Lou's shake-up: Guzman and his 3.18 ERA to pen

RichHillIsABeast · May 20, 2007

Angel Guzman's career ML stats:

6.18 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 0.98 GO/AO, 1.88 K/BB, 4.92 BB/9, 9.27 K/9, 10.64 H/9

It's not like Guzman has the minor league track record of success to warrant this "effective ML starter" label some people are intent on giving him.

A handful of good innings in 2007 is a great start, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Guzman's curve is worlds better than last season. I'm glad to see it come back. But I think we can kiss the dream of 3 plus