OFers potentially available at deadline

[RynoRules]

Tori Hunter: AVG .314 | HR 11 | RBI 41 | OBP .350 | SLG .599

 

Willy Mo Pena: AVG .269 | HR 3 | RBI 6 | OBP .356 | SLG .500

 

Willy earns just 2 mill this year and is under control through next season. 25 yrs of age; only 55 ABs so far this year. Considered a butcher in RF by many.

 

Trade idea: Howry for Pena?

 

Hunter is 31 and going into his walk year; Twins not expected to re-up him, and they have not looked good so far this year. But sheesh the man has an OPS of about .950 this year.

 

Trade idea: Jacque for Hunter.

 

Kidding. The price would be steep and I am not sure I'd pay it.

[Soriano12]

Willy Mo Pena is an interesting idea. It would help if Drew could get hot because if I'm not mistaken they have been back and forth with Drew and Pena in RF.

 

I'm not scared about him being a butcher in RF, because I experienced the 2006 Jacque Jones and lived to talk about it.

[wilk]

I'm not scared about him being a butcher in RF, because I experienced the 2006 Jacque Jones and lived to talk about it.

 

Is this just a sarcastic exaggeration or what? I mean have all the people saying how horrible Jacque was or is actually seen what a true butcher in the outfield looks like? Pena isn't the worst it gets but it does get a LOT worse than Jacque...

[Soriano12]

I'm not scared about him being a butcher in RF, because I experienced the 2006 Jacque Jones and lived to talk about it.

 

Is this just a sarcastic exaggeration or what? I mean have all the people saying how horrible Jacque was or is actually seen what a true butcher in the outfield looks like? Pena isn't the worst it gets but it does get a LOT worse than Jacque...

I'm pretty sure Jacque has more "range" than Pena, but Jones' is arm is simply terrible.

[Lukin]

Shouldnt Sammy be available by late summer?

[Flames24Rulz]

Shouldnt Sammy be available by late summer?

 

Yes, but I doubt Hendry makes a push for him.

[Lukin]

Shouldnt Sammy be available by late summer?

 

Yes, but I doubt Hendry makes a push for him.

 

Its very possible that he will be the best option. I think Hendry values his job more then he hates Sosa, but I might be wrong.

[mdwilla]

Pena is a 40 homer threat if he gets some at-bats. He's pretty bad in the outfield but come 2008 it will be hard to find an outfield with a better trio of arms than Soranio,Pie,Pena.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dye could be available if the White Sox stumble.

 

Baldelli could also be on the block.

 

Would Seattle make Ichiro available? How about Ibanez? Lofton also could be had from Texas.

[RynoRules]

Dye could be available if the White Sox stumble.

 

Baldelli could also be on the block.

 

Would Seattle make Ichiro available? How about Ibanez? Lofton also could be had from Texas.

 

Ichiro: AVG .335 | HR 4 | RBI 20 | OBP .390 | SLG .457

 

Great start. Price would be steep. Think Pie and Guzman, IMO.

 

Dye: AVG .235 | HR 10 | RBI 25 | OBP .292 | SLG .469

 

Tough to know what Williams would want.

 

Baldelli: AVG .204 | HR 5 | RBI 12 | OBP .268 | SLG .358

 

Yuck. He's only making 750k this year though.

 

Ibanez: AVG .280 | HR 1 | RBI 24 | OBP .329 | SLG .387

 

Meh. The price shouldn't be high.

 

Lofton: AVG .262 | HR 4 | RBI 12 | OBP .343 | SLG .396

 

Not bad for a 39 yr old. Wouldn't cost too much to get either.

[RammyFanny]

Dye could be available if the White Sox stumble.

 

Baldelli could also be on the block.

 

Would Seattle make Ichiro available? How about Ibanez? Lofton also could be had from Texas.

 

Ichiro: AVG .335 | HR 4 | RBI 20 | OBP .390 | SLG .457

 

Great start. Price would be steep. Think Pie and Guzman, IMO.

 

Dye: AVG .235 | HR 10 | RBI 25 | OBP .292 | SLG .469

 

Tough to know what Williams would want.

 

Baldelli: AVG .204 | HR 5 | RBI 12 | OBP .268 | SLG .358

 

Yuck. He's only making 750k this year though.

 

Ibanez: AVG .280 | HR 1 | RBI 24 | OBP .329 | SLG .387

 

Meh. The price shouldn't be high.

 

Lofton: AVG .262 | HR 4 | RBI 12 | OBP .343 | SLG .396

 

Not bad for a 39 yr old. Wouldn't cost too much to get either.

 

I highly doubt Seattle takes that deal for Ichiro.

[Lockes Eye Scar]

doesn't look like anybody really good will be available. bunch of meh players.

 

Ichiro is the best of the bunch but the price would be too steep for a rental.

[tkenm356]

Do we really need an OF'er? And if so, should we go the proven veteran route or the young prospect route?

 

If Sosa is the best option at the break, I say take it. I'd welcome him back with open arms. And if possible, see if we can swing Freddy Guzman in the deal as well. Baseball America has him as Texas' best defensive outfielder and fastest baserunner, yet he's not one of their top 10 prospects.

 

His minor league #'s are encouraging. Despite having a career minor league AVG of only .280, his career OBP is .359, but it could be higher if he hadn't moved between levels so much each year. He averages roughly between 30-40 BB's for eveyr 250-280AB in his minor career. Extend that out to about 650AB roughly as a full season lead-off hitter and that's a good chunk of walks (70-90BB). He could be the 2008 starter in RF since I would assume we'd be renting Sosa. Hell I'd say screw getting Sosa, let's go for Guzman.

 

Unless of course I missed something about the guy (injury, for example), he lookes pretty darn good to have in our system, and probably wouldn't cost a whole lot.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Freddy-Guzman.shtml

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Unless of course I missed something about the guy (injury, for example), he lookes pretty darn good to have in our system, and probably wouldn't cost a whole lot.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Freddy-Guzman.shtml

 

You missed that he hits for about as much power as Theriot, he'd be a disaster in a corner OF spot. In fact, all things considered he's remarkably like Jose Macias.

[tkenm356]

Unless of course I missed something about the guy (injury, for example), he lookes pretty darn good to have in our system, and probably wouldn't cost a whole lot.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Freddy-Guzman.shtml

 

You missed that he hits for about as much power as Theriot, he'd be a disaster in a corner OF spot. In fact, all things considered he's remarkably like Jose Macias.

 

1) Everyone on the team doesn't have to hit for power. When you have Ramirez, Lee, Soriano, and Barrett you get plenty of power, it'd be nice to have some speed in the lineup that can get on base (Theriot and Guzman could provide that). Plus it'd give the opportunity to move Soriano out of the lead-off spot which everyone seems to want so badly.

 

2) Don't ever compare anyone to Jose Macias, it isn't fair. Macias has achieved his own level of sucktitude. Plus you can't compare him to Macias considering Macias has sucked for almost 8 years in the majors, and this guy has 83AB in the majors

 

3) How would he be a disaster in a corner OF spot? If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say we should move a CF to a corner spot or a corner OF'er to CF over the last few years I'd be raking. Hell, people are throwing the idea around of trading for Teixeira and moving him to the OF and people seem okay with the idea, how would moving what Baseball America describes as Texas' best defensive outfielder to a corner spot be a disaster?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Unless of course I missed something about the guy (injury, for example), he lookes pretty darn good to have in our system, and probably wouldn't cost a whole lot.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Freddy-Guzman.shtml

 

You missed that he hits for about as much power as Theriot, he'd be a disaster in a corner OF spot. In fact, all things considered he's remarkably like Jose Macias.

 

1) Everyone on the team doesn't have to hit for power. When you have Ramirez, Lee, Soriano, and Barrett you get plenty of power, it'd be nice to have some speed in the lineup that can get on base (Theriot and Guzman could provide that). Plus it'd give the opportunity to move Soriano out of the lead-off spot which everyone seems to want so badly.

 

2) Don't ever compare anyone to Jose Macias, it isn't fair. Macias has achieved his own level of sucktitude. Plus you can't compare him to Macias considering Macias has sucked for almost 8 years in the majors, and this guy has 83AB in the majors

 

3) How would he be a disaster in a corner OF spot? If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say we should move a CF to a corner spot or a corner OF'er to CF over the last few years I'd be raking. Hell, people are throwing the idea around of trading for Teixeira and moving him to the OF and people seem okay with the idea, how would moving what Baseball America describes as Texas' best defensive outfielder to a corner spot be a disaster?

 

He'd be a disaster because he does nothing but hit singles. You can't have a guy with a minor league IsoP of .080 in a corner OF spot. It's just way too hard to compensate elsewhere. Extra base hits are important. And besides, a sub .360 minor league OBP is nothing to write home about.

 

As far as the comparison goes, take a look at Macias' minor league career on the baseball cube. Almost the exact same hitting line while playing at levels at similar ages. Guzman is 26 and has never put up an OPS above .760, he has the ceiling of a fifth outfielder.

[tkenm356]

He'd be a disaster because he does nothing but hit singles. You can't have a guy with a minor league IsoP of .080 in a corner OF spot. It's just way too hard to compensate elsewhere. Extra base hits are important. And besides, a sub .360 minor league OBP is nothing to write home about.

 

As far as the comparison goes, take a look at Macias' minor league career on the baseball cube. Almost the exact same hitting line while playing at levels at similar ages. Guzman is 26 and has never put up an OPS above .760, he has the ceiling of a fifth outfielder.

 

1) I hear you on the singles thing, and I won't refute it. I will say that if given the opportunity to play a full MLB season worth of games, he has the speed to potentially steal 80+ bases and score well over 100 runs, which is pretty good for a guy who only hits singles. FWIW, Jose Reyes only hit 30 doubles last year and has an ISO of .187, and he had no problem scoring 122 runs, and I'm sure no one gave a crap. Guzman averaged about 10 or 11 doubles every 250AB. Stretch that over the span of 680AB or so and that's roughly 30 two baggers. Throw in the fact that'd he'd take second 80% of the time through steals and you could double that number. Ichiro had an ISO of .094 last year, would you put him on your team?

 

2) A .359 career minor league OBP really isn't enough to write home about, you're right, and I know comparing MLB and Milb stats is unfair since it's a different skill set/level, but that .359 OBP would make him probably the 2nd or 3rd best on the team at getting on base. Not to mention he'd take more walks than anyone else on the team, something everyone has been barking for years now. And FWIW, for every level his OBP has been .359 or higher in the minors, he has totaled 1158AB, with an average OBP of .371. For every level his OBP has been less than .359 he has totalled 488AB with an average OBP of .323. Point is, whenever his OBP has been low it has been because of a lack of time at that level, whereas when he played out most of a season at a certain level, his OBP was great.

 

3) Macias spent 9 years in the minors, this guy's been there for 5. Macias is trash because he has proven he is trash. Guzman hasn't been given the chance to prove anything.

 

4) And the OPS thing, it's all depending on what you want out of your lead off hitter, of course everyone wants a lead-off hitter who can have an OPS of .850 or better, but those guys are few and far between.

[Tracer Bullet]

A corner OF with a .360-ish OBP, but hasn't shown a lot of power. Where have I seen one of those lying around... Oh, there's one here at the end of our bench, but he's a red-head so chances are he won't score many runs. Better trade for another OF.

[mg420]

the cubs have fox& kroeger tearing up aa ball. i would much rather see one of them get a shot if neccessary instead of overpaying for a veteren of. pie is also a good option assuming they can launch jones.

[RynoRules]

Dye could be available if the White Sox stumble.

 

Baldelli could also be on the block.

 

Would Seattle make Ichiro available? How about Ibanez? Lofton also could be had from Texas.

 

Ichiro: AVG .335 | HR 4 | RBI 20 | OBP .390 | SLG .457

 

Great start. Price would be steep. Think Pie and Guzman, IMO.

 

Dye: AVG .235 | HR 10 | RBI 25 | OBP .292 | SLG .469

 

Tough to know what Williams would want.

 

Baldelli: AVG .204 | HR 5 | RBI 12 | OBP .268 | SLG .358

 

Yuck. He's only making 750k this year though.

 

Ibanez: AVG .280 | HR 1 | RBI 24 | OBP .329 | SLG .387

 

Meh. The price shouldn't be high.

 

Lofton: AVG .262 | HR 4 | RBI 12 | OBP .343 | SLG .396

 

Not bad for a 39 yr old. Wouldn't cost too much to get either.

 

I highly doubt Seattle takes that deal for Ichiro.

 

I don't recall saying that would be the whole deal.

 

But since you commented, Mr. Alderson, who do you think Seattle would want?

[Backtobanks]

Willy Mo Pena is an interesting idea. It would help if Drew could get hot because if I'm not mistaken they have been back and forth with Drew and Pena in RF.

 

I'm not scared about him being a butcher in RF, because I experienced the 2006 Jacque Jones and lived to talk about it.

 

OF defense would be a disaster, but a platoon of Pena/Floyd could really put up some power numbers.

[killthegoat06]

If we got Pena, Murton would have to be traded. There's no way Murton would get enough playing time.

[rawaction]

Willy Mo Pena is an interesting idea. It would help if Drew could get hot because if I'm not mistaken they have been back and forth with Drew and Pena in RF.

 

I'm not scared about him being a butcher in RF, because I experienced the 2006 Jacque Jones and lived to talk about it.

 

OF defense would be a disaster, but a platoon of Pena/Floyd could really put up some power numbers.

 

Floyd is already being platooned.....and he's not shown any power whatsoever.

[RynoRules]

Ideally I'd aquire a corner OFer in a trade package that includes Murton, put Floyd on waivers, bring up Pie, and tell Jacque to get comfortable next to Gerald Perry and get some pointers.

[seanimal]

Willy Mo Pena is an interesting idea. It would help if Drew could get hot because if I'm not mistaken they have been back and forth with Drew and Pena in RF.

 

I'm not scared about him being a butcher in RF, because I experienced the 2006 Jacque Jones and lived to talk about it.

 

OF defense would be a disaster, but a platoon of Pena/Floyd could really put up some power numbers.

 

Floyd is already being platooned.....and he's not shown any power whatsoever.

 

Since that bomb in Pittsburgh anyway.