Dempster

[Guest]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

[rocket]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

real closers don't let balls hit the base.

[Guest]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

[treebird]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

real closers don't let balls hit the base.

 

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[Mephistopheles]

JETER!

[Guest]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

 

The bashing he gets from some is above and beyond what he deserves. I'm not a big fan of his but I'd rather have Marmol be the fireman and Howry set up Dempster.

[The Voice of Reason]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

real closers don't let balls hit the base.

 

 

Real closers don't have ERAs around 4 and 15 losses in less than two years.

[Guest]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

 

The bashing he gets from some is above and beyond what he deserves. I'm not a big fan of his but I'd rather have Marmol be the fireman and Howry set up Dempster.

 

I'd rather have marmol in close situations and dempster in not as close. really the cubs just need another marmol. maybe a lefty who doesn't give up walks or homeruns . . .

[Guest]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

 

The bashing he gets from some is above and beyond what he deserves. I'm not a big fan of his but I'd rather have Marmol be the fireman and Howry set up Dempster.

 

I'd rather have marmol in close situations and dempster in not as close. really the cubs just need another marmol. maybe a lefty who doesn't give up walks or homeruns . . .

 

He's now in the Oakland A's system.

[Guest]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

 

The bashing he gets from some is above and beyond what he deserves. I'm not a big fan of his but I'd rather have Marmol be the fireman and Howry set up Dempster.

 

I'd rather have marmol in close situations and dempster in not as close. really the cubs just need another marmol. maybe a lefty who doesn't give up walks or homeruns . . .

 

He's now in the Oakland A's system.

 

I'm hoping to see him this weekend.

[Sammy Sofa]

So in the last two years, he's been bad 3/4 of the time and (even if you throw in his career year of 2005)

 

Wait...what?

[SouthSideRyan]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

real closers don't let balls hit the base.

 

 

Real closers don't have ERAs around 4 and 15 losses in less than two years.

 

Robb Nen had 7 losses in what may have been his best year as a closer. It's crazy to use losses as an evaluator of a closer, especially when said closer was pitching for a horrible team that is more likely to not bail him out should he blow a save.

 

Dempster has saved 83 out of 97 save oppurtunities as closer of the Cubs. Nobody claims he's an elite closer, but he's perfectly acceptable.

[Sammy Sofa]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

 

Can Fred provide us with the numbers that show how many inherited 1-run leads Dempster has saved or lost?

[Sammy Sofa]

Real closers save ballgames.

[Guest]

Real closers save ballgames.

 

 

like Dempster did today?

[Sammy Sofa]

Real closers save ballgames.

 

 

like Dempster did today?

 

SPECIFICALLY like today? Ideally, no. But so long as the end result is the team wins at least the significant majority of the time when the closer comes in, it works for me.

[SouthSideRyan]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

 

Can Fred provide us with the numbers that show how many inherited 1-run leads Dempster has saved or lost?

 

In order for it to be relevant, you'd have to know how many saves and blown saves the average closer has in those situations. Average % is going to be a lot lower. I'll check what Dempster's done.

[apete6]

So if Dempster goes 2/3, he's 85%?

 

That's not too freaking bad. I'll take 6/7 out of my closer any day of the week.

 

Although God Marmol has been awesome in the 7th inning, I still want Dempster closing.

 

When Dempster is jumping into Kendall (should be Soto)'s arms after game 6 of the WS, I"ll take it.

[Sammy Sofa]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

 

Can Fred provide us with the numbers that show how many inherited 1-run leads Dempster has saved or lost?

 

In order for it to be relevant, you'd have to know how many saves and blown saves the average closer has in those situations. Average % is going to be a lot lower. I'll check what Dempster's done.

 

Well, whatever needs to be checked. I'm curious to see what his numbers in those situations look like.

[Guest]

So if Dempster goes 2/3, he's 85%?

 

That's not too freaking bad. I'll take 6/7 out of my closer any day of the week.

 

Although God Marmol has been awesome in the 7th inning, I still want Dempster closing.

 

When Dempster is jumping into Kendall (should be Soto)'s arms after game 6 of the WS, I"ll take it.

 

huh?

[CubColtPacer]

Let's ignore the fact that Dempster was in a jam because the leadoff hitter got on base on a groundball that hit first base.

 

 

regardless, dempster puts far too many runners on base to be an effective closer with 1 run leads.

 

Can Fred provide us with the numbers that show how many inherited 1-run leads Dempster has saved or lost?

 

By my quick count, Dempster is 7 out of 9 this season with a 1 run lead. In 5 of those 7 he went 1-2-3.

[apete6]

So if Dempster goes 2/3, he's 85%?

 

That's not too freaking bad. I'll take 6/7 out of my closer any day of the week.

 

Although God Marmol has been awesome in the 7th inning, I still want Dempster closing.

 

When Dempster is jumping into Kendall (should be Soto)'s arms after game 6 of the WS, I"ll take it.

 

huh?

 

I'm saying, I'll take 85% every time. Marmol has been awesome, but I still want Dempter closing. When he's celebrating winning the WS, I'll be happy, but dbags like you will be questioning why 85% Dempster will be out there.

 

Huh? Dbag, why waste a post.

[Sammy Sofa]

So if Dempster goes 2/3, he's 85%?

 

That's not too freaking bad. I'll take 6/7 out of my closer any day of the week.

 

Although God Marmol has been awesome in the 7th inning, I still want Dempster closing.

 

When Dempster is jumping into Kendall (should be Soto)'s arms after game 6 of the WS, I"ll take it.

 

huh?

 

I'm saying, I'll take 85% every time. Marmol has been awesome, but I still want Dempter closing. When he's celebrating winning the WS, I'll be happy, but dbags like you will be questioning why 85% Dempster will be out there.

 

Huh? Dbag, why waste a post.

 

What's with the name calling?

[apete6]

So if Dempster goes 2/3, he's 85%?

 

That's not too freaking bad. I'll take 6/7 out of my closer any day of the week.

 

Although God Marmol has been awesome in the 7th inning, I still want Dempster closing.

 

When Dempster is jumping into Kendall (should be Soto)'s arms after game 6 of the WS, I"ll take it.

 

huh?

 

I'm saying, I'll take 85% every time. Marmol has been awesome, but I still want Dempter closing. When he's celebrating winning the WS, I'll be happy, but dbags like you will be questioning why 85% Dempster will be out there.

 

Huh? Dbag, why waste a post.

 

What's with the name calling?

 

What's with him "huh" ing a pretty clear post?

 

Go Cubs, go Dempster. Go Marmol closing in 09 and getting an unfortunate HUGE raise.

[SouthSideRyan]

Demp is 7 for 9 in 1 run saves this year(1 of them pitching 1.2 IPs coming in the bases loaded!)

 

8 for 15 in '06

 

12 for 14 in '05.

 

I'd guarantee that 77% and 85% is above average for 1 run save %. Even 54% can't be that far below average I'm guessing.