Olney: MacPhail to become COO of Orioles, Girardi Mgr?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Call him up, Jim. Ask for Tejada!!!

 

I'm sure there are a few knuckleheads in our system that MacPhail is in love with.

 

Maybe he'll persuade Angelos to bring Hendry aboard.

[Amazing_Grace]

It's worth it as long as he plays SS. He was a bargain playing the way he has the past 2 seasons. He's still hitting .302 with a .355 OBP. His major drop has been in SLG (over 80 points), and his OPS is still over .750. There just aren't a lot of shortstops that are good or even mediocre hitters.

 

That said, it would take a lot to get Tejada. I think you'd have to get the O's to take one of Marquis/Lilly to make the salarys work for 08 and 09. What else it would take to get him, I don't know? I imagine they will want a lot, maybe more than the Cubs have to give. If they'd take a deal of Murton, Guzman, and Lilly or Marquis, I'd probably do it.

 

The deal also would preclude the signing of Zambrano, one would think, which raises the possibility of something like Tejada for Zambrano and Izturis. The O's need pitching in the worst way to compete in that division, and probably will have the money to re-up Zambrano. A trade like this would probably only work if the O's could reach an agreement on an extension with Z prior to the trade. The deal would basically be a wash in the payroll department, as Z/Izturis make similar to what Tejada does this year, and Z figures to cost about the same as Tejada in his new deal. The Cubs would end up spending about what they would have spent to resign Z on a per year basis, but have fewer years committed. I would definitely approve of a deal like this.

 

First, Baltimore needs to decide on a direction for their organization. The past couple of years, it's been a piecemeal attempt at respectability. They either need to commit to spending (ala the 2007 Cubs) or rebuilding (ala the 2003 Indians).

 

If it's the former, then a Z + Izturis trade for Tejada would be feasible, but not overly beneficial to the Cubs. With the way Z has pitched in his past couple of outings, Tejada's offense won't counteract Z's absence.

 

However, if they commit to rebuilding, I would be willing to part with Marshall + EPatt + another pitching prospect for Tejada.

 

The problem with this is that it's highly highly unlikely the Cubs can afford to both take on Tejada's contract and re-sign Zambrano. You're talking about adding 20M to a team that's already looking at a 100-105M dollar payroll next year. I just don't see the Cubs raising payroll that much in one offseason, let alone an offseason where the team is being sold.

 

If you're talking about just trying to make the playoffs this season and to heck with next year, then your trade would make sense. However, giving up Marshall and another pitching prospect plus EPatt is going to leave a giant hole in the starting rotation next season and the Cubs won't have the money to fill it. I don't think the Cubs can afford to trade Marshall or Hill without knowing what will happen with Z. Good pitching is just way too hard to come by. Assuming we make the trade you say, and the pitching prospect is someone pretty meaningless like a Luke Hagerty, then we don't re-sign Zambrano next season, our rotation would be Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Guzman?, ????. I can't say I'm comfortable with that, Tejada or not.

 

The other alternative is to get the O's to take on some contracts that would even out the deal money wise, say 2 of Jones/Howry/Eyre/Dempster, then it becomes possible, maybe, to get Z back next season with Tejada and you can trade them Marshall. Perhaps a Marshall, Izturis, Jones, Dempster, Veal, EPatt for Tejada and probably a couple throw ins like a Jay Gibbons or Brandon Fahey so the O's wouldn't have quite such a nightmare with their 40 man roster. If we did that, the big money crunch would come in 09, but the Cubs would probably be able to move Lilly or Marquis by that point, especially if they continue to pitch well. If the O's were willing to pay part of his salary in 08/09, it would eliminate the need to move salarys around.

[RedIvyCub]

I was just reading the story on ESPN, and in the third paragraph it mentions that "MacPhail won two World Series championships with the Twins in 1987 and 1991."

 

I find it curious that it makes no mention of his failures as Cubs GM for an approximate 10 year period of time.

 

Maybe because he was only the GM for two years of his tenure here? Get your facts straight.

 

You definetly work for the Tribune company.

 

Why, because I told him to get his facts straight? Those are the facts. MacPhail was Cubs GM from July 2000 to July 2002...TWO years. I just happen to pay more attention to the business side of the game because it fascinates me.

 

That doesn't mean that I work for Tribune Company.

 

I think the responses to my post shows why I don't have a lot of posts for the number of years that I have been a member of this community.

 

And why is that exactly?

 

Because it seems if I comment I either am ignored or attacked. Not very enjoyable for me.

