stop the spread formation, much less one with a couple of world class athletes, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's a one week visit to the top 5-6 anyway.

jjgman21 · September 30, 2007

make no mistake about it, there will be at least two and probably three one loss teams ahead of Wisconsin. this is another broken record.

year after year teams ranked ahead of Wisconsin that lose are not dropped below Wisconsin. no chance that changes in a year where Wisconsin's wins haven't been impressive and they are inconsistent on both sides of the ball.

Well thankfully this week, the teams that lost in front of Wisconsin were all pretty big upsets. I can't see a reason why Wisconsin wouldn't be 5 or 6 in the polls.

But generally, ever since I have been a Badger fan, Wisconsin hasn't built the teams that acheive lopsided victories consistently. This year is no exception. They're amazing inconsistent on both sides of the ball. Today it looked like their offense was clicking, but defensively, this might be one of the worse games I've seen them play, ever. It was just absolutely horrid.

They'll need to improve bigtime next week, otherwise they'll be in a very long day.

how long have you been following Wisconsin football?

http://www.redwear.com/1998/football.html

http://www.redwear.com/1999/football.html

the inconsistency is maddening. I think they were treated unfairly after the WSU game as they really kicked their ass, but got alot of bad press. a flukish sequence of events lead to WSU's first score, and a shortfield due to a personal foul after punt and run back lead to WSU's third score. they really only put together one drive on the defense. the offense was clicking. 35 points in three quarters. an 8:15 drive in the fourth, running out the clock instead of going for points like Meyer and Carroll would do.

then the next week they play like crap on both sides of the ball.

then the next week they play a crappy half of defense, and a great half of defense.

then they play a great game of defense, but with bad offense.

then they play a great game of offense, but with bad defense.

the defense returns 9 starters from one of the top units in the country last year.(actually 8 since Bielema suspended Cooper, 7 when Shaughnessey is with his brother, 6 when Ike can't stay on the field). the new safeties have to start tackling better. the free safety got run over time after time today. of course that was always 10 yards up the field. in any case, I feel they will put it together soon, and they really need to next week. hopefully the three spread offenses they faced earlier in the year will allow them to figure out Illinois.

as for the offense, I haven't been disappointed, but again they lack consistency. the linework could be a little better, but when Hubbard returns, with Donovan having a good 10 games experience under his belt, they may become downright dynamic. Hill, Smith, Beckum, Hubbard, Swan, Graham, and this new Jefferson kid (just don't hit him in the hands!), and a gigantic yet agile line. stompin.

if the Badgers survive the next two weeks, they might just run the table, and the Badgers have a knack for pulling upsets in bowl games.

soccer10k · September 30, 2007

Touchback! Cal ball, Cal wins it 31-24. What a great finish.

This is just like the idiot Fresno State guy who fumbled into the endzone reaching for the pylon against Texas A&M. It's first down you idiots and you'll have the ball at the one. Just hold onto it and try to push your way into the endzone and if you don't get there, ball is at the one. I'm not sure if Oregon had any timeouts left but it appeared in the one replay I saw that the Oregon player was going to go out of bounds or not. But the Fresno State play was worse because that was in overtime so they didn't have to worry about the time at all.

soccer10k · September 30, 2007

Basketball season in two months, basketball season in two months, basketball season in two months, basketball season in two months, basketball season in two months, basketball season in two months, basketball season in two months, basketball season in two months, basketball season in two months.

Baseball season now, baseball season now, etc.

soccer10k · September 30, 2007

you really couldn't see a whole lot of pollsters going

USC
LSU
Cal
OSU
3-4 of Fla/OK/BC/UK/WVU
UW

?

I think it's exactly what will happen.

not that it will matter anyway, because the Badgers still can't stop the spread formation, much less one with a couple of world class athletes, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's a one week visit to the top 5-6 anyway.

I could see some of the pollsters putting BC or UK ahead of Wisconsin but there's no way that Florida, Oklahoma and West Virginia are ahead of them. Personally, my top 5 would be:

LSU

USC

Cal

OSU

Wisconsin

If UK can go to South Carolina next week and beat them, then I'll believe they're for real and BC is still in the ACC.

EDIT: Like Ping said earlier, we're going to find out a lot about UK over the next three weeks.

