Dempster

[fromthestretch]

Dempster ERAs

 

2004 - 3.92, 2005 - 3.13, 2006 - 4.80, 2007 - 3.88

 

Over the last four years, Demspter's ERA is over 4.

 

Yeah, he's worth $5.3 million a year. :roll:

 

His ERA is over 4 in one of those seasons. I don't think he's worth 5.3. But he's here already and is the best candidate to close.

 

Just watched the highlights of the 9th this morning. It's hard to get pissed at Dempster. The first guy hit an outside pitch the other way. The 2nd at bat should have been a double play, and at the very least, a fielders choice. The homerun was a pop-up that floated into the basket. There's really no reason for people to get all pissy about Dempster. He's far from great, but he's been fine this year, and he's been fine throughout the majority of his time on the Cubs.

 

His cumulative ERA over the last four years is over 4 which is not good.

 

Actually, it's 3.88.

 

And since we're talking about his ability as a closer, perhaps you shouldn't include his horrible numbers in six starts at the beginning of 2005. Let's face it, everyone knows he's not good in a starting role. His ERA as a reliever over the last four years is 3.65. While not stellar, it's much better than "over 4."

 

Thanks for doing the actual math. Obviously I was just estimating.

 

While your at it, could you compare a 3.65 ERA to the top 10 closers in the NL over the last four years? Maybe then you guys can change my opinion about Dempster.

 

Well, if I (or anyone else) was actually arguing that Dempster was a top closer, I'd actually take the time to do that. However, no one is arguing that he's elite. He shouldn't need to be in order for this team to win. He's good enough for this team to win. Would I like an elite closer like Putz or Saito or Nathan? Sure, who wouldn't? But it's not like we're throwing Todd Jones, Joe Borowski, or Al Reyes out there (two of which pitch for teams with better records than the Cubs).

[C.C.]

Dempster looked good last night. Seems like the hate talk has died down for a day.

[Warren Brusstar]

Dempster looked good last night. Seems like the hate talk has died down for a day.

 

Hawkins '04 = Dempster '07.

 

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

[The Voice of Reason]

Dempster has prob. been an avg. closer during his tenure as closer.

 

Of course, if Marmol was closer and Dempster was a set-up guy this year, similar W-L totals would be there over the course of the season, just more games lost in the 7th than the 9th.

 

Unless you reduce his role to that of someone like Wuertz, swapping someone like him and Marmol isn't going to amount to much improvement.

 

Agree. The logical thing would be to get rid of Dempster next year, bring in a reliable set up guy and make Marmol and his 1.45 ERA and high strike out ratio the closer.

 

I don't see a lot of logic in taking Marmol out of the more important 7th/8th inning role.

 

Agreed. You'd be hard press to find anyone that is as effective to replace him.

Yep. It would be better to acquire a pitcher with experience as a good closer, such as Fuentes or Cordero and keep Marmol in the 7th/8th inning.

 

I'm fine with Dempster until he proves other wise.[/quote]

That too. My suggestion was only if Dempster was moved. I still think he close out games effectively.

 

I'm not and I don't.

 

So much for all the five pitch gloating the inning before that was going on in the game thread. The guy has six losses, not a good Walk/K ratio and a ERA close to 4 for a reason - he's not very good.

[Derwood]

Dempster looked good last night. Seems like the hate talk has died down for a day.

 

Hawkins '04 = Dempster '07.

 

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

 

and......no

[IowaCubsFan]

Dempster looked good last night. Seems like the hate talk has died down for a day.

 

Hawkins '04 = Dempster '07.

 

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

 

Maybe they'll run Dempster's lame carcass out of Chicago like they did that a-hole Hawkins.

 

One can only hope.

[Sammy Sofa]

Are you kidding me?

 

Some of you people are absurd.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dempster looked good last night. Seems like the hate talk has died down for a day.

 

Hawkins '04 = Dempster '07.

 

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

 

Maybe they'll run Dempster's lame carcass out of Chicago like they did that a-hole Hawkins.

 

One can only hope.

 

LaTroy Hawkins is one of the nicest guys you'd ever meet. And can we please run Dempster out of town, after all it will appease the (Lee Elia words) 15% that go out to the games. Then all those same damn morons can piss and moan every time Howry gives up a run. And then they can run him out of town and they can find a new scapegoat.

 

Seriously though Dempster you suck cause you don't throw scoreless innings every time you pitch.

[CubmanPi]

Any aggression toward Dempster as a result of tonight's loss is misguided. The Cubs' offense and the inhuman defensive plays made by Houston both deserve the ire well ahead of Dempster. That game should never have made extras.

[SouthSideRyan]

Soap Drop it, Tree knew what he was talking about.

