Sean Gallagher to Cubs / Guzman to DL / Novoa to 60-day DL

[jjgman21]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

 

will first, we don't know yet exactly what reason he is being brought up for, those reasons probably aren't it, and the Indians brought up Sabathia at a far younger age, with far fewer minor league innings and far worse results than Gallagher.

 

edit, and come to think of it, Cliff Lee had fewer minor league innings as well, and while he was older, he had about as many innings above high A as Gallagher at this point.

Edited June 6, 2007 by jjgman21

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

 

will first, we don't know yet exactly what reason he is being brought up for, those reasons probably aren't it, and the Indians brought up Sabathia at a far younger age, with far fewer minor league innings and far worse results than Gallagher.

 

The Indians also let Sabathia continue to start games, and it was at the beginning of the season when they decided to give him a rotation spot.

[jjgman21]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

 

will first, we don't know yet exactly what reason he is being brought up for, those reasons probably aren't it, and the Indians brought up Sabathia at a far younger age, with far fewer minor league innings and far worse results than Gallagher.

 

The Indians also let Sabathia continue to start games, and it was at the beginning of the season when they decided to give him a rotation spot.

 

as I said earlier, I want them to stay on the poddy. if Gallagher goes to the pen, he should stay there until next spring.

[jjgman21]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

I agree, they didn't have Carmona up last year getting shelled in the pen...

 

Carmona was pitching better than Gallagher is at a higher level when he was called up. It was also his second season at AAA after 2 seasons at AA. Not even remotely comparable.

 

just noticed this. not sure how you can have it both ways between your defense of the way they broke in Colon, and the way they broke in this guy. Carmona was not pitching very well before being called up. nice peripherals, but a 5.53 ERA in six starts. how that's all that much better than Gallaghers start at AA this year, I don't know.

[questionmarkgrace]

gallagher actually has two curves one is a floater and one is a bender there was a really good article on him last year. Couldve been baseball america or Cubs.com

[bsucubsfan]

wonder if he could possibly get a spot start with alot of games left before an off day. Marquis threw a lot of pitches last night and lilly looks like he could use an extra day. but wuertz struggles with back to back appearances and he needs a day off. Wade Miller looks like the 40 man casualty, although there is about 15 people that should be casualties.

[98navigator]

Sullivan/Tribune

 

Gallagher will move into a relief role with the Cubs, with Carlos Marmol becoming a late-inning set-up man to give manager Lou Piniella a power-pitching right-hander to go along with Bob Howry and Michael Wuertz.

[E.J.]

Sullivan/Tribune

 

Gallagher will move into a relief role with the Cubs, with Carlos Marmol becoming a late-inning set-up man to give manager Lou Piniella a power-pitching right-hander to go along with Bob Howry and Michael Wuertz.

 

So basically he'll get mop-up duty if he's needed in the 5th or 6th. I hate the Cubs.

[YearofDaCubs]

Rotoworld's take on Guzman's injury:

 

Angel Guzman will go on the disabled list Wednesday because of forearm cramping, the Cubs revealed.

 

We called this one a few days ago. The Cubs took an injury-prone pitcher, had him switch roles for the third time this season and then made him throw 7 2/3 innings in a 12-day span. It's the same type of thing Lou Piniella did to get his pitchers hurt in Tampa Bay, and as long as the Cubs let the old man run their pitching staff by whim alone, it will likely keep happening. Now the Cubs are going to call up another quality prospect, Sean Gallagher, throw him into the bullpen and see what happens.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Well, it may/may not be the best financial move for the Cubs, but I'm happy for the kid. You never know what can happen on or off the field with injuries or other issues. Just be happy the kid is getting to the bigs.

 

Congrats, Sean. :D

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

I agree, they didn't have Carmona up last year getting shelled in the pen...

 

Carmona was pitching better than Gallagher is at a higher level when he was called up. It was also his second season at AAA after 2 seasons at AA. Not even remotely comparable.

 

just noticed this. not sure how you can have it both ways between your defense of the way they broke in Colon, and the way they broke in this guy. Carmona was not pitching very well before being called up. nice peripherals, but a 5.53 ERA in six starts. how that's all that much better than Gallaghers start at AA this year, I don't know.

 

You said it yourself, peripherals. Better walk rate with a similar K rate and WHIP, and again, at a higher level after he spent a full year in AAA, and large parts of 2 years in AA.

[abuck1220]

are people kidding when they're comparing gallagher to carmona? give me a break.

[jjgman21]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

I agree, they didn't have Carmona up last year getting shelled in the pen...

 

Carmona was pitching better than Gallagher is at a higher level when he was called up. It was also his second season at AAA after 2 seasons at AA. Not even remotely comparable.

 

just noticed this. not sure how you can have it both ways between your defense of the way they broke in Colon, and the way they broke in this guy. Carmona was not pitching very well before being called up. nice peripherals, but a 5.53 ERA in six starts. how that's all that much better than Gallaghers start at AA this year, I don't know.

 

You said it yourself, peripherals. Better walk rate with a similar K rate and WHIP, and again, at a higher level after he spent a full year in AAA, and large parts of 2 years in AA.

 

 

looking at it a little closer, so other than his work the previous year, which was nice, but not overwhelming, I'm not sure how he was 'pitching better than Gallagher before being called up' because he debuted in mid April. not a great sample from which to declare he was pitching better, compared to Gallagher's 11 starts this year.

 

he was allowed to start. the Indians moved him out of the rotation after his May 20 outting when the Indians were 7.5 out of first, sitting in third place. on May 23, they were 9 out of first. did the Indians send him back down to start? was that stupid? then he was made the closer. then he went back to AAA and went back to starting. then they brought him back up in September and kept him in the rotation. on Sept. 9, after being brought back, he had a 65 pitch outting, followed by a 91 pitch outting.

 

I heard Meph and Raisen and Roto saying how Guz's injury is probably from being bounced around in his role, so that was a stupid move? considering all of this, did Cleveland do something stupid with bouncing him around, or are Meph and Raisen and Roto wrong and there isn't anything wrong with bouncing a young pitcher around in his role?

Edited June 6, 2007 by jjgman21

[jjgman21]

are people kidding when they're comparing gallagher to carmona? give me a break.

 

well not really, but why is it so preposterous if they are?

[sethuel1]

Right like the Indians did, look how bad they are now because of it... Wait they are in fact great.

 

The Indians don't do stupid things like call up their best pitching prospect before he's big league ready for stupid reasons like "need more control in middle relief", or "we can just extend him later".

I agree, they didn't have Carmona up last year getting shelled in the pen...

 

Carmona was pitching better than Gallagher is at a higher level when he was called up. It was also his second season at AAA after 2 seasons at AA. Not even remotely comparable.

 

just noticed this. not sure how you can have it both ways between your defense of the way they broke in Colon, and the way they broke in this guy. Carmona was not pitching very well before being called up. nice peripherals, but a 5.53 ERA in six starts. how that's all that much better than Gallaghers start at AA this year, I don't know.

 

You said it yourself, peripherals. Better walk rate with a similar K rate and WHIP, and again, at a higher level after he spent a full year in AAA, and large parts of 2 years in AA.

 

 

looking at it a little closer, so other than his work the previous year, which was nice, but not overwhelming, I'm not sure how he was 'pitching better than Gallagher before being called up' because he debuted in mid April. not a great sample from which to declare he was pitching better, compared to Gallagher's 11 starts this year.

 

he was allowed to start. the Indians moved him out of the rotation after his May 20 outting when the Indians were 7.5 out of first, sitting in third place. on May 23, they were 9 out of first. did the Indians send him back down to start? was that stupid? then he was made the closer. then he went back to AAA and went back to starting. then they brought him back up in September and kept him in the rotation. on Sept. 9, after being brought back, he had a 65 pitch outting, followed by a 91 pitch outting.

 

I heard Meph and Raisen and Roto saying how Guz's injury is probably from being bounced around in his role, so that was a stupid move? considering all of this, did Cleveland do something stupid with bouncing him around, or are Meph and Raisen and Roto wrong and there isn't anything wrong with bouncing a young pitcher around in his role?

 

so long as we all know how right you are, the rest doesn't matter

[NCCubFan]

This move doesn't bother me like it seems to bother many others. I'm guessing he's just going to be up for a couple of weeks, so it's not going to really stunt his development. It will give him a taste of life in the major leagues so that when he comes back up again later (whether it's a September call-up this year or sometime next year) he will have already gone through the jitters players frequently go through the first time up. As far as concerns about arbitration or free agency clocks starting, I think that's a moot point. He certainly will not be up enough for this season to count toward free agency (even if he were to stay up the rest of the year, which I don't expect), and unless he does stay up the rest of the year there's no way he'd qualify as a super-two that would speed up his arbitration eligibility (I'm not sure he'd qualify even if he were up for the rest of the year). The only thing that will start ticking is the option clock, since sending him back down would use his first option. I think it's good he's getting some major league exposure.

[Flames24Rulz]

This move doesn't bother me like it seems to bother many others. I'm guessing he's just going to be up for a couple of weeks, so it's not going to really stunt his development. It will give him a taste of life in the major leagues so that when he comes back up again later (whether it's a September call-up this year or sometime next year) he will have already gone through the jitters players frequently go through the first time up. As far as concerns about arbitration or free agency clocks starting, I think that's a moot point. He certainly will not be up enough for this season to count toward free agency (even if he were to stay up the rest of the year, which I don't expect), and unless he does stay up the rest of the year there's no way he'd qualify as a super-two that would speed up his arbitration eligibility (I'm not sure he'd qualify even if he were up for the rest of the year). The only thing that will start ticking is the option clock, since sending him back down would use his first option. I think it's good he's getting some major league exposure.

 

That's exactly how I feel about the situation as well.

[Alfonso Soriano]

Congratulations and good luck to Sean. Hopefully this will end our bullpen troubles.

[seanimal]

shrink the avatar, it's stretching the column

[Alfonso Soriano]

shrink the avatar, it's stretching the column

That will be $10,000,000 please.

[seanimal]

:lol:

[jjgman21]

 

so long as we all know how right you are, the rest doesn't matter

 

I didn't really make any assertion that I was trying to prove right. rather I thought it absurd that the poster stuck to an assertion that wasn't born out by the facts.

 

our GM sucks, but that doesn't mean other GMs are flawless. on the one hand we have complaints of two different young pitchers mishandled in a different way, on the other we have an assertion that one organization doesn't mishandle pitchers, when in fact they have a single pitcher that embodies both the mistakes made on the two pitchers.

[Alfonso Soriano]

:lol:

Me no speak a much a English.

Me like money though.

[jjgman21]

one potential huge hidden problem I have with this move is what it signals regarding the relationship of the GM and manager. I get the feeling this move was made because Lou decided he won't have Cherry or Cotts or any of the other pitchers on the 40 man that he saw in spring on his team. once again we seem to have a manager that has too much influence over the roster.

[Alfonso Soriano]

one potential huge hidden problem I have with this move is what it signals regarding the relationship of the GM and manager. I get the feeling this move was made because Lou decided he won't have Cherry or Cotts or any of the other pitchers on the 40 man that he saw in spring on his team. once again we seem to have a manager that has too much influence over the roster.

Sean had a 7-2 record in AA. It's Double A don't get me wrong but he has had success and plus our management is desperate for some help.