Trachsel a Cub (this should be fun)

[Keener98]

Well this is somewhat encouraging from the Trib...

 

Trachsel is 6-8 with a 4.48 earned-run average at Baltimore but is 1-1 in six August starts with a 2.37 ERA. He'll likely become the long man in the bullpen and a spot starter as well. The Cubs will need a sixth starter for their Sept. 15 double-header at St. Louis.

 

If that's what he's used for...I'll cope.

 

I still would prefer Gallagher to start vs Stl then Trachsel

 

Gallagher has been hit hard in the majors this year. A 7.82 ERA and a 2.05 WHIP.

 

Now, for a year, I would be furious if they selected Trachsel over Gallagher. Gallagher is going to make adjustments and end up being better than Trachsel. Only 1 start though? I think Trachsel is the better option right now, especially since Trachsel has good numbers against the St. Louis lineup.

 

Now, like I've said before, that still wouldn't be justification for trading for him (they definitely overpaid), but I think Trachsel is an upgrade for that one game.

 

CCP, you are alot better with getting numbers than I am, so Im going to ask you. I think most of that ERA is from the blowout in CO? Other than that I remember 1 hr given up, and then pretty good performances, am I wrong?

[Burtonbell]

Ugh...typical Hendry move.

[waffle]

a starting pitcher who has been good of late for bits and pieces...

 

Um

 

I'd do it.

[Flames24Rulz]

I wasn't impressed at all with Cherry. I think he'll just flounder between AAA and the majors for the next few years. But trading both Moore and Cherry for Trachsel is pretty absurd.

[Keener98]

Well this is somewhat encouraging from the Trib...

 

Trachsel is 6-8 with a 4.48 earned-run average at Baltimore but is 1-1 in six August starts with a 2.37 ERA. He'll likely become the long man in the bullpen and a spot starter as well. The Cubs will need a sixth starter for their Sept. 15 double-header at St. Louis.

 

If that's what he's used for...I'll cope.

 

I still would prefer Gallagher to start vs Stl then Trachsel

 

You are kidding, right?

 

Actually, I'm pretty sure you're not.

 

Gallagher would be much less likely than Trachsel to go deep into the game.

 

Yea of course he would, because Trachsel has pitched so great this year its a given he would be better than Gallagher.......

[jersey cubs fan]

a starting pitcher who has been good of late for bits and pieces...

 

Um

 

I'd do it.

 

He hasn't been good, he's been lucky. 2.something ERA in August was done with 18 walks and 8 K. 1.53 WHIP as well, puts his peripherals right in-line with the rest of his crappy season.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Well...I guess we got a little more 'cagey' today. So there's that.

[CubColtPacer]

Well this is somewhat encouraging from the Trib...

 

Trachsel is 6-8 with a 4.48 earned-run average at Baltimore but is 1-1 in six August starts with a 2.37 ERA. He'll likely become the long man in the bullpen and a spot starter as well. The Cubs will need a sixth starter for their Sept. 15 double-header at St. Louis.

 

If that's what he's used for...I'll cope.

 

I still would prefer Gallagher to start vs Stl then Trachsel

 

Gallagher has been hit hard in the majors this year. A 7.82 ERA and a 2.05 WHIP.

 

Now, for a year, I would be furious if they selected Trachsel over Gallagher. Gallagher is going to make adjustments and end up being better than Trachsel. Only 1 start though? I think Trachsel is the better option right now, especially since Trachsel has good numbers against the St. Louis lineup.

 

Now, like I've said before, that still wouldn't be justification for trading for him (they definitely overpaid), but I think Trachsel is an upgrade for that one game.

 

CCP, you are alot better with getting numbers than I am, so Im going to ask you. I think most of that ERA is from the blowout in CO? Other than that I remember 1 hr given up, and then pretty good performances, am I wrong?

 

Gallagher had 7 outings

3.1 IP, 2 ER

0.1 IP, 0 ER

2.0 IP, 4 ER

1.1 IP, 1 ER

4 IP, 1 ER

1.0 IP, 0 ER

0.2 IP, 4 ER

 

Gallagher struggled the whole way through. He had 1 good outing (the 4 IP, 1 ER). The 1.0 IP he gave up a hit and a walk, but that's still a pretty good outing.

 

Gallagher's problems were the walks. He walked 12 in 12 2/3 IP. The only outing he didn't walk anybody in was the 1/3 of an inning outing.

Edited August 31, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[Burtonbell]

I wasn't impressed at all with Cherry. I think he'll just flounder between AAA and the majors for the next few years. But trading both Moore and Cherry for Trachsel is pretty absurd.

 

Hendry is just giving them a better trade now so that in the offseason all they will need to give the O's are a couple of scrubs for Tejada.

