Dunn on the market

[SouthSideRyan]

However, he seems to not like Dunn very much mentioning that he "kills rallies".

 

Steve Phillips not a big Dunn fan = more reason for a team to trade for him.

 

The rally killer label is something that you can blame the saber geeks for in this case. Dunn's Babip is very avg. career wise. He seemingly only walks, k's, and hits HR. Some GMs only really want guys who can put the ball into play....but obviously Hendry isnt one of those guys.

 

Havent looked at it in a while, but would be interested to see how the shift has been affecting his avg. Either way, there is cause for concern for a team in getting him that needs him to advance runners ie continue rallys(most contenders have multiple run producers) instead of just driving them in (only 1 or 2 run producers).

 

Walks and HRs don't continue rallies?$

[Omar]

Git-R-DONE Hendry!

[TruffleShuffle]

Git-R-DONE Hendry!

 

please don't say that ever again

[RyCubsFan]

How the heck does Dunn have 7 stolen bases in 8 attempts this year?

[wade]

How the heck does Dunn have 7 stolen bases in 8 attempts this year?

 

The catcher got lucky one time.

[RyCubsFan]

How the heck does Dunn have 7 stolen bases in 8 attempts this year?

 

The catcher got lucky one time.

 

Last year he was 7 for 7!

[Abe Frohman]

Rather have Brad Hawpe. Might as well load up on ex-LSU players.

[chopsx9]

The rally killer label is something that you can blame the saber geeks for in this case.

 

Uh, I'm pretty sure that the "saber geeks" would laugh at the concept of Adam Dunn being a rally killer.

 

That's true he's kept more than a few opponents rally's going quite nicely.

[killthegoat06]

Eyre for Dunn.

[MSG T]

I'm not advocating giving the Reds everything plus the kitchen sink, however, the Cubs are paying Jones and Floyd( also, Murt before his demotion) $8.5 mil to play right and put up much worse numbers than Dunn currently has.

 

If the Cubs could find a way to rid themselves of two of Jones/Izzy/Eyre, then getting Dunn would definitely help this team. With at least two of those gone, the money would balance fairly well. The only condition would be not to give up any of the top guys in the system. I don't know what the Reds would want( especially with their love of middle relief), but would a Eyre/S Moore/Pawalek( not those three specifically, but types and level of ability)type of deal work, assuming they could drop off Jones for a donut?

[Banghart]

So far I have six pages of discussion about Adam Dunn. If I can sum those pages up it is mostly SABR guys love him because he walks and hits homeruns. Traditional baseball people hate him because strikes out and is a butcher in the field. Both sides of the debate are right because he is all of that. I think the first question that has to be asked is would he help this team.

 

The answer to that question has to be yes. A young left handed power hitter is something the Cubs have needed for a long time. I cannot recall a legitimate left handed RBI guy in the Cubs lineup during the past two decades apart from brief lightning-in-a-bottle acts for a year or two. The blanace that Dunn would bring to the lineup would be immense, and offer an improvement over the horrific production we are getting in RF currently. Dunn is a flawed player there is no doubt, but if he is available he is the best left handed bat available that would fill a legitimate need on this year's team.

 

That brings us to the second important question. Is he really available. Indications right now point to yes, but in all actuality we won't know until he is dealt if he really was available. Dunn has been rumored to be available for several seasons now, but it does make some sense at this point that the Reds would move him.

 

The third and final question that needs to be addressed is how much of an upgrade would Dunn provide. The Cubs production in RF is one of the worst in the league, and the addition of Dunn would make it above average. Dunn could be a long term solution for the Cubs which makes it a lot more intriguing to add him to this team than some other names been tossed about. Derrek Lee's loss of power might signal the end of him being witht he Cubs once his contract runs out, and Adam Dunn at first base would take a lot of pressure off of defense for him while keep a potent left handed bat in the Cubs lineup.

 

Adam Dunn makes this a better a team this year and next year if he can be resigned. All of those questions have to be answered before Adam Dunn can be added to this team because who knows what the actual price for Adam Dunn might be. That being said it does make for an itneresting month and a half while we wait for the trade deadline to pass.

 

-Banghart

[CubinNY]

So far I have six pages of discussion about Adam Dunn. If I can sum those pages up it is mostly SABR guys love him because he walks and hits homeruns. Traditional baseball people hate him because strikes out and is a butcher in the field. Both sides of the debate are right because he is all of that. I think the first question that has to be asked is would he help this team.