BigSlick · September 30, 2007

i hate the fact that the Big 10 is shaping up for OSU to win

I love it, go buckeyes. Even in a down year they are the most competitive Big Ten Team. :lol:

Also, go Illinois. We gotta get a bowl bid this year.

soccer10k · September 30, 2007

A couple thoughts on the weekend's games:

-Holy crap with the upsets. I can't remember a weekend that had this many top teams going down. Five of the top 10 and 7 of the top 13 lost today. Amazing day. In addition to that, I was shocked by how many home teams struggled. We see top teams get upset and played tight all the time but generally it's on the road. And I understand that with conference and rivalry games, that can happen and does all the time. But Florida, Texas and Rutgers all lost at home and Wisconsin nearly joined them.

-Disappointed that West Virginia lost and, while it would be easy to say they did because Pat White got hurt, I'm not going to do it. South Florida apparently has their number and kudos to them. Also disappointed Rutgers lost and it appears the Big East isn't as strong as I thought (damn you Louisville). I'd now rank them right on par with the Big 10 and Big 12.

-I'm really, really hoping that Cal and USC win out until their matchup in Berkeley on November 10. That would be an absolutely amazing matchup.

And, this isn't a thought, rather a note about ESPN. They showed a stat that said today's loss was "The most lopsided loss for Texas in 10 years under Mack Brown." Uh, ESPN, did you forget the 2000 and 2003 Red River Shootouts in which Texas lost 63-14 and 65-13?

September 30, 2007

Touchback! Cal ball, Cal wins it 31-24. What a great finish.

This is just like the idiot Fresno State guy who fumbled into the endzone reaching for the pylon against Texas A&M. It's first down you idiots and you'll have the ball at the one. Just hold onto it and try to push your way into the endzone and if you don't get there, ball is at the one. I'm not sure if Oregon had any timeouts left but it appeared in the one replay I saw that the Oregon player was going to go out of bounds or not. But the Fresno State play was worse because that was in overtime so they didn't have to worry about the time at all.

They had no timeouts left but they had about 15 seconds and he was headed out of bounds. Stupid play on Colvin's part when you have time and more chances but it was a great way to end a great game.

Jon · September 30, 2007

Great choke job today. The offensive line just went to hell in the 4th quarter and the offense did a great job of giving the game away. That was a must win and they blew it despite taking it to Michigan all game long.

Did Henne lead the comeback or did Mallett?
Henne played decently in the second half, but there was no "comeback." Northwestern turned it over in their own territory on 4 consecutive possessions in the 4th quarter. The game was handed to them.

I guess the moral victory is that I don't believe Michigan fans outnumbered us this time.

What was the score when they decided to do that? Your program just hasn't been the same since your coach died.

It was 16-7 at the half and 16-14 going into the 4th quarter.

The coaching staff has been horrible, but we played most of last season with a pair of runners at QB who couldn't throw and now we're without our best offensive player in Tyrell Sutton since early in the 2nd game of the year, the most explosive receiver in Andrew Brewer, who was lost for the year in August, and our best defensive player in safety Brendan Smith, who couldn't fully recover from shoulder surgery. Sutton may not be the most important offensive player (that distinction goes to Bacher), but he's not only one of the best backs in the Big Ten, he's also very important in the passing game. Conteh had a great game in his place yesterday, but they never would have abandoned the run in the 4th quarter if Sutton was in there. And there's a growing chance that Sutton could miss the remainder of the season with a high ankle sprain.

CuseCubFan69 · September 30, 2007

A couple thoughts on the weekend's games:

-Holy crap with the upsets. I can't remember a weekend that had this many top teams going down. Five of the top 10 and 7 of the top 13 lost today. Amazing day. In addition to that, I was shocked by how many home teams struggled. We see top teams get upset and played tight all the time but generally it's on the road. And I understand that with conference and rivalry games, that can happen and does all the time. But Florida, Texas and Rutgers all lost at home and Wisconsin nearly joined them.

-Disappointed that West Virginia lost and, while it would be easy to say they did because Pat White got hurt, I'm not going to do it. South Florida apparently has their number and kudos to them. Also disappointed Rutgers lost and it appears the Big East isn't as strong as I thought (damn you Louisville). I'd now rank them right on par with the Big 10 and Big 12.

-I'm really, really hoping that Cal and USC win out until their matchup in Berkeley on November 10. That would be an absolutely amazing matchup.