 

Or something like that.

[waffle]

a starting pitcher who has been good of late for bits and pieces...

 

Um

 

I'd do it.

 

He hasn't been good, he's been lucky. 2.something ERA in August was done with 18 walks and 8 K. 1.53 WHIP as well, puts his peripherals right in-line with the rest of his crappy season.

 

That is in something like 30 innings, hardly a random sample. and he has been going 6-7 per start...

 

Really, he's not sexy but he has been getting it done of late

[Keener98]

Well this is somewhat encouraging from the Trib...

 

Trachsel is 6-8 with a 4.48 earned-run average at Baltimore but is 1-1 in six August starts with a 2.37 ERA. He'll likely become the long man in the bullpen and a spot starter as well. The Cubs will need a sixth starter for their Sept. 15 double-header at St. Louis.

 

If that's what he's used for...I'll cope.

 

I still would prefer Gallagher to start vs Stl then Trachsel

 

Gallagher has been hit hard in the majors this year. A 7.82 ERA and a 2.05 WHIP.

 

Now, for a year, I would be furious if they selected Trachsel over Gallagher. Gallagher is going to make adjustments and end up being better than Trachsel. Only 1 start though? I think Trachsel is the better option right now, especially since Trachsel has good numbers against the St. Louis lineup.

 

Now, like I've said before, that still wouldn't be justification for trading for him (they definitely overpaid), but I think Trachsel is an upgrade for that one game.

 

CCP, you are alot better with getting numbers than I am, so Im going to ask you. I think most of that ERA is from the blowout in CO? Other than that I remember 1 hr given up, and then pretty good performances, am I wrong?

 

Gallagher had 7 outings

3.1 IP, 2 ER

0.1 IP, 0 ER

2.0 IP, 4 ER

1.1 IP, 1 ER

4 IP, 1 ER

1.0 IP, 0 ER

0.2 IP, 4 ER

 

Gallagher struggled the whole way through. He had 1 good outing (the 4 IP, 1 ER). The 1.0 IP he gave up a hit and a walk, but that's still a pretty good outing.

 

Gallagher's problems were the walks. He walked 12 in 12 2/3 IP. The only outing he didn't walk anybody in was the 1/3 of an inning one.

 

Considering he was coming in from the bullpen which he had never done, I think that can be attributed for alot of the walks. If I remember correctly Gallagher is known to have good control, and has had good control in the Minors while starting.

 

Also its no guarantee with the way Trach has pitched this year, that he can do better than Gallagher.

[Butterscup1679666578]

So...uh...

 

what?

 

Is he going to start? What's the deal with this trade?

 

edit: Nevermind, I see now. I'm not against him being a long man, we need one of those.

[Keener98]

a starting pitcher who has been good of late for bits and pieces...

 

Um

 

I'd do it.

 

He hasn't been good, he's been lucky. 2.something ERA in August was done with 18 walks and 8 K. 1.53 WHIP as well, puts his peripherals right in-line with the rest of his crappy season.

 

That is in something like 30 innings, hardly a random sample. and he has been going 6-7 per start...

 

Really, he's not sexy but he has been getting it done of late

 

What part of 1.52 WHIP and only 8 k's in those 30 innings do you consider it getting it done? Goony said hes been getting by on alot of luck, which those numbers prove. The ball gets put into play an awful lot when hes pitching, and he walks quite a few, thats not a good combination.

[jersey cubs fan]

a starting pitcher who has been good of late for bits and pieces...

 

Um

 

I'd do it.

 

He hasn't been good, he's been lucky. 2.something ERA in August was done with 18 walks and 8 K. 1.53 WHIP as well, puts his peripherals right in-line with the rest of his crappy season.

 

That is in something like 30 innings, hardly a random sample. and he has been going 6-7 per start...

 

Really, he's not sexy but he has been getting it done of late

 

What part of 1.52 WHIP and only 8 k's in those 30 innings do you consider it getting it done? Goony said hes been getting by on alot of luck, which those numbers prove. The ball gets put into play an awful lot when hes pitching, and he walks quite a few, thats not a good combination.

 

what he said.

[waffle]

a starting pitcher who has been good of late for bits and pieces...

 

Um

 

I'd do it.

 

He hasn't been good, he's been lucky. 2.something ERA in August was done with 18 walks and 8 K. 1.53 WHIP as well, puts his peripherals right in-line with the rest of his crappy season.

 

That is in something like 30 innings, hardly a random sample. and he has been going 6-7 per start...