 

The answer to that question has to be yes. A young left handed power hitter is something the Cubs have needed for a long time. I cannot recall a legitimate left handed RBI guy in the Cubs lineup during the past two decades apart from brief lightning-in-a-bottle acts for a year or two. The blanace that Dunn would bring to the lineup would be immense, and offer an improvement over the horrific production we are getting in RF currently. Dunn is a flawed player there is no doubt, but if he is available he is the best left handed bat available that would fill a legitimate need on this year's team.

 

That brings us to the second important question. Is he really available. Indications right now point to yes, but in all actuality we won't know until he is dealt if he really was available. Dunn has been rumored to be available for several seasons now, but it does make some sense at this point that the Reds would move him.

 

The third and final question that needs to be addressed is how much of an upgrade would Dunn provide. The Cubs production in RF is one of the worst in the league, and the addition of Dunn would make it above average. Dunn could be a long term solution for the Cubs which makes it a lot more intriguing to add him to this team than some other names been tossed about. Derrek Lee's loss of power might signal the end of him being witht he Cubs once his contract runs out, and Adam Dunn at first base would take a lot of pressure off of defense for him while keep a potent left handed bat in the Cubs lineup.

 

Adam Dunn makes this a better a team this year and next year if he can be resigned. All of those questions have to be answered before Adam Dunn can be added to this team because who knows what the actual price for Adam Dunn might be. That being said it does make for an itneresting month and a half while we wait for the trade deadline to pass.

 

-Banghart

I'd like the Cubs to get Dunn but they don't have a positon for him becuase they refuse to move Soriano to RF. It is also my opinion that the Cubs do not want Dunn b/c he strikes out too much and doesn't play good defense. If they were to get him they would probably mis-manage him by hitting him 6 or 7.

 

In short, I like him, the Cubs don't and wouldn't use him properly anyway.

[inari]

I haven't even really said much in this thread, but I want to let it be known that I want Dunn. You know who I'd like more though? Pat Burrell. I'm sure he can play right.

[tkenm356]

Pat Burrell is Adam Dunn minus 10-20 home runs and 7-10 stolen bases and he costs more than Dunn does.

 

We need someone like Hawpe. Hawpe can hit 20-25HR, hit over .280, and have an OBP over .380 and isn't a blunder in RF. Hawpe would probably cost more than Dunn though, oddly enough. And if not, then go for Hawpe, if he's available. He's cheap, he's young, and he's better than both Dunn and Burrell overall (and he's left handed. Yay)

[jersey cubs fan]

I haven't even really said much in this thread, but I want to let it be known that I want Dunn. You know who I'd like more though? Pat Burrell. I'm sure he can play right.

 

Burrell for Jones and Eyre could be interesting. Burrell and Philly have never gotten along, even less than they did with Abreu. He's a bit overpaid and has a NTC, but those things can be negotiated. He's struggling a little this year but he's a good bet to be a 115-125 OPS+ guy and he could really help the Cubs lineup.

[jersey cubs fan]

Pat Burrell is Adam Dunn minus 10-20 home runs and 7-10 stolen bases and he costs more than Dunn does.

 

We need someone like Hawpe. Hawpe can hit 20-25HR, hit over .280, and have an OBP over .380 and isn't a blunder in RF. Hawpe would probably cost more than Dunn though, oddly enough. And if not, then go for Hawpe, if he's available. He's cheap, he's young, and he's better than both Dunn and Burrell overall (and he's left handed. Yay)

 

Why would he be available?

 

Burrell could give you 20-30 hit over .280 and OBP over .380 as well.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

There's no way in the world Hawpe is better than Dunn or Burrell. He's useless against LHP.

[chopsx9]

So far I have six pages of discussion about Adam Ddeadline to pass.

 

-Banghart

I'd like the Cubs to get Dunn but they don't have a positon for him becuase they refuse to move Soriano to RF. It is also my opinion that the Cubs do not want Dunn b/c he strikes out too much and doesn't play good defense. If they were to get him they would probably mis-manage him by hitting him 6 or 7.

 

In short, I like him, the Cubs don't and wouldn't use him properly anyway.