And, this isn't a thought, rather a note about ESPN. They showed a stat that said today's loss was "The most lopsided loss for Texas in 10 years under Mack Brown." Uh, ESPN, did you forget the 2000 and 2003 Red River Shootouts in which Texas lost 63-14 and 65-13?

I think any good team can beat another one in any of the BCS conferences.

And ESPN has a very selective memory and that was a long time ago, did you really think they would remember that?

Cal/USC will be a good one but don't forget the Ducks have USC at home.

Rutgers hurt more than Louisville. I thought Louisville's D would be suspect but I didn't think Rutgers would have such a hard time stopping Maryland. But, SFlor and Cinci may be better than a lot of people thought and we'll see how this thing shapes out as they all play each other.

Coach C · September 30, 2007

Man, K-State so owns Texas. :D

TruffleShuffle · September 30, 2007

after this weekend, i think we can safely say that every conference sucks and every team is bad

CuseCubFan69 · September 30, 2007

you really couldn't see a whole lot of pollsters going

USC
LSU
Cal
OSU
3-4 of Fla/OK/BC/UK/WVU
UW

?

I think it's exactly what will happen.

not that it will matter anyway, because the Badgers still can't stop the spread formation, much less one with a couple of world class athletes, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's a one week visit to the top 5-6 anyway.

I could see some of the pollsters putting BC or UK ahead of Wisconsin but there's no way that Florida, Oklahoma and West Virginia are ahead of them. Personally, my top 5 would be:

LSU
USC
Cal
OSU
Wisconsin

If UK can go to South Carolina next week and beat them, then I'll believe they're for real and BC is still in the ACC.

EDIT: Like Ping said earlier, we're going to find out a lot about UK over the next three weeks.

If you go by who you have beaten S Florida has beaten 2 ranked teams while OSU hasn't played a team that is over 500. LSU has ripped through VTech and a solid Miss St and S Carolina. USC has beat a solid Nebraska team. Wisconsin has beaten a solid Michigan St team. Cal has beaten Tenn and Oregon. imo if you go by who has earned a top 5:

1 LSU

2 Cal

3 S. Flor

4 Wisc/ Kentucky/Missouri/BC/USC

I still flip flop Cal and LSU but LSU playing 3 good teams did it for me.

Wisc has played no one but beat a good Mich St

Kentucky has beat Louisville, Arkansas

Missouri has beat a one loss Illinois, and a tough Mississippi

BC has beat GTech, WF

USC has beat Nebraska

So it's hard to divide those 5 teams.

CuseCubFan69 · September 30, 2007

after this weekend, i think we can safely say that every conference sucks and every team is bad

Just flip a coin and you'll have the same luck as picking a winner!

I think it's fun to watch it develop and prove the experts wrong as they usually are. Honestly, my point on the BE is that they belong, not better or worse.

UK1679666180 · September 30, 2007

Florida still has a trip to Baton Rouge next week (I think it's next week) and games against Georgia and Steve Spurrier. It's no easy road from here for the Crocs.

I still think it's more likely than not that LSU beats Florida, which puts the winner of Tennessee/Georgia next week in the driver's seat for the East.

Right now, I see it ending...

UGA 6-2

UF 5-3

USC 5-3

UK 4-4

UT 4-4

Mark_R · September 30, 2007

you really couldn't see a whole lot of pollsters going

USC
LSU
Cal
OSU
3-4 of Fla/OK/BC/UK/WVU
UW

?

I think it's exactly what will happen.

not that it will matter anyway, because the Badgers still can't stop the spread formation, much less one with a couple of world class athletes, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's a one week visit to the top 5-6 anyway.

I could see some of the pollsters putting BC or UK ahead of Wisconsin but there's no way that Florida, Oklahoma and West Virginia are ahead of them. Personally, my top 5 would be:

LSU
USC
Cal
OSU
Wisconsin

If UK can go to South Carolina next week and beat them, then I'll believe they're for real and BC is still in the ACC.

EDIT: Like Ping said earlier, we're going to find out a lot about UK over the next three weeks.