[SouthSideRyan]

Tried to make this my sig, too long, but yeah.

 

Time for everyone to freak out on

 

Murton for not knowing the ball would hit a pole.

Dempster for not throwing 2 shutout innings

Jones for hitting a ball hard but right at the CF.

 

Time for everyone to absolve

 

Cute adorable cuddly little Ryan Theriot.

Sucky suck suckerton Jason Marquis.

Don Piniella.

[SouthSideRyan]

Eh?

[Guest]

Love it.

[treebird]

Soap Drop it, Tree knew what he was talking about.

 

i dont know what this soap drop business is, but don't act so surprised

[Keener98]

Some people amaze me. How in the hell are you blaming Demp? How about we blame our offense for having runners on in the 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th and 11th damn inning, and cant get a [expletive] run across. How about you look at our manager, and his infatuation with "proven" veterans by continuing to start Floyd and Kendall. How about you look at our 136 million dollar man, who doesnt know what a quality ab was if it hit him in his face.

 

there are numerous people to blame for this game, and Demp is wayyyyyyyyyyy down that list.

[The Voice of Reason]

Any aggression toward Dempster as a result of tonight's loss is misguided. The Cubs' offense and the inhuman defensive plays made by Houston both deserve the ire well ahead of Dempster. That game should never have made extras.

 

 

Yes the Cubs have many more problems than Dempser but any aggresssion toward posters who have simply pointed out that Dempster was horrible last year and mediocre (at best) this year is misguided and should be redirected at Hendry for giving Dempster ($5.3 million per) and Eyre big contracts after career years.

 

Just because the game shouldn't have made it to extras doesn't mean Dempster with his 2 - 6 record and 3.88 ERA should be given a free pass.

[Soul]

Yeah I'm still trying to figure out how I stopped watching this game @ 8pm with the Cubs having 4 runs, and checked back 3 hours later and they still only had 4 damn runs.

 

How many GD ABs do you need to push one more run across to win the damn game?

 

This offense is just quite simply junk and it's been that way for most of the year.

[Keener98]

Any aggression toward Dempster as a result of tonight's loss is misguided. The Cubs' offense and the inhuman defensive plays made by Houston both deserve the ire well ahead of Dempster. That game should never have made extras.

 

 

Yes the Cubs have many more problems than Dempser but any aggresssion toward posters who have simply pointed out that Dempster was horrible last year and mediocre (at best) this year is misguided and should be redirected at Hendry for giving Dempster ($5.3 million per) and Eyre big contracts after career years.

 

Just because the game shouldn't have made it to extras doesn't mean Dempster with his 2 - 6 record and 3.88 ERA should be given a free pass.

 

Demp was fantastic the 1st half this year, and there is no denying it. So far this year hes appeared in 57 games and allowed a run in 11.

 

Hes had a rough August and Sept but before that he was pitching as good or better than any closer in baseball.

[C.C.]

Yeah I'm still trying to figure out how I stopped watching this game @ 8pm with the Cubs having 4 runs, and checked back 3 hours later and they still only had 4 damn runs.

 

How many GD ABs do you need to push one more run across to win the damn game?

 

This offense is just quite simply junk and it's been that way for most of the year.

 

I did the same thing. I thought we were going to blow them out last night.

[YearofDaCubs]

I agree with some here, I'd rather blame the pathetic offense first before I start blaming Demp or the bullpen. Kendall sure as hell didn't help with his passed ball either.

[The Voice of Reason]

Any aggression toward Dempster as a result of tonight's loss is misguided. The Cubs' offense and the inhuman defensive plays made by Houston both deserve the ire well ahead of Dempster. That game should never have made extras.

 

 

Yes the Cubs have many more problems than Dempser but any aggresssion toward posters who have simply pointed out that Dempster was horrible last year and mediocre (at best) this year is misguided and should be redirected at Hendry for giving Dempster ($5.3 million per) and Eyre big contracts after career years.

 

Just because the game shouldn't have made it to extras doesn't mean Dempster with his 2 - 6 record and 3.88 ERA should be given a free pass.

 

Demp was fantastic the 1st half this year, and there is no denying it. So far this year hes appeared in 57 games and allowed a run in 11.

 

Hes had a rough August and Sept but before that he was pitching as good or better than any closer in baseball.

 

So in the last two years, he's been bad 3/4 of the time and (even if you throw in his career year of 2005) he been bad half the time over the last three years. I expect better for $5.3 million a year.

 

Over the last two years, he's lost 15 games and has an ERA around 4.40 - He's definitely trending downward. IMHO, Dempster is simpy reverting to the mean and 2005 was a fluke.

[Soul]

Any aggression toward Dempster as a result of tonight's loss is misguided. The Cubs' offense and the inhuman defensive plays made by Houston both deserve the ire well ahead of Dempster. That game should never have made extras.

