Dempster

[Mephistopheles]

hes 25 for 28. thats an outstanding ratio.

[Mephistopheles]

Im more comfortable with that than I am the Cubs scoring 4 runs in a game. i can promise you that.

 

If that's the case, then you are having a hard time trusting the pitching too then? No?

 

youre missing the point like a fool who falls out of a boat at sea and misses the water.

[jersey cubs fan]

Dempster is not the problem! The bullpen is not the problem!!!!

 

OUR OFFENSE IS THE PROBLEM!

 

Sheez!

 

I agree, but if the offense scores 4 and the opposition scores 3, and we are in the 9th inning, whose job is it to get those last three outs?

 

Dempster......

 

And with that, I am not very comfortable....

 

Are you?

 

Would I prefer Putz? Yes. But I'm as comfortable with Dempster closing out a 1 run win as I am with just about anybody else doing their job on this team, outside of possibly Lilly throwing a quality start.

[C.C.]

Dempster is not the problem! The bullpen is not the problem!!!!

 

OUR OFFENSE IS THE PROBLEM!

 

Sheez!

 

I agree, but if the offense scores 4 and the opposition scores 3, and we are in the 9th inning, whose job is it to get those last three outs?

 

Dempster......

 

And with that, I am not very comfortable....

 

Are you?

 

I'm never comfortable no matter who is closing with a 1 run lead. Dempster has been good, it's just a bad day. It's Sept. 06 and we are still in the race with 24 games left. Get over what happened today and move on.

[swordsman]

Dempster is not the problem! The bullpen is not the problem!!!!

 

OUR OFFENSE IS THE PROBLEM!

 

Sheez!

 

I agree, but if the offense scores 4 and the opposition scores 3, and we are in the 9th inning, whose job is it to get those last three outs?

 

Dempster......

 

And with that, I am not very comfortable....

 

Are you?

 

I'm never comfortable no matter who is closing with a 1 run lead. Dempster has been good, it's just a bad day. It's Sept. 06 and we are still in the race with 24 games left. Get over what happened today and move on.

 

Bingo

[ragirag]

Im more comfortable with that than I am the Cubs scoring 4 runs in a game. i can promise you that.

 

If that's the case, then you are having a hard time trusting the pitching too then? No?

 

youre missing the point like a fool who falls out of a boat at sea and misses the water.

 

Nice..

 

If you feel you need your offense to score 6 or more runs a night to give your team a chance to win, then that's pretty sad.

 

If that's the case, you don't trust your pitching.

[Warren Brusstar]

Ryan has three blown saves this year, that's just one more than Jon Papelbon

 

Papelbon - 1.61 ERA, 75 K/15 walks, .77 WHIP

Dempster - 3.88 ERA, 48K/27 walks, 1.28 WHIP.

 

But hey, at least his performance in situations arbitrarily defined by a meaningless statistic is only marginally worse than Papelbons!

 

(Also, let's not mention the two tie games he entered and singlehandedly let get out of reach)

[NCCubFan]

Dempster's human. The very best relievers have a horrible outing now and then. This game sucked, because the Cubs don't have the cushion to be able to afford blowing a game like this. However, Dempster has been good on the whole, and he's been very good lately until today. Last year he had a bad season. This year he's had a good season with an occasional stinker here and there.

[C.C.]

Im more comfortable with that than I am the Cubs scoring 4 runs in a game. i can promise you that.

 

If that's the case, then you are having a hard time trusting the pitching too then? No?

 

youre missing the point like a fool who falls out of a boat at sea and misses the water.

 

Nice..

 

If you feel you need your offense to score 6 or more runs a night to give your team a chance to win, then that's pretty sad.

 

If that's the case, you don't trust your pitching.

 

You're being silly. You'd like your offense to be consistent and we are far, far from that. Our pitching is fine...

[Post Count Padder]

I'm not putting this on Dempster. He's been pretty good/ reliable as of late, and yes, he's due for a bad outing here and there. The offense should have scored a few more runs.

[rocket]

dempster is fine. every closer blows a save. ryan does it less frequently this year than other pitchers. to call for his removal for one bad game is ridiculous.

[ragirag]

Ryan has three blown saves this year, that's just one more than Jon Papelbon

 

Papelbon - 1.61 ERA, 75 K/15 walks, .77 WHIP

Dempster - 3.88 ERA, 48K/27 walks, 1.28 WHIP.

 

But hey, at least his performance in situations arbitrarily defined by a meaningless statistic is only marginally worse than Papelbons!