[RedIvyCub]

I was just reading the story on ESPN, and in the third paragraph it mentions that "MacPhail won two World Series championships with the Twins in 1987 and 1991."

 

I find it curious that it makes no mention of his failures as Cubs GM for an approximate 10 year period of time.

 

Maybe because he was only the GM for two years of his tenure here? Get your facts straight.

 

You definetly work for the Tribune company.

 

Why, because I told him to get his facts straight? Those are the facts. MacPhail was Cubs GM from July 2000 to July 2002...TWO years. I just happen to pay more attention to the business side of the game because it fascinates me.

 

That doesn't mean that I work for Tribune Company.

 

I think the responses to my post shows why I don't have a lot of posts for the number of years that I have been a member of this community.

I just seems that everytime there is bashing of old Andy around here, you show up. Regardless of how much time he served as GM, Andy Failure was a disgrace to this organization, whether as President or GM, and I find it hillarious that another organization would give him anything better than a mop job.

 

And you are entitled to your opinion. When I offer mine, I get my head bit off.

 

I do think if you check my posts that I comment on other subjects as well...I am usually ignored. Suspect it is because I am a girl.

[daske17]

The problem with this is that it's highly highly unlikely the Cubs can afford to both take on Tejada's contract and re-sign Zambrano. You're talking about adding 20M to a team that's already looking at a 100-105M dollar payroll next year. I just don't see the Cubs raising payroll that much in one offseason, let alone an offseason where the team is being sold.

 

If you're talking about just trying to make the playoffs this season and to heck with next year, then your trade would make sense. However, giving up Marshall and another pitching prospect plus EPatt is going to leave a giant hole in the starting rotation next season and the Cubs won't have the money to fill it. I don't think the Cubs can afford to trade Marshall or Hill without knowing what will happen with Z. Good pitching is just way too hard to come by. Assuming we make the trade you say, and the pitching prospect is someone pretty meaningless like a Luke Hagerty, then we don't re-sign Zambrano next season, our rotation would be Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Guzman?, ????. I can't say I'm comfortable with that, Tejada or not.

 

The other alternative is to get the O's to take on some contracts that would even out the deal money wise, say 2 of Jones/Howry/Eyre/Dempster, then it becomes possible, maybe, to get Z back next season with Tejada and you can trade them Marshall. Perhaps a Marshall, Izturis, Jones, Dempster, Veal, EPatt for Tejada and probably a couple throw ins like a Jay Gibbons or Brandon Fahey so the O's wouldn't have quite such a nightmare with their 40 man roster. If we did that, the big money crunch would come in 09, but the Cubs would probably be able to move Lilly or Marquis by that point, especially if they continue to pitch well. If the O's were willing to pay part of his salary in 08/09, it would eliminate the need to move salarys around.

 

I agree wholeheartedly, and was thinking strictly from the "win now" mentality that seems to have Hendry by the short and curlies.

 

If we offer a package of Marshall + Izturis + EPatt + Hagerty, the O's should pony up about half of Tejada's remaining cash. They're still getting cost-effective players and have additional funds to use on mid-level free agents if need be.

 

I think that'll be enough to keep Zambrano in the fold, and someone like Neal Cotts could fill in on the 5th starter position next year.

[J.R.]

I was just reading the story on ESPN, and in the third paragraph it mentions that "MacPhail won two World Series championships with the Twins in 1987 and 1991."

 

I find it curious that it makes no mention of his failures as Cubs GM for an approximate 10 year period of time.

 

Maybe because he was only the GM for two years of his tenure here? Get your facts straight.

 

You definetly work for the Tribune company.

 

Why, because I told him to get his facts straight? Those are the facts. MacPhail was Cubs GM from July 2000 to July 2002...TWO years. I just happen to pay more attention to the business side of the game because it fascinates me.

 

That doesn't mean that I work for Tribune Company.

 

I think the responses to my post shows why I don't have a lot of posts for the number of years that I have been a member of this community.

 

CARRIE!

[jersey cubs fan]

Because it seems if I comment I either am ignored or attacked. Not very enjoyable for me.

 

Using a comment like "get your facts straight" is probably going to create reactions you deem to be an attack. Had you simply made a comment, and not added that bit, I don't think anybody would have said anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

someone like Neal Cotts could fill in on the 5th starter position next year.

 

God I hope not.

[jersey cubs fan]

I do think if you check my posts that I comment on other subjects as well...I am usually ignored. Suspect it is because I am a girl.

