Barrett's Cub Days Could Be Numbered...

[Balsa]

Don't trade Barrett. At least not right now.

 

I might even re-sign him for cheap.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I wouldnt settle for anything less than Hawpe, Holliday and Larry Walker in his prime. Think they might throw in Bichette, too?

 

Well, Bichette did a nice job of coaching little leaguers a in the LLWS a few years back. So, maybe he could help the Cubs in some way. :(

[baseball7897]

Don't trade Barrett. At least not right now.

 

I might even re-sign him for cheap.

 

His defensive and offensive skills seem to be on the decline. Now would be the time to trade him if you want anything of value in return. Then again, being that he is going to be a FA after this year, i really don't see the Cubs getting anything better than a B prospect in return. And that is even pushing it.

[Sarcastic]

Don't trade Barrett. At least not right now.

 

I might even re-sign him for cheap.

 

His defensive and offensive skills seem to be on the decline. Now would be the time to trade him if you want anything of value in return. Then again, being that he is going to be a FA after this year, i really don't see the Cubs getting anything better than a B prospect in return. And that is even pushing it.

 

Which is exactly why you shouldn't trade your best available catcher.

[Rob]

If we could get Chris Iannetta for Barrett and Jones, I'd do it. Hell, I'd even throw in Cesar Izturis and Scott Eyre if they wanted em.

[NCCubFan]

screw that...barrett and jones for tulowitzski

 

Tulowitzki has been awful this year, granted he has big upside. Theriot and Tulowitzki have virtually been the same plyer, except Tulowitzki has hit a couple more dingers and Theriot has stolen more bases. Adding Tulowitzki would be a wash with the way he's playing right now, we might as well keep Theirot at SS and Fontenot at 2B. Plus if we trade Barrett we need a bat to supplement the loss of power from his position, and Hawpe fits the bill as well as the debacle in RF, and I'd miuch rather have Hawpe and his 139OPS+ over Tulowitzki's 84OPS+

 

Considering Tulowitzki was called up last season, the Cubs would have him under their control for a considerable amount of time. He also skipped AAA altogether, so some of his development time went flying out the window.

 

He'll get better with time. I'd do Jones + Barrett for Tulo in a heartbeat. However, something tells me that's not going to happen.

 

The Rockies have a pretty good system talent-wise, although many of them have been struggling or putting up unimpressive numbers on the season with a few exceptions (Greg Reynolds). Plus, the team has shown a complete blasé attitude about throwing around cash towards players who don't deserve it...so something tells me money wouldn't be a factor in terms of acquiring talent. I think they'd make a good trade partner.

 

Franklin Morales, please. I think he might be hurt right now, though. Morales or Tulowitski would be nice, but there's zero chance of it happening.

 

Yeah, as nice as adding Tulo would be, he is their #1 prospect and I dounbt trading them two older players with expensive contracts in comparison would be high on their to do list

Maybe if we add Izturis to the package. :D

[OleMissCub]

Barrett and Jones to Colorado for Brad Hawpe? Can't hit lefties? Call up Murton, platoon them

 

I'd take that. Gives us 3 LSU players. :-)

[soccer10k]

Don't trade Barrett. At least not right now.

 

I might even re-sign him for cheap.

 

I doubt Barrett comes cheap in the offseason. Somebody will pay him decent money and likely in the AL where he can DH.

[soccer10k]

Trading Barrett to an AL team seems to make more sense, but what do I know.

 

Which AL teams could use a C/DH? The Halos perhaps?

 

Nah. They are pretty happy with Napoli. Oakland hasn't been happy with Kendall, but I think they're kind of stuck with him.

 

The A's are actually going to have Piazza play a bit at catcher when he comes back from his shoulder injury. It probably wouldn't be a full time thing just part time.

[Sarcastic]

Don't trade Barrett. At least not right now.

 

I might even re-sign him for cheap.

 

I doubt Barrett comes cheap in the offseason. Somebody will pay him decent money and likely in the AL where he can DH.

