Dempster

[windycityfan]

Marmol please.

 

I have no idea why people want to take our best reliever (by far our best fireman stranding inherited runners) and put him in a spot where we don't use him unless we have the lead in the 9th.

 

If so, who do you bring in to get out of a tough spot in the 6th-7th in a game? Howry? Then who is the bridge to Marmol?

 

Marmol is more effective and useful in his current role and Dempster has been successful in his role as closer.

 

Discussed ad nauseum and still true. Thanks for the reminder. Marmol should stay right where he is.

[Outshined_One]

Marmol's the best reliever, but he shouldn't be the closer. The Cubs need a guy they can go to whenever they desperately need someone to slam the door on the opposition, be it in the 6th or 8th inning. If he's slotted as the closer and only used in 9th inning situations and in situations where he needs some work due to time off, that will keep him from being as effective as he could be for this team.

 

Demp isn't the greatest reliever in the world, but I'd rather keep Marmol where he is, you know?

[Sammy Sofa]

Ironically, this is exactly the type of game that, to me, shows why Marmol would often be wasted as a closer. Yes, I agree he would have likely not given up any runs...but that means you just used him when the Cubs have a 5-1 lead. That seems like a waste of a guy who is so dominant. At the same time, contrary to recent dramatics, games like this are still very much the exception for Dempster, not the rule.

[soccer10k]

The solution is very, very simple. Don't bring Dempster into the game in non-save situations.

[Keener98]

Ater getting shelled tonight, Dempster's ERA has now risen to 4.22.

 

I know, I know, it wasn't a save situation - at least is wasn't until Dempster made it one.

 

No matter the situation, good relievers don't get shelled like that.

 

Tonight was the last straw for me. While the Cards not only started hitting him but Howry as well, Dempster just seem to lose his mojo after the first sign of adversity.

 

Howry and Dempster's roles should be flipped flopped.

 

Yea like he lost it in Houston after they had a guy on 3rd with nobody out, and we lost...oh wait we won that game.

 

You take a lazy approach to my statement hoping to validate your angle, when in reality he lost one game and almost blew the next one (allowing a single, triple and giving up a walk - bailed out by a one-pitch grounder and two-pitch double play grounder to "win the game").

 

You took a kneejerk reaction, and just plain wrong thinking hoping to validate your angle, when in reality its far from being the truth. Your statement is pure BS. You have no proof to back up that at the first sign of adversity he loses it, as like I said hes handled plenty of adversity in the past quite well.

[RynoRules]

Marmol's the best reliever, but he shouldn't be the closer. The Cubs need a guy they can go to whenever they desperately need someone to slam the door on the opposition, be it in the 6th or 8th inning. If he's slotted as the closer and only used in 9th inning situations and in situations where he needs some work due to time off, that will keep him from being as effective as he could be for this team.

 

Demp isn't the greatest reliever in the world, but I'd rather keep Marmol where he is, you know?

 

Agree with every single word. Lou seems to understand that your best relievers need to be around for when all hell is breaking loose in the 6th, 7th and 8th. Marmol and Howry are clearly the two best.

[SouthSideRyan]

Brought over from a post I made at BTF.

 

 

People seem to have this obsession with riding Dempster out on a rail. He's been bad lately, and I don't know why other than reliever fluctuation. '06 I had previously chalked up to inconsistent work, though looking at the new tools in BR show it wasn't that inconsistent, moreso than a normal closer I'm guessing, but not that bad. In '05, as I said you'd be hard pressed to find many relievers better. He is what he is, he's likely never gonna reach those '05 #s again, but he's also likely never gonna reach those '06 #s. He's a high BB, high K, low HR guy who'll give you some scares when he's wild. The very definition of an averagish closer.

[SouthSideRyan]

I did a search through game logs then forgot to save my numbers, and am too annoyed to go back and do it again, but his ERA in non-save situations was ~5.60 Of course that number means little without knowing how an average closer performs in non-save situations.

[The Voice of Reason]

I did a search through game logs then forgot to save my numbers, and am too annoyed to go back and do it again, but his ERA in non-save situations was ~5.60 Of course that number means little without knowing how an average closer performs in non-save situations.

 

Mt. Carmel 35 - 19 over St.Rita. :lol:

[SouthSideRyan]

I did a search through game logs then forgot to save my numbers, and am too annoyed to go back and do it again, but his ERA in non-save situations was ~5.60 Of course that number means little without knowing how an average closer performs in non-save situations.

 

Mt. Carmel 35 - 19 over St.Rita. :lol:

 

I'm a Rice guy, so I was rooting for a stadium collapse.

 

Well, not really true I like Rita way more than Carmel.

[CubColtPacer]

Lou on Dempster and the closers situation before Friday's game:

 

Dempster is 28 for 31 in save situations, and Piniella was asked if he had considered using Carlos Marmol as a closer.

 

"You've got to realize that setup people are just as important as closers," Piniella said. "Who do I use to get to my closer if I take Marmol out of that spot? Want me to fabricate somebody here at the end?

 

"Plus, I have confidence in Dempster," Piniella said. "Dempster has done a darn good job, and I don't know why people talk about other scenarios."

 

That is definitely one area where Lou understands the situation better than most managers.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070921&content_id=2221866&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[NewUserName]

Lou on Dempster and the closers situation before Friday's game:

 

Dempster is 28 for 31 in save situations, and Piniella was asked if he had considered using Carlos Marmol as a closer.

 

"You've got to realize that setup people are just as important as closers," Piniella said. "Who do I use to get to my closer if I take Marmol out of that spot? Want me to fabricate somebody here at the end?

 

"Plus, I have confidence in Dempster," Piniella said. "Dempster has done a darn good job, and I don't know why people talk about other scenarios."

 

That is definitely one area where Lou understands the situation better than most managers.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070921&content_id=2221866&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

 

Agreed. This baseball created myth of the last 3 outs are the hardest is just plain silly. Worse of all some guys get huge contracts because they can put up 40 saves.

 

What I dont understand is the bullpen is working right now. Why mess with it in the last week of the season. That would be just plain stupid.