Morgan better than Ryno again?

[gerby23]

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Morgan has now beaten Ryno in the Gold glove department too. Ryno lost out being left of the list in the All-Century Team and has now finished 3rd behind Morgan & Alomar for best fielding. The man gets no love.

 

Morgan also won in a narrow election. Known for his quickness in the AstroTurf era, he got 27 percent at second base and finished ahead of Roberto Alomar (22 percent), Ryne Sandberg (21 percent) and Bill Mazeroski (19 percent).

[daske17]

Just as we learned in the 2000 election, just because you earn the popular vote doesn't make you the winner.

[Warren Brusstar]

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Morgan has now beaten Ryno in the Gold glove department too. Ryno lost out being left of the list in the All-Century Team and has now finished 3rd behind Morgan & Alomar for best fielding. The man gets no love.

 

Morgan also won in a narrow election. Known for his quickness in the AstroTurf era, he got 27 percent at second base and finished ahead of Roberto Alomar (22 percent), Ryne Sandberg (21 percent) and Bill Mazeroski (19 percent).

 

Ryno was the greatest second baseman of his generation and a hall of famer. Morgan, however, was the greatest second baseman of all time.

 

(Of course, That doesn't change the fact that Morgan is an a$$clown of the highest order)

[Soul]

I would be interested to see how those numbers would have changed if it was Ryno who was on Sunday Night Baseball every week, and not Morgan.

 

But.......though I dislike Morgan to the extreme as an announcer, I'm not going to sit here and deny the guy's baseball talents. He was a fantastic player.

[MikeyLikesCubbies]

It helps when every Sunday night you can talk about how great you were (even making up stories about game winning hits that never happened) on national television. I hate Joe Morgan so much.

[gerby23]

I would be interested to see how those numbers would have changed if it was Ryno who was on Sunday Night Baseball every week, and not Morgan.

 

But.......though I dislike Morgan to the extreme as an announcer, I'm not going to sit here and deny the guy's baseball talents. He was a fantastic player.

No argument there. However, if, as you say, Ryno took every opportunity to toot his own horn, I am sure he would factor in much more to these votes.

Ryno was the greatest second baseman of his generation and a hall of famer. Morgan, however, was the greatest second baseman of all time.

Must disagree here. Morgan, while great, not the greatest ever. Was immensely helped by one of the best lineups in history and while winning this vote, was not half the fielder Sandberg was.

[NewUserName]

I would be interested to see how those numbers would have changed if it was Ryno who was on Sunday Night Baseball every week, and not Morgan.

 

But.......though I dislike Morgan to the extreme as an announcer, I'm not going to sit here and deny the guy's baseball talents. He was a fantastic player.

No argument there. However, if, as you say, Ryno took every opportunity to toot his own horn, I am sure he would factor in much more to these votes.

Ryno was the greatest second baseman of his generation and a hall of famer. Morgan, however, was the greatest second baseman of all time.

Must disagree here. Morgan, while great, not the greatest ever. Was immensely helped by one of the best lineups in history and while winning this vote, was not half the fielder Sandberg was.

 

 

How did the great lineup help him? His numbers did improve going from Houston to Cincinati but the Astrodome was probably the worst hitters park in baseball at the time and Riverfront probably leaned towards being a hitters park. I am not saying the lineup didnt help him but its not like he was chopped liver in a pretty bad hitters park. He was also just entering his prime when he joined the Reds. I dont know about all-time but he certainly was the best 2nd basemen of my lifetime. Also to say that he wasnt half the fielder Sandberg was is a little extreme. Joe Morgan was a great defensive 2nd baseman. Probably not as good as Sandberg but not a lot worse.

[SouthSideRyan]

Morgan was a better player than Sandberg. I don't know enough/trust the word on Morgan's fielding enough to make a judgement on his defense, but he was better all around.

[circlecitycub]

Morgan = 5 GG

Sandberg = 9 GG

[Soul]

Morgan = 5 GG

Sandberg = 9 GG

 

There are plenty of factors that go into that. I'm comfortable just saying they're both HOFers, I'd give the edge defensively to Ryno, and the fact that he's not a complete jerk matters to me, a lot, over Morgan.

[chuckywang]

Looking at the offensive stats for both players, the only thing that stands out in favor for Morgan was his OPS+.

[SouthSideRyan]

I left the board, and had to come back cause it clicked with me.

 

Ummmm Mazeroski??

[Derwood]

Morgan = 5 GG

Sandberg = 9 GG

 

two words: Rafael Palmeiro

[Electron Blue]

but didn't morgan invent the way a 2B flips the ball to the shortstop on doubleplay? :roll:

[Magnetic Curses]

can we just admit that morgan was a better player and leave it at that? he was, by the way.

[KyHen]

Ryno was the greatest second baseman of his generation and a hall of famer. Morgan, however, was the greatest second baseman of all time.

 

Rogers Hornsby.

[wolf stansson]

Morgan = 5 GG

Sandberg = 9 GG

 

two words: Rafael Palmeiro

That argument only works against non-cubs.

[Abe Frohman]

Roberto Alomar is a guy I think was a better 2nd baseman than Joe Morgan. He had twice as many Gold Gloves as Morgan as well.

[gerby23]

can we just admit that morgan was a better player and leave it at that? he was, by the way.

No, and your opinion.

I am not going to state as fact who was better or worse overall and all-time, because that would be my opinion, however, I will amend my previous statement. Morgan was 3/4 the fielder Sandberg was, better? And Sandberg does get left off many "all-time lists" unjustly.

[BigSlick]

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Morgan has now beaten Ryno in the Gold glove department too. Ryno lost out being left of the list in the All-Century Team and has now finished 3rd behind Morgan & Alomar for best fielding. The man gets no love.

 

Morgan also won in a narrow election. Known for his quickness in the AstroTurf era, he got 27 percent at second base and finished ahead of Roberto Alomar (22 percent), Ryne Sandberg (21 percent) and Bill Mazeroski (19 percent).

 

Joe Morgan is the best all-around second basemen of all time. (Fielding, batting, and from the stats and anecdotal evidence, a good baserunner)

[OleMissCub]

Ryno was the greatest second baseman of his generation and a hall of famer. Morgan, however, was the greatest second baseman of all time.

 

Rogers Hornsby.

 

+1

[SouthSideRyan]

Morgan = 5 GG

Sandberg = 9 GG

 

two words: Rafael Palmeiro

That argument only works against non-cubs.

 

Awfully sensitive lately.

[Post Count Padder]

Ryno was the greatest second baseman of his generation and a hall of famer. Morgan, however, was the greatest second baseman of all time.

 

Rogers Hornsby.

 

+1

+1

 

I wasn't alive yet, but from what I've read, Rajah was an amazing ballplayer.

[OleMissCub]

Ryno was the greatest second baseman of his generation and a hall of famer. Morgan, however, was the greatest second baseman of all time.

 

Rogers Hornsby.

 

+1

+1

 

I wasn't alive yet, but from what I've read, Rajah was an amazing ballplayer.

 

Ya, you're a badass if you put a season like this: .403/.489/.756, 210 OPS+, 39 HR, 143 RBI

[Derwood]

this whole thread is clouded by a heaping does of Cubs homerism mixed in with anti-announcer-Morgan sentiment.