 

Who would pay Barrett big money to DH? His bat isn't that valuable by DH standards.

[SouthSideRyan]

Don't trade Barrett. At least not right now.

 

I might even re-sign him for cheap.

 

I doubt Barrett comes cheap in the offseason. Somebody will pay him decent money and likely in the AL where he can DH.

 

Who would pay Barrett big money to DH? His bat isn't that valuable by DH standards.

 

Pretty sure he meant to keep him fresh, like 80-100 games at catcher, 40-60 at DH.

[jersey cubs fan]

Don't trade Barrett. At least not right now.

 

I might even re-sign him for cheap.

 

I doubt Barrett comes cheap in the offseason. Somebody will pay him decent money and likely in the AL where he can DH.

 

Who would pay Barrett big money to DH? His bat isn't that valuable by DH standards.

 

Pretty sure he meant to keep him fresh, like 80-100 games at catcher, 40-60 at DH.

 

It should also be noted that only 7 AL teams are getting an OPS over 800 from the DH spot. Despite the presence of prototypical DHs like David Ortiz and Gary Sheffield, most teams are using a mix of players out there who are far from ideal. Only 5 guys qualify for the batting title from the DH spot. There's not a lot of true DH candidates. Barrett could be relatively valuable with an AL team if he was able to cut down on his games caught, to the tune of 80-90 games per year, then just concentrate on hitting for 2-3 days a week.

 

The Angels, for instance, are getting very little production from both their DH spot and C.

[Derwood]

I wouldnt settle for anything less than Hawpe, Holliday and Larry Walker in his prime. Think they might throw in Bichette, too?

 

i'd have to say no unless we also get a pre-cancer Big Cat

[sunnydoo]

The Angels, for instance, are getting very little production from both their DH spot and C.

 

One of the guys i would be interested in replacing Barrett for is Napoli.

 

Napoli .243/.341/.454/.785, 25 yrs old and threw out 31% of runners last year (although he has sucked at 20% this year) in 48 games. Also only 2 PBs in 716 innings last year, 1 in 406 this year.

 

v.

 

Barrett .252/.305/.427/.732, 30 yr old FA in 50 games. 10 PB in 852 innings last year, 8 in 466 this year.

 

Angels pitching staff isnt that much different than the Cubs...fastball/slider city.

 

Doesnt look like much of an upgrade to me. Maybe the Angels go for it, but i think they would be crazy.

[baseball7897]

The Angels, for instance, are getting very little production from both their DH spot and C.

 

One of the guys i would be interested in replacing Barrett for is Napoli.

 

Napoli .243/.341/.454/.785, 25 yrs old and threw out 31% of runners last year (although he has sucked at 20% this year) in 48 games. Also only 2 PBs in 716 innings last year, 1 in 406 this year.

 

v.

 

Barrett .252/.305/.427/.732, 30 yr old FA in 50 games. 10 PB in 852 innings last year, 8 in 466 this year.

 

Angels pitching staff isnt that much different than the Cubs...fastball/slider city.

 

Doesnt look like much of an upgrade to me. Maybe the Angels go for it, but i think they would be crazy.

 

Napoli is not going to be traded.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I wouldnt settle for anything less than Hawpe, Holliday and Larry Walker in his prime. Think they might throw in Bichette, too?

 

i'd have to say no unless we also get a pre-cancer Big Cat

 

um, are we forgetting we need a catcher in return? Kirt Manwaring plz

[Derwood]

I wouldnt settle for anything less than Hawpe, Holliday and Larry Walker in his prime. Think they might throw in Bichette, too?

 

i'd have to say no unless we also get a pre-cancer Big Cat

 

um, are we forgetting we need a catcher in return? Kirt Manwaring plz

 

we've got it all wrong. We can solve our SS problem with Walt Weiss while platooning Floyd with Ellis Burks in RF

[sunnydoo]

Another thought is if Hendry got together with Beane again and did something involving Kendall and Jones + B Prospect.