 

(Also, let's not mention the two tie games he entered and singlehandedly let get out of reach)

 

I can't believe how comfortable people are with Ryan closing out games.

 

I'm not arguing his numbers. I don't feel he is the best closer on the team, and when he's off, he is REALLY off, and allows more then just 1 run.. He allows the game to get into an unmanageable lead. Is that his fault? Yes.

 

You're closer should in no way allow 5 hits, and 4 runs in one inning.

[Mephistopheles]

Ryan has three blown saves this year, that's just one more than Jon Papelbon

 

Papelbon - 1.61 ERA, 75 K/15 walks, .77 WHIP

Dempster - 3.88 ERA, 48K/27 walks, 1.28 WHIP.

 

But hey, at least his performance in situations arbitrarily defined by a meaningless statistic is only marginally worse than Papelbons!

 

(Also, let's not mention the two tie games he entered and singlehandedly let get out of reach)

 

no ones saying dempster is as good as papelbon. (Demps ERA is over-represented by the two bad outings). The thing is Dempsters gotten the job done and most of the time out there hes been a quality closer. For a team thats hovering around .500, a spot where the team has been perfectly fine and above average is not the issue. Even when it cost them a game.

[weatherdood]

Ryan has three blown saves this year, that's just one more than Jon Papelbon

 

Papelbon - 1.61 ERA, 75 K/15 walks, .77 WHIP

Dempster - 3.88 ERA, 48K/27 walks, 1.28 WHIP.

 

But hey, at least his performance in situations arbitrarily defined by a meaningless statistic is only marginally worse than Papelbons!

 

(Also, let's not mention the two tie games he entered and singlehandedly let get out of reach)

 

no ones saying dempster is as good as papelbon. (Demps ERA is over-represented by the two bad outings). The thing is Dempsters gotten the job done and most of the time out there hes been a quality closer. For a team thats hovering around .500, a spot where the team has been perfectly fine and above average is not the issue. Even when it cost them a game.

 

Sure, he hasn't been Saito-esque, Valverde-esque, Papelbon-esque....but he's been rock solid. If you take out his 3-4 horrible outings, his ERA is likely well under 3....probably closer to 2.

[rocket]

Ryan has three blown saves this year, that's just one more than Jon Papelbon

 

Papelbon - 1.61 ERA, 75 K/15 walks, .77 WHIP

Dempster - 3.88 ERA, 48K/27 walks, 1.28 WHIP.

 

But hey, at least his performance in situations arbitrarily defined by a meaningless statistic is only marginally worse than Papelbons!

 

(Also, let's not mention the two tie games he entered and singlehandedly let get out of reach)

 

I can't believe how comfortable people are with Ryan closing out games.

 

I'm not arguing his numbers. I don't feel he is the best closer on the team, and when he's off, he is REALLY off, and allows more then just 1 run.. He allows the game to get into an unmanageable lead. Is that his fault? Yes.

 

You're closer should in no way allow 5 hits, and 4 runs in one inning.

 

but it happens. even to great ones.

 

the best hitter on your baseball team shouldn't go 0-4, but that happens too. everyone has a bad game.

[C.C.]

Ryan has three blown saves this year, that's just one more than Jon Papelbon

 

Papelbon - 1.61 ERA, 75 K/15 walks, .77 WHIP

Dempster - 3.88 ERA, 48K/27 walks, 1.28 WHIP.

 

But hey, at least his performance in situations arbitrarily defined by a meaningless statistic is only marginally worse than Papelbons!

 

(Also, let's not mention the two tie games he entered and singlehandedly let get out of reach)

 

I can't believe how comfortable people are with Ryan closing out games.

 

I'm not arguing his numbers. I don't feel he is the best closer on the team, and when he's off, he is REALLY off, and allows more then just 1 run.. He allows the game to get into an unmanageable lead. Is that his fault? Yes.

 

You're closer should in no way allow 5 hits, and 4 runs in one inning.

 

I'm going to reply to you one more time. Your anger is painfully misdirected. There is no reason to vent on Dempster for this one game or his 3 blown saves. He's done his job this year and has done it well. Steer your anger towards this pathetic-worthless-no power-offense. That's something to get pissed about.

[ragirag]

Ryan has three blown saves this year, that's just one more than Jon Papelbon

 

Papelbon - 1.61 ERA, 75 K/15 walks, .77 WHIP

Dempster - 3.88 ERA, 48K/27 walks, 1.28 WHIP.