If you go by who you have beaten S Florida has beaten 2 ranked teams while OSU hasn't played a team that is over 500. LSU has ripped through VTech and a solid Miss St and S Carolina. USC has beat a solid Nebraska team. Wisconsin has beaten a solid Michigan St team. Cal has beaten Tenn and Oregon. imo if you go by who has earned a top 5:

1 LSU
2 Cal
3 S. Flor
4 Wisc/ Kentucky/Missouri/BC/USC

I still flip flop Cal and LSU but LSU playing 3 good teams did it for me.

Wisc has played no one but beat a good Mich St
Kentucky has beat Louisville, Arkansas
Missouri has beat a one loss Illinois, and a tough Mississippi
BC has beat GTech, WF
USC has beat Nebraska
So it's hard to divide those 5 teams.

South Florida ahead of USC. Those crazy Big East Homers :lol: :lol:

bukie · September 30, 2007

What can you really say about the Big Ten at this point. Probably 9 teams among the top 50 or 60 of college teams, but really probably only 3 top 25 at this conjecture: Ohio State, Wisconsin, Purdue. Everyone else is mixed up below them, although I still think teams like Michigan and Michigan State are better than Illinois and Indiana.

Derwood · September 30, 2007

This is the year I've been hoping for.....I want to see ZERO undefeated teams this year and huge amounts of controversy in the BCS. That, or have the only two undefeated teams be, say, Hawaii and South Florida or something. I think there is a very real possibility that USC and LSU lose here sometime soon.

Sweep The Leg Johnny · September 30, 2007

how long have you been following Wisconsin football?

http://www.redwear.com/1998/football.html
http://www.redwear.com/1999/football.html

the inconsistency is maddening. I think they were treated unfairly after the WSU game as they really kicked their ass, but got alot of bad press. a flukish sequence of events lead to WSU's first score, and a shortfield due to a personal foul after punt and run back lead to WSU's third score. they really only put together one drive on the defense. the offense was clicking. 35 points in three quarters. an 8:15 drive in the fourth, running out the clock instead of going for points like Meyer and Carroll would do.
.

I've been following the Badgers since the mid-90's. Left Madison in 01', and attended the Rose Bowls in the late 90's. Yes, 98' and 99' were amazing years, this is why I said "generally" they don't produce teams that create lopsided victories.

I'm not concerned at all about their offense. If you recall last year, it took them about 5 games into the season to really click. It was after the Michigan loss that they started to mesh and really take off. Now with Paul Chryst, their offensive is becoming more dynamic. They're recruiting exciting WR talent in Jefferon, Moore, Toon, Gilreath, etc. I'm pretty confident they'll start to gain consistency in that department.

Now defensively, that's another question. Their DL can't generate consistent pressure. Ike has looked just "okay". I haven't been impressed with Casillas and Levy this year. Hodge, Langford, Pleasant and Carter have been consistently in bad locations to make plays. But with that said, many of the aforementioned are pretty young in terms of college experience. I'm hoping like the offense, the defense can start to gel. Otherwise, I can't see how this defense can hang with the likes of Illinois, Michigan or OSU. I'm mostly concerned with Illinois as a spread offense and a running QB typically equals a long, long day for Badger defenders.

soccer10k · September 30, 2007

If you go by who you have beaten S Florida has beaten 2 ranked teams while OSU hasn't played a team that is over 500. LSU has ripped through VTech and a solid Miss St and S Carolina. USC has beat a solid Nebraska team. Wisconsin has beaten a solid Michigan St team. Cal has beaten Tenn and Oregon. imo if you go by who has earned a top 5:

1 LSU
2 Cal
3 S. Flor
4 Wisc/ Kentucky/Missouri/BC/USC

I still flip flop Cal and LSU but LSU playing 3 good teams did it for me.

Wisc has played no one but beat a good Mich St
Kentucky has beat Louisville, Arkansas
Missouri has beat a one loss Illinois, and a tough Mississippi
BC has beat GTech, WF
USC has beat Nebraska
So it's hard to divide those 5 teams.

As of now South Florida has only beaten 1 ranked team since Auburn dropped out. They might jump back into the polls on the heels of this win against Florida but right now they're not so you can't count that. But it's still a very good win going to Auburn and winning. And the WVU win was impressive as well.

The problem with LSU is that they haven't done anything on the road. They've beaten Mississippi State and Tulane. They also killed an obviously overrated Virginia Tech team (at the time the two teams played) and beat a decent South Carolina team. But both those games were in Death Valley.