 

Kendall is due about 7.5m left this year and then will be a FA. They have Piazza returning soon and want to use him as a catcher more so as to take advantage of Cust's bat. They also want to get time for Suzuki to see if he is in fact their catcher of the future.

 

Jones would be re-paired with his buddy Shannon Stewart back over in the AL. He is due 8.42M left over this season (3.42M) and next year (5.3M) with us. That would clear Billy about 4M more in payroll to deal for another piece, solidify a hurt OF, and give him a B prospect to play with.

 

Kendall does have a NT, so Jimmy would have to be nice.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Another thought is if Hendry got together with Beane again and did something involving Kendall and Jones + B Prospect.

 

Kendall is due about 7.5m left this year and then will be a FA. They have Piazza returning soon and want to use him as a catcher more so as to take advantage of Cust's bat. They also want to get time for Suzuki to see if he is in fact their catcher of the future.

 

Jones would be re-paired with his buddy Shannon Stewart back over in the AL. He is due 8.42M left over this season (3.42M) and next year (5.3M) with us. That would clear Billy about 4M more in payroll to deal for another piece, solidify a hurt OF, and give him a B prospect to play with.

 

But then we have Jason Kendall.

[UK1679666180]

The same reasons why they would get rid of Barrett, would now be applied to Kendall.

 

1)Old in catcher years.

2)Bad defensively.

3)Struggling offensively.

 

Right now, he's Barrett w/out power.

[sunnydoo]

But then we have Jason Kendall.

 

Yep, an upgrade at Catcher for us. We then trade Barrett to the AL.

 

Clears 2 problems with 1 stone.

[E.J.]

But then we have Jason Kendall.

 

Yep, an upgrade at Catcher for us. We then trade Barrett to the AL.

 

Clears 2 problems with 1 stone.

 

What part of .224/.264/.269 would exactly be an upgrade? Kendall also has 6 PB and 4 errors to Barrett's 8 PB and 5 errors.

[UK1679666180]

But then we have Jason Kendall.

 

Yep, an upgrade at Catcher for us. We then trade Barrett to the AL.

 

Clears 2 problems with 1 stone.

 

What part of .224/.264/.269 would exactly be an upgrade? Kendall also has 6 PB and 4 errors to Barrett's 8 PB and 5 errors.

 

While Barrett has thrown 17% of the runners, Kendall has thrown out 19%.

[sunnydoo]

The same reasons why they would get rid of Barrett, would now be applied to Kendall.

 

1)Old in catcher years.

2)Bad defensively.

3)Struggling offensively.

 

Right now, he's Barrett w/out power.

 

1- He is a FA at years end just like Barrett, so its not a long term solution.

2- He is nowhere near as bad defensively as Barrett. He had 7 PB in 1254 innings last year, and 6 in 544 so far this year. He did throw out 30% last season, but only 19% so far this year in stealing. Would expect that might come up a bit. Barrett is 10 in 852 last year and 8 in 466 this year. 19% and 17% in stealing throws.

3- He is struggling. .533 OPS is horrible. His .709 last year was also not good. But Kendall has always been a 2nd half hitter (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5562/splits;_ylt=An4oXuknM.zQBd6UKH5LC7SFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting) and he will be going from a 96 ballpark to a 104, so one would expect that his offense might rise as well.

4- We clear the OF out a bit and arent hamstrung by Jones next year.

 

 

Lifetime #s for Kendall in Wrigley:

Wrigley Field 51 179 28 50 12 2 2 28 18 17 2 4 .279 .378 .402 .780

Edited June 19, 2007 by sunnydoo

[UK1679666180]

Kendall is just as bad defensively, teams run on him at will, he doesn't have the same mobility as he once did. His game calling skills have been subpar, the only he doesn't do as much as Barrett is the occasional mental gaff.

 

Looking at a C that is 32/33 yo. hitting horribly thru 60+ games while playing bad defense with a large contract for the remainder of the year on a team that is below .500 with a C at AAA having a great year that would knock the socks off of Kendall defensively, doesn't make sense.

 

(yay run-ons!)