 

 

Yes the Cubs have many more problems than Dempser but any aggresssion toward posters who have simply pointed out that Dempster was horrible last year and mediocre (at best) this year is misguided and should be redirected at Hendry for giving Dempster ($5.3 million per) and Eyre big contracts after career years.

 

Just because the game shouldn't have made it to extras doesn't mean Dempster with his 2 - 6 record and 3.88 ERA should be given a free pass.

 

Demp was fantastic the 1st half this year, and there is no denying it. So far this year hes appeared in 57 games and allowed a run in 11.

 

Hes had a rough August and Sept but before that he was pitching as good or better than any closer in baseball.

 

So in the last two years, he's been bad 3/4 of the time and (even if you throw in his career year of 2005) he been bad half the time over the last three years. I expect better for $5.3 million a year.

 

Over the last two years, he's lost 15 games and has an ERA around 4.40 - He's definitely trending downward. IMHO, Dempster is simpy reverting to the mean and 2005 was a fluke.

 

You could be right. I just look up at the scoreboard every night and see the Cubs struggling to hold on to 1 run leads while our rivals cruise with 4, 5 run leads. It pisses me off.

 

Pull away from someone for a damn change. And not just one weird 12-run game, either. Start blasting the damn baseball consistently.

[The Voice of Reason]

Any aggression toward Dempster as a result of tonight's loss is misguided. The Cubs' offense and the inhuman defensive plays made by Houston both deserve the ire well ahead of Dempster. That game should never have made extras.

 

 

Yes the Cubs have many more problems than Dempser but any aggresssion toward posters who have simply pointed out that Dempster was horrible last year and mediocre (at best) this year is misguided and should be redirected at Hendry for giving Dempster ($5.3 million per) and Eyre big contracts after career years.

 

Just because the game shouldn't have made it to extras doesn't mean Dempster with his 2 - 6 record and 3.88 ERA should be given a free pass.

 

Demp was fantastic the 1st half this year, and there is no denying it. So far this year hes appeared in 57 games and allowed a run in 11.

 

Hes had a rough August and Sept but before that he was pitching as good or better than any closer in baseball.

 

So in the last two years, he's been bad 3/4 of the time and (even if you throw in his career year of 2005) he been bad half the time over the last three years. I expect better for $5.3 million a year.

 

Over the last two years, he's lost 15 games and has an ERA around 4.40 - He's definitely trending downward. IMHO, Dempster is simpy reverting to the mean and 2005 was a fluke.

 

You could be right. I just look up at the scoreboard every night and see the Cubs struggling to hold on to 1 run leads while our rivals cruise with 4, 5 run leads. It pisses me off.

 

Pull away from someone for a damn change. And not just one weird 12-run game, either. Start blasting the damn baseball consistently.

 

What do you mean "could be"? :lol:

[Soul]

Any aggression toward Dempster as a result of tonight's loss is misguided. The Cubs' offense and the inhuman defensive plays made by Houston both deserve the ire well ahead of Dempster. That game should never have made extras.

 

 

Yes the Cubs have many more problems than Dempser but any aggresssion toward posters who have simply pointed out that Dempster was horrible last year and mediocre (at best) this year is misguided and should be redirected at Hendry for giving Dempster ($5.3 million per) and Eyre big contracts after career years.

 

Just because the game shouldn't have made it to extras doesn't mean Dempster with his 2 - 6 record and 3.88 ERA should be given a free pass.

 

Demp was fantastic the 1st half this year, and there is no denying it. So far this year hes appeared in 57 games and allowed a run in 11.

 

Hes had a rough August and Sept but before that he was pitching as good or better than any closer in baseball.

 

So in the last two years, he's been bad 3/4 of the time and (even if you throw in his career year of 2005) he been bad half the time over the last three years. I expect better for $5.3 million a year.

 

Over the last two years, he's lost 15 games and has an ERA around 4.40 - He's definitely trending downward. IMHO, Dempster is simpy reverting to the mean and 2005 was a fluke.

 

You could be right. I just look up at the scoreboard every night and see the Cubs struggling to hold on to 1 run leads while our rivals cruise with 4, 5 run leads. It pisses me off.

 

Pull away from someone for a damn change. And not just one weird 12-run game, either. Start blasting the damn baseball consistently.

 

What do you mean "could be"? :lol:

 

Holding out some small sliver of hope that he will trend back upwards?

 

I know -- foolish. :wink:

[Warren Brusstar]

Dempster looked good last night. Seems like the hate talk has died down for a day.

 

Hawkins '04 = Dempster '07.

 

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.

 

I repeat....

 

Hawkins '04 = Dempster '07