Cal at least has a very good road victory when they beat Oregon yesterday. Same goes for USC in going to Nebraska and posting a dominating victory. While I don't think Nebraska is as good as Oregon, USC's victory was much more convincing so that makes up for it. Though USC also struggled against Washington though it was on the road.

Like I said about BC, I'm always going to be skeptical because they play in the ACC.

Kentucky beat an apparently overrated Louisville team (namely the defense) and a decent Arkansas team. They play at South Carolina and host LSU and Florida in the upcoming weeks.

Missouri hasn't played anybody but in the next two weeks they host Nebraska and play at Oklahoma so we'll quickly find out how good of a team they really are.

Wisconsin has struggled at times and they also haven't played anybody - no, I don't think Michigan State is all that great yet. I've fallen into the MSU trap before only to see them fall flat on their faces. Wisconsin does get the benefit of the doubt because they were a very good team last year and returned almost all of their starters.

I'd still stick with my top-5 but South Florida would probably be tied with Wisconsin for fifth (I, admittedly forgot about them when making my top-5 earlier). You could put either fifth and the other sixth and I wouldn't have a problem with it.

BigSlick · September 30, 2007

This is the year I've been hoping for.....I want to see ZERO undefeated teams this year and huge amounts of controversy in the BCS. That, or have the only two undefeated teams be, say, Hawaii and South Florida or something. I think there is a very real possibility that USC and LSU lose here sometime soon.

We need to have a playoff. As many as 8 teams every year should be in contention for the national championship every year.

Also why is Wisonsin and top 5 team and not Ohio State? They have exactly the same credentials.

Derwood · September 30, 2007

This is the year I've been hoping for.....I want to see ZERO undefeated teams this year and huge amounts of controversy in the BCS. That, or have the only two undefeated teams be, say, Hawaii and South Florida or something. I think there is a very real possibility that USC and LSU lose here sometime soon.

We need to have a playoff. As many as 8 teams every year should be in contention for the national championship every year.

Also why is Wisonsin and top 5 team and not Ohio State? They have exactly the same credentials.

because pre-season polls are stupid, that's why

dew1679666265 · September 30, 2007

Florida lost too? :shock:

What is going on in college football this season? Crazy.

After USC and LSU, there are no dominant teams out there. Florida has incredible talent, but plenty of issues. WVU has little to no defense. Texas has looked bad every week (nearly).

Now, after the top two will likely be Cal, OSU and Wisconsin. That's honestly a very iffy 3-5.

make no mistake about it, there will be at least two and probably three one loss teams ahead of Wisconsin. this is another broken record.

year after year teams ranked ahead of Wisconsin that lose are not dropped below Wisconsin. no chance that changes in a year where Wisconsin's wins haven't been impressive and they are inconsistent on both sides of the ball.

I would not be surprised if Wisconsin's position in the polls doesn't change. only one or two of the 4 losing teams ahead of them will drop below, while they get passed by UK, BC, or both.

Florida, Oklahoma, WVU, Texas and Rutgers will all be below Wisconsin. If Wisconsin doesn't move up from #8, then BC would have to move up four spots to pass them, Va Tech 7 spots, Kentucky 8 spots, and Georgia 9 spots. Remember, that's if Wisconsin doesn't move up. After winning and everybody losing in front, I think they have to move up a spot or two at the very least.

I don't see Wisconsin being outside the top 6 after today, probably in the top 5.

I probably over reached with 'probably three once loss teams.' Rutgers already was below Wisconsin, who is currently #9.

you really couldn't see a whole lot of pollsters going

USC
LSU
Cal
OSU
3-4 of Fla/OK/BC/UK/WVU
UW

?

I think it's exactly what will happen.

not that it will matter anyway, because the Badgers still can't stop the spread formation, much less one with a couple of world class athletes, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's a one week visit to the top 5-6 anyway.

I see no possible way that Florida and Oklahoma both lose to unranked teams (OK lost to a horrible unranked team) and fall 1-2 spots. Also, I don't see how you can say that WVU could lose to South Florida and not drop. Before the loss they were ranked 5, you expect them to hold firm or rise in the polls after losing? Interesting though process.

Like soccer10K said, UK or BC could jump Wisconsin, but I really doubt it. The Badgers should, and I think will, be in the top 5 this week.

UK1679666180 · September 30, 2007

Uk shouldn't be ahead of UW, simply b/c they're not as good.

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