 

But hey, at least his performance in situations arbitrarily defined by a meaningless statistic is only marginally worse than Papelbons!

 

(Also, let's not mention the two tie games he entered and singlehandedly let get out of reach)

 

I can't believe how comfortable people are with Ryan closing out games.

 

I'm not arguing his numbers. I don't feel he is the best closer on the team, and when he's off, he is REALLY off, and allows more then just 1 run.. He allows the game to get into an unmanageable lead. Is that his fault? Yes.

 

You're closer should in no way allow 5 hits, and 4 runs in one inning.

 

but it happens. even to great ones.

 

the best hitter on your baseball team shouldn't go 0-4, but that happens too. everyone has a bad game.

 

I get where you guys are going with this, but it doesn't make me any more comfortable.

 

Maybe he is our best closer, maybe I am just not happy with the offense and when we get down by more then 3 I panic? Who knows.

 

I still don't think the Cubs have what it takes to hang in there for a playoff run this season.. I just see them fading over these final few weeks.

[TruffleShuffle]

I still don't think the Cubs have what it takes to hang in there for a playoff run this season.. I just see them fading over these final few weeks.

 

Maybe, but if they do fade, the offense will be the culprit. Hell, it's the reason that the Cubs aren't running away with the division.

[C.C.]

Ryan has three blown saves this year, that's just one more than Jon Papelbon

 

Papelbon - 1.61 ERA, 75 K/15 walks, .77 WHIP

Dempster - 3.88 ERA, 48K/27 walks, 1.28 WHIP.

 

But hey, at least his performance in situations arbitrarily defined by a meaningless statistic is only marginally worse than Papelbons!

 

(Also, let's not mention the two tie games he entered and singlehandedly let get out of reach)

 

I can't believe how comfortable people are with Ryan closing out games.

 

I'm not arguing his numbers. I don't feel he is the best closer on the team, and when he's off, he is REALLY off, and allows more then just 1 run.. He allows the game to get into an unmanageable lead. Is that his fault? Yes.

 

You're closer should in no way allow 5 hits, and 4 runs in one inning.

 

but it happens. even to great ones.

 

the best hitter on your baseball team shouldn't go 0-4, but that happens too. everyone has a bad game.

 

I still don't think the Cubs have what it takes to hang in there for a playoff run this season.. I just see them fading over these final few weeks.

 

Why not? Remember a week and a half ago how bad the Brewers were playing. Blowing game after game in heartbreaking fashion. Falling below .500! Now they are tied for 1st! This division sucks! Dude, I promise you we'll be there right until the very end and we will win this thing. Hang in there man!

[Roast]

I was sitting next to some guys that were raggin' on dempster the entire damn game and it was really annoying. "This game's over if we put dumpster in there!"

 

"yeah, except that he's converted something like 13 saves in a row"

 

And then he comes in and goes 0-2 on every batter, but still up a double that was barely fair, Lee fails to field a groundball, and then gets hurt on a bad pitch by a wind-blown HR.

 

Yet it's all dempsters fault.

[C.C.]

I still don't think the Cubs have what it takes to hang in there for a playoff run this season.. I just see them fading over these final few weeks.

 

Maybe, but if they do fade, the offense will be the culprit. Hell, it's the reason that the Cubs aren't running away with the division.

 

I don't see them fading. I mean can the offense get any worse and we are still in first place!? We are due for another hot streak and hopefully Fonzie will stay hot.

[Sammy Sofa]

Damn, Dempster and his 3 blown saves are clearly crippling this team.

 

Totally.

 

Obviously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[Shavo]

Jones, Kendell, Floyd, Theriot, ect. = real problem.

[hawkeyecub]

Lost in all of this is the fact that Demp didn't pitch that poorly today. He gave up a hard-hit single to Martin. He then got the desired result (a ground ball) to the next batter and it was inches away from being a double play.

He didn't throw a bad pitch to Ethier and on a normal day that's a routine flyout.

 

He came in and threw strikes and wasn't even missing his spots by that much. A little bit of bad luck, bad conditions and some good hitting. It happens. He's 25/28. If Marmol had 28 save opportunities he probably would have blown 2-3 by now also.

[CuseCubFan69]

I realize that September division races magnify these types of games and the later they happen the more of a mental impact they are but I'm a firm believer in not blaming any player for a loss just as I don't say 1 player won the game. It's a team game and it's 9 innings, the Cubs had their chances throughout the game. The Cubs just have to bounce back tomorrow and win, they still control their own destiny.