 

It's not that he doesn't play good defense it is that he plays terrible defense. We can't just pretend that's not the case. He's definately a plus offensively but lets not pretend this is Pujols or even Derek Lee. I just think the cost of getting him (and if they would take Eyre and Marshal I'll stand corrected) coupled with his defense (scouts have said on ESPN that you CANNOT put him at first, RF would be a disaster) he's just not worth it.

 

My great hope right now is that AROD opts out at the end of the year and wants to come back and play for Lou.

[CubinNY]

So far I have six pages of discussion about Adam Ddeadline to pass.

 

-Banghart

I'd like the Cubs to get Dunn but they don't have a positon for him becuase they refuse to move Soriano to RF. It is also my opinion that the Cubs do not want Dunn b/c he strikes out too much and doesn't play good defense. If they were to get him they would probably mis-manage him by hitting him 6 or 7.

 

In short, I like him, the Cubs don't and wouldn't use him properly anyway.

 

It's not that he doesn't play good defense it is that he plays terrible defense. We can't just pretend that's not the case.

 

So [expletive] what? He's a LF er.

 

Defense is highly overrated.

[Exile on Waveland]

So far I have six pages of discussion about Adam Ddeadline to pass.

 

-Banghart

I'd like the Cubs to get Dunn but they don't have a positon for him becuase they refuse to move Soriano to RF. It is also my opinion that the Cubs do not want Dunn b/c he strikes out too much and doesn't play good defense. If they were to get him they would probably mis-manage him by hitting him 6 or 7.

 

In short, I like him, the Cubs don't and wouldn't use him properly anyway.

 

It's not that he doesn't play good defense it is that he plays terrible defense. We can't just pretend that's not the case.

 

So [expletive] what? He's a LF er.

 

Defense is highly overrated.

 

As of right now, the Cubs are unwilling to move Soriano to RF even though they should. So for the Cubs sake, no, Dunn is not a LF, he's a RF. Dunn is a productive player, no doubt. However, I'm unsure if his negatives outweigh his positives (especially when considering cost to acquire him). And that goes doubly for the Cubs, a NL team without the DH that might play him at RF.

[Amazing_Grace]

Don't know if this has been said in 7 pages, but if the Cubs brass aren't satisfied with Murton's defense in RF, they will almost definitely not view Dunn as a solution to that problem. To me, worrying about defense from a corner outfielder is pretty silly to begin with. How bad can Dunn be that his offense won't outweigh his defensive shortcomings.

[davearm]

Don't know if this has been said in 7 pages, but if the Cubs brass aren't satisfied with Murton's defense in RF, they will almost definitely not view Dunn as a solution to that problem. To me, worrying about defense from a corner outfielder is pretty silly to begin with. How bad can Dunn be that his offense won't outweigh his defensive shortcomings.

Reds fans can answer that question for you.

[wade]

Don't know if this has been said in 7 pages, but if the Cubs brass aren't satisfied with Murton's defense in RF, they will almost definitely not view Dunn as a solution to that problem. To me, worrying about defense from a corner outfielder is pretty silly to begin with. How bad can Dunn be that his offense won't outweigh his defensive shortcomings.

Reds fans can answer that question for you.

 

Not objectively, from what I've heard.

[tkenm356]

Pat Burrell is Adam Dunn minus 10-20 home runs and 7-10 stolen bases and he costs more than Dunn does.

 

We need someone like Hawpe. Hawpe can hit 20-25HR, hit over .280, and have an OBP over .380 and isn't a blunder in RF. Hawpe would probably cost more than Dunn though, oddly enough. And if not, then go for Hawpe, if he's available. He's cheap, he's young, and he's better than both Dunn and Burrell overall (and he's left handed. Yay)

 

Why would he be available?

 

Burrell could give you 20-30 hit over .280 and OBP over .380 as well.

 

Pat Burrell has hit .280 twice in his career, and is a career .253 hitter. He also has a career .363OBP and a career .838OPS, including a whopping .787OPS this year. While I don't doubt he can give 20-30HR, he's only had two years where he's hit over 30HR, which coincidentally happened to the be the two years he hit a smidge over .280, and the only years he had 100+RBI, and two of three years he had an OPS over .890. Outside of those years he's failed to achieve an OPS higher than .822.

 

At least Dunn consistently does what he does, and you know what to expect, Burrell is a rollercoaster.

[RammyFanny]

Read today that Angels have talked to the Reds but Cinci wants too much. They want a starting pitcher, starting 2nd baseman, and a top prospect, and the Angels supposedly won't budge.