Sean Gallagher to Cubs / Guzman to DL / Novoa to 60-day DL

[Keener98]

So it was first reported as forearm problems. Now on WGN its being called a sprained elbow and hes having an MRI done on his elbow. I liked the forearm being injured alot more than the elbow.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

So it was first reported as forearm problems. Now on WGN its being called a sprained elbow and hes having an MRI done on his elbow. I liked the forearm being injured alot more than the elbow.

 

I liked forearm better than elbow as well. MRI on the elbow doesn't sound good.

[Guest]

is Gooz actually injured?

 

Nobody is quite sure-he is feeling tenderness in his arm and doesn't really want to pitch right now, so they have put him on the DL.

 

The move has been made now btw-Guzman to DL, retroactive to June 2nd, Gallagher up, and Novoa placed on the 60 day DL with a right humeral head fracture.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070606&content_id=2008847&vkey=pr_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Raisin is on a roll. We'll never hear the end of it...

 

Aren't I? :D Called the Guzman injury (:() and called Novoa to the 60-day DL as the 40-man move. Also, I believe this won't burn Novoa's final option since the injuries were caused by his offseason car accident.

 

On the flip side, Guzman's injury sounds more serious as an elbow injury but the forearm injury was bad enough - his injured forearm was the main reason he barely pitched after spring training in 2005. I'm hoping it's not too bad since it seemed like the coaching and training staff didn't think too much of the injury in the original quotes (they originally made the DL trip sound more precautionary).

[Guest]

Another option for clearing a roster spot on the 40-man is to call up Novoa and then 60-day DL him.

 

I've completely forgotten about Novoa. What's wrong with him again?

 

Injuries related to an offseason car accident. He's *nowhere* near ready for rehab - it looks like this season is definitely lost for Novoa.

[Laura]

Piniella can't manage his bullpen, and Hendry cannot manage the roster. What's going to happen in a couple years when Gallagher isn't ready yet but he's Rule V eligible? Why start his clock now and put him on the 40 man at least 1 year before he was ready for it?

 

This doesn't make sense. If, in three years, Sean (who has had about 3/4 of a season at AA) isn't ready to stick on the big league roster, then I don't think it's a big concern.

 

I'm not much of a roster / options / arby clock etc guru, but I thought that the changes to the CBA last year allowed clubs to extend the time they owned players' rights an extra year and two years for players who were drafted at age 18 or younger (as Sean was in '04). Am I thinking of something else?

 

 

BTW, Raisin was convinced Gallagher would see MLB action before September callups this year (predicted at the end of last season).

[Guest]

Piniella can't manage his bullpen, and Hendry cannot manage the roster. What's going to happen in a couple years when Gallagher isn't ready yet but he's Rule V eligible? Why start his clock now and put him on the 40 man at least 1 year before he was ready for it?

 

This doesn't make sense. If, in three years, Sean (who has had about 3/4 of a season at AA) isn't ready to stick on the big league roster, then I don't think it's a big concern.

 

I'm not much of a roster / options / arby clock etc guru, but I thought that the changes to the CBA last year allowed clubs to extend the time they owned players' rights an extra year and two years for players who were drafted at age 18 or younger (as Sean was in '04). Am I thinking of something else?

 

I'm pretty sure what the CBA did was add an extra year of club control before players were forced on the 40-man or at risk of the Rule 5 draft (it used to be 3 years for players signed at 19 and older and 4 years for those younger than 18; now it's 4 and 5 years, respectively). Now that Sean is on the 40-man roster, this isn't an issue. He now has 3 years where he can be optioned between the majors and minors before he has to stick in the big leagues - I don't believe this was at all changed.

 

BTW, Raisin was convinced Gallagher would see MLB action before September callups this year (predicted at the end of last season).

 

I remember saying that now. I guess I've been on a Sean Gallagher-related roll. :)

Edited June 6, 2007 by CaliforniaRaisin

[abuck1220]

are people kidding when they're comparing gallagher to carmona? give me a break.

 

well not really, but why is it so preposterous if they are?

 

because they're not at all similar. i'm not going to go through the trouble of pointing out all their differences...others have already done it.

[Laura]

Thanks, Raisin. I couldn't remember the details.

 

I remember saying that now. I guess I've been on a Sean Gallagher-related roll. :)

 

Did you get a buzzcut earlier today?

Edited June 7, 2007 by Laura

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Have we heard how the Cubs are freeing up a spot on the 40 man to make room for Gallagher?

 

Supposedly Guzman to the DL.

 

Guzman couldn't stay healthy as a BP arm. I like the kid, but no way was he going to last as our permanent 5th starter.

 

Unfortunately, I'm bracing for Marshall's return to earth which would seem to be inevitable.

 

For some players, pitching multiple times in a week is harder than once ever 5 days. I don't see why Guzman getting hurt as a reliever means he can't start.

 

Are you still banging this tired old drum? How is your crystal ball working now? Last month, you were pretty high and mighty that the Cubs were "dumb" for taking Guzman out of the rotation after (yet another) arm injury. And you assured us there was "no way" Marshall could outpitch Guzman. :roll:

 

I don't think I'm going to be calling you anytime soon for a GM's job, if that's OK with you. Probably not the night shift at a tarot card reader's booth, either.

[TruffleShuffle]

Last month, you were pretty high and mighty that the Cubs were "dumb" for taking Guzman out of the rotation after (yet another) arm injury. And you assured us there was "no way" Marshall could outpitch Guzman. :roll:

 

Guzman didn't suffer an arm injury last month :roll:

[Guest]

Have we heard how the Cubs are freeing up a spot on the 40 man to make room for Gallagher?

 

Supposedly Guzman to the DL.

 

Guzman couldn't stay healthy as a BP arm. I like the kid, but no way was he going to last as our permanent 5th starter.

 

Unfortunately, I'm bracing for Marshall's return to earth which would seem to be inevitable.

 

For some players, pitching multiple times in a week is harder than once ever 5 days. I don't see why Guzman getting hurt as a reliever means he can't start.

 

Are you still banging this tired old drum? How is your crystal ball working now? Last month, you were pretty high and mighty that the Cubs were "dumb" for taking Guzman out of the rotation after (yet another) arm injury. And you assured us there was "no way" Marshall could outpitch Guzman. :roll:

 

I don't think I'm going to be calling you anytime soon for a GM's job, if that's OK with you. Probably not the night shift at a tarot card reader's booth, either.

 

I think I'll survive.

 

ETA: :roll:

[Jon]

And it was a hamstring cramp, not an arm injury. And as expected, the Cubs made no actual attempt to use him as a setup man or closer.

 

But clearly Guzman's elbow would've exploded if he had been left in the rotation as opposed to just developing soreness pitching out of the bullpen.

 

Glad to see Marshall has a 1.05 WHIP locked in for the rest of the way, though.

[Soul]

And it was a hamstring cramp, not an arm injury. And as expected, the Cubs made no actual attempt to use him as a setup man or closer.

 

But clearly Guzman's elbow would've exploded if he had been left in the rotation as opposed to just developing soreness pitching out of the bullpen.

 

Glad to see Marshall has a 1.05 WHIP locked in for the rest of the way, though.

 

Well in fairness to Lou, he did say Guzman needed to go to the BP because of cramps. Now he's on the DL because of a cramp.

 

I think it was premature for this board to explode on Lou the way it did. His move didn't turn out to be all that bad, for now at least.

[Jon]

And it was a hamstring cramp, not an arm injury. And as expected, the Cubs made no actual attempt to use him as a setup man or closer.

 

But clearly Guzman's elbow would've exploded if he had been left in the rotation as opposed to just developing soreness pitching out of the bullpen.

 

Glad to see Marshall has a 1.05 WHIP locked in for the rest of the way, though.

 

Well in fairness to Lou, he did say Guzman needed to go to the BP because of cramps. Now he's on the DL because of a cramp.

 

I think it was premature for this board to explode on Lou the way it did. His move didn't turn out to be all that bad, for now at least.

It's not a cramp, though. This is an elbow issue rather than a muscle cramp in his leg. I wouldn't really rely on their initial release regarding his symptoms when they come out with something different and much worse right after that.

[CUBZ99]

PeoriaChiefs39 made the lastest article on Chicagosports.com. :D

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070606cubsbits,1,6641282.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

 

Sullivan doesn't even give NSBB a plug, but thanks to Sean's dad for giving all of us on NSBB the scoop first. Everyone is pulling for Sean to be successful with the Cubs.

[CubColtPacer]

PeoriaChiefs39 made the lastest article on Chicagosports.com. :D

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070606cubsbits,1,6641282.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

 

Sullivan doesn't even give NSBB a plug, but thanks to Sean's dad for giving all of us on NSBB the scoop first. Everyone is pulling for Sean to be successful with the Cubs.

 

Agreed-that's a great story, and I'm very excited to see him get in a game. He seems like a great guy, and his father was really nice in doing that, even if did end up jumping the gun a bit :D

[abuck1220]

And it was a hamstring cramp, not an arm injury. And as expected, the Cubs made no actual attempt to use him as a setup man or closer.

 

But clearly Guzman's elbow would've exploded if he had been left in the rotation as opposed to just developing soreness pitching out of the bullpen.

 

Glad to see Marshall has a 1.05 WHIP locked in for the rest of the way, though.

 

Well in fairness to Lou, he did say Guzman needed to go to the BP because of cramps. Now he's on the DL because of a cramp.

 

 

i don't care how you slice it...tightness in the forearm doesn't equal hamstring cramps.

[Guest]

Link also makes Guzman's injury not sound severe, so that's good.

 

Awesome that Sean's dad makes the story. :)

[CubColtPacer]

It's interesting that Guzman has had so many minor muscle things the last year and a half but it doesn't seem to be quite related to his earlier injuries.

[rynefan]

Pretty exciting stuff. A kid from my son's h.s. was called up the other day by the Yankees for his first go-around in the bigs, so that's been pretty exciting, too. My son went to a summer camp he did here a couple of years ago, it was cool.

[Brian]

This thread made it to Cubs.com

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070606&content_id=2008909&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Still no free plugs though :(

[Guest]

But we're considered Mr. Gallagher's "friends and family." :)

[TruffleShuffle]

This thread made it to Cubs.com

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070606&content_id=2008909&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Still no free plugs though :(

 

 

I've focused on what we worked on in Spring Training," he said. "Maintaining my delivery, maintaining my mechanics so I don't get out of whack and can repeat it over and over. It's location -- and getting out there every day and trying to get better every day and focus on every pitch. Every pitch has a purpose. That's what I was told by Mike Anderson, my pitching coach last year, and I believe it.

 

 

competent coaching by the cubs' minor league staff??? :shock: :shock: :shock:

[soccer10k]

Since we've been discussing the 40 man roster a bit here, I figure I will ask this question: Is every team required to have 40 players on the 40 man roster or can they have less, i.e. can a team just have 39 players for a couple weeks if they choose to do so? This isn't in regards to anything in particular rather just a random question I was thinking about the other night.

[Abe Frohman]

Hey everyone just wanted to let everybody know that "Sean has just gotten called-up to the Cubbies". Its been a very hectic afternoon since we just got off the phone with Sean. He is so excited and will meet the team in Mil, our family will be heading to Atlanta for this week-ends series.

 

No link = not true.

 

Just kidding. Congratulations, Mr. G. Here's to a very successful career.