 

Really, he's not sexy but he has been getting it done of late

 

What part of 1.52 WHIP and only 8 k's in those 30 innings do you consider it getting it done? Goony said hes been getting by on alot of luck, which those numbers prove. The ball gets put into play an awful lot when hes pitching, and he walks quite a few, thats not a good combination.

 

Lucky for a month? Lucky for 30 innings? Maybe he'll stay lucky?

 

Would you argue that ERA is just as valid a measure? Cuz for a month, it's been quite good.

 

I hope his luck holds.

 

Come on, this is a starting pitcher who has been getting into the 6th and 7th inning.

 

I liked Cherry ALOT, but this really seems like an easy trade.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lucky for a month? Lucky for 30 innings? Maybe he'll stay lucky?

 

Would you argue that ERA is just as valid a measure? Cuz for a month, it's been quite good.

 

I hope his luck holds.

 

Come on, this is a starting pitcher who has been getting into the 6th and 7th inning.

 

I liked Cherry ALOT, but this really seems like an easy trade.

 

No, his ERA is abnormally low given how he has actually pitched. He's walking guys, not striking them out but guys aren't scoring. That's luck. His peripherals suck for the year and they suck in August. His ERA sucks for the year but is good in August. The August ERA is the outlier. Steve Trachsel sucks.

[waffle]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

[Mizzou]

Nice addition. We gave up too much, but neither Moore nor Cherry will ever be good in the majors so it's not that big of a deal. Trachsel will help this team, I like the acquisition.

[Yestheydo]

We might could use a long man today.

 

With Marshall and Hill not used to pitching a ton of innings, and Marquis a first half pitcher, this is a decent option if one of those guys blows up completely.

[waffle]

Lucky for a month? Lucky for 30 innings? Maybe he'll stay lucky?

 

Would you argue that ERA is just as valid a measure? Cuz for a month, it's been quite good.

 

I hope his luck holds.

 

Come on, this is a starting pitcher who has been getting into the 6th and 7th inning.

 

I liked Cherry ALOT, but this really seems like an easy trade.

 

No, his ERA is abnormally low given how he has actually pitched. He's walking guys, not striking them out but guys aren't scoring. That's luck. His peripherals suck for the year and they suck in August. His ERA sucks for the year but is good in August. The August ERA is the outlier. Steve Trachsel sucks.

 

Understand. The #'s are not in his favor.

 

Again, I hope his luck holds.

 

But really, even if his ERA ends up being +/- 4.00 as a cub for the remainder of the year, he's still a durable starting pitcher. I like those.

[jersey cubs fan]

This just sounds like the usual negative reaction to pretty much everything Hendry does.

 

I'm not a Hendry defender. I personally would also have done this trade in a sec.

 

Then you aren't looking at this the least bit rationally. Hendry gets crap because he makes crap moves. How else do you barely break .500 over 5 seasons with a top tier payroll?

 

Steve Trachsel is a terrible pitcher. He was decent from time to time earlier in his career, but he sucked last year and he's sucked this year. He was destroyed late in the Mets postseason run last year, because he sucks. He's walking a ton of guys and not striking out anybody, and he's giving up a considerable amount of hits. He's been lucky in August that his ERA is as low as it has been.

[JonnyRed]

Mortgaging the future for a questionable upgrade of a team thats 4 games over .500...thats Cub baseball

 

You're kidding, right? Where exactly did Moore or Cherry fit into our future plans?

 

I'm in a wait and see mode on this move. Most people here bashed the Kendall trade as well, and we all know how that's turned out. Maybe we catch lightning in a bottle with Trachsel. He's had a solid August. If not, no biggie. He just sits on the bench. For those who want Gallagher, I'm not sure we want to rely on raw rookies the last few weeks of the season and into the playoffs. I'll take my chances with a guy who's been there.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ok, just got back from a long meeting...but my reactions.

 

1. I can't see how Traschel (who to me seems to be an unnecessary acquisition) is worth giving up Moore and Cherry.

 

2. While I think Traschel should or could have been had for less, Moore and Cherry really aren't needed that much. I always liked Moore, but his role for the time being would have simply been a LH bat off the bench. Cherry was behind a number of other right-handers.

 

3. In conclusion, I'm neutral here. I think we paid too much, but we gave up parts that weren't likely to contribute to our team anyway.

[anabiono]

after thinking about this trade for a little bit now...

 

i quite like it

 

actually...for as much bashing as hendry receives...i think he has done an exceptional job this season...barring the barrett trade...which really was just a dump trade, or at least it severely appears so...but...so be it...

 

i like the additions he has added and i think with these additions he has set this club up to make a run in every possible facet...

 

kudos hendry...sometimes you make me mad...but...you definitely deserve a "job well done" this season my man!

[JeffH]

Baseball's worst GM continues to push the limits of human incompetence.