 

I think you're a little paranoid. I'm not sure why you think everybody would know you're a girl in the first place. I doubt people are purposefully ignoring you. If you haven't written much people won't know who you are, and if you write something that nobody responds to, it's probably because they don't have any response, not because they are out to get you or hate girls.

[Amazing_Grace]

The problem with this is that it's highly highly unlikely the Cubs can afford to both take on Tejada's contract and re-sign Zambrano. You're talking about adding 20M to a team that's already looking at a 100-105M dollar payroll next year. I just don't see the Cubs raising payroll that much in one offseason, let alone an offseason where the team is being sold.

 

If you're talking about just trying to make the playoffs this season and to heck with next year, then your trade would make sense. However, giving up Marshall and another pitching prospect plus EPatt is going to leave a giant hole in the starting rotation next season and the Cubs won't have the money to fill it. I don't think the Cubs can afford to trade Marshall or Hill without knowing what will happen with Z. Good pitching is just way too hard to come by. Assuming we make the trade you say, and the pitching prospect is someone pretty meaningless like a Luke Hagerty, then we don't re-sign Zambrano next season, our rotation would be Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Guzman?, ????. I can't say I'm comfortable with that, Tejada or not.

 

The other alternative is to get the O's to take on some contracts that would even out the deal money wise, say 2 of Jones/Howry/Eyre/Dempster, then it becomes possible, maybe, to get Z back next season with Tejada and you can trade them Marshall. Perhaps a Marshall, Izturis, Jones, Dempster, Veal, EPatt for Tejada and probably a couple throw ins like a Jay Gibbons or Brandon Fahey so the O's wouldn't have quite such a nightmare with their 40 man roster. If we did that, the big money crunch would come in 09, but the Cubs would probably be able to move Lilly or Marquis by that point, especially if they continue to pitch well. If the O's were willing to pay part of his salary in 08/09, it would eliminate the need to move salarys around.

 

I agree wholeheartedly, and was thinking strictly from the "win now" mentality that seems to have Hendry by the short and curlies.

 

If we offer a package of Marshall + Izturis + EPatt + Hagerty, the O's should pony up about half of Tejada's remaining cash. They're still getting cost-effective players and have additional funds to use on mid-level free agents if need be.

 

I think that'll be enough to keep Zambrano in the fold, and someone like Neal Cotts could fill in on the 5th starter position next year.

 

Well, with the ownership change, next season is probably going to be a throw away season anyway, so I can definitely see the logic.

[Amazing_Grace]

I do think if you check my posts that I comment on other subjects as well...I am usually ignored. Suspect it is because I am a girl.

 

This is the Internet. How can anyone tell that you're a girl unless you tell them? :-$

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I was just reading the story on ESPN, and in the third paragraph it mentions that "MacPhail won two World Series championships with the Twins in 1987 and 1991."

 

I find it curious that it makes no mention of his failures as Cubs GM for an approximate 10 year period of time.

 

Maybe because he was only the GM for two years of his tenure here? Get your facts straight.

 

You definetly work for the Tribune company.

 

Why, because I told him to get his facts straight? Those are the facts. MacPhail was Cubs GM from July 2000 to July 2002...TWO years. I just happen to pay more attention to the business side of the game because it fascinates me.

 

That doesn't mean that I work for Tribune Company.

 

I think the responses to my post shows why I don't have a lot of posts for the number of years that I have been a member of this community.

 

CARRIE!

 

or Sharon!

 

It's one or the other.

[BigbadB]

Post something controversial and you'll get all kinds of responses. Post something that most agree with, and very few will have much to add.

 

"Get your facts straight" is controversial. There ya go. People are responding.

[BigbadB]

I was just reading the story on ESPN, and in the third paragraph it mentions that "MacPhail won two World Series championships with the Twins in 1987 and 1991."

 

I find it curious that it makes no mention of his failures as Cubs GM for an approximate 10 year period of time.

 

Maybe because he was only the GM for two years of his tenure here? Get your facts straight.

 

You definetly work for the Tribune company.

 

Why, because I told him to get his facts straight? Those are the facts. MacPhail was Cubs GM from July 2000 to July 2002...TWO years. I just happen to pay more attention to the business side of the game because it fascinates me.

 

That doesn't mean that I work for Tribune Company.

 

I think the responses to my post shows why I don't have a lot of posts for the number of years that I have been a member of this community.

 

CARRIE!

 

or Sharon!

 

It's one or the other.

 

No fishing expeditions, please.

[Balsa]

Sucks for Baltimore. Those poor Baltimore fans. :?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Sucks for Baltimore. Those poor Baltimore fans. :?

 

Where's Cal Ripken to the rescue when you need him? :D

[The Voice of Reason]

I was just reading the story on ESPN, and in the third paragraph it mentions that "MacPhail won two World Series championships with the Twins in 1987 and 1991."

 

I find it curious that it makes no mention of his failures as Cubs GM for an approximate 10 year period of time.

 

Maybe because he was only the GM for two years of his tenure here? Get your facts straight.

 

You definetly work for the Tribune company.

 

Why, because I told him to get his facts straight? Those are the facts. MacPhail was Cubs GM from July 2000 to July 2002...TWO years. I just happen to pay more attention to the business side of the game because it fascinates me.

 

That doesn't mean that I work for Tribune Company.

 

I think the responses to my post shows why I don't have a lot of posts for the number of years that I have been a member of this community.

I just seems that everytime there is bashing of old Andy around here, you show up. Regardless of how much time he served as GM, Andy Failure was a disgrace to this organization, whether as President or GM, and I find it hillarious that another organization would give him anything better than a mop job.

 

And you are entitled to your opinion. When I offer mine, I get my head bit off.

 

I do think if you check my posts that I comment on other subjects as well...I am usually ignored. Suspect it is because I am a girl.

 

 

Be patient. It took me a while to get full and complete adulation from this board. It has to be earned.

[sethuel1]

I wanted to post in this thread, but now that I know a girl is posting in it I've deemed it not worth my time to do so.

[Chocolate Milk]

I wanted to post in this thread, but now that I know a girl is posting in it I've deemed it not worth my time to do so.

 

I knew RedIvy was a girl as soon as she made everything about her.

[sunnydoo]

Where's Cal Ripken to the rescue when you need him? :D

 

He hosts a weekly baseball show on XM Radio.

 

Heard him this weekend and now i know he knew that this was going to happen. He said that he wasnt interested right now in managing until his kids get into college b/c he wanted to spend time with them.

 

Him and his brother own the Aberdeen Orioles farm club, i believe.

[Derwood]

Where's Cal Ripken to the rescue when you need him? :D

 

He hosts a weekly baseball show on XM Radio.

 

Heard him this weekend and now i know he knew that this was going to happen. He said that he wasnt interested right now in managing until his kids get into college b/c he wanted to spend time with them.

 

Him and his brother own the Aberdeen Orioles farm club, i believe.

 

yes, except they are the Aberdeen IronBirds

[Guest]

Be patient. It took me a while to get full and complete adulation from this board. It has to be earned.

 

Hah!

[bobbyd20]

 

First, Baltimore needs to decide on a direction for their organization. The past couple of years, it's been a piecemeal attempt at respectability. They either need to commit to spending (ala the 2007 Cubs) or rebuilding (ala the 2003 Indians).

 

If it's the former, then a Z + Izturis trade for Tejada would be feasible, but not overly beneficial to the Cubs. With the way Z has pitched in his past couple of outings, Tejada's offense won't counteract Z's absence.

 

However, if they commit to rebuilding, I would be willing to part with Marshall + EPatt + another pitching prospect for Tejada.

 

I'd say that MacPhail will fit right in at Baltimore. He perfected the piecemeal philosophy while in Chicago.

[Soriano12]

I really still am amazed an organization would even consider the Failure for a front office job He really is one of the worst possible choices on the market. What philosophy does he bring to the table? He refuses to spend big money on FA's...so forget the Yankees model. He hires GM's that don't know crap about player development. Though he appears as a intellectual type of guy, he obviously gives no consideration to modern statistical methods, as evidenced again by his GM choices. I think his only strenght is being a little ass kissing turd that people seem to like around the league.

[RedIvyCub]

I was just reading the story on ESPN, and in the third paragraph it mentions that "MacPhail won two World Series championships with the Twins in 1987 and 1991."

 

I find it curious that it makes no mention of his failures as Cubs GM for an approximate 10 year period of time.

 

Maybe because he was only the GM for two years of his tenure here? Get your facts straight.

 

You definetly work for the Tribune company.

 

Why, because I told him to get his facts straight? Those are the facts. MacPhail was Cubs GM from July 2000 to July 2002...TWO years. I just happen to pay more attention to the business side of the game because it fascinates me.

 

That doesn't mean that I work for Tribune Company.

 

I think the responses to my post shows why I don't have a lot of posts for the number of years that I have been a member of this community.

 

CARRIE!

 

or Sharon!

 

It's one or the other.

 

Wrong on both counts. Those ladies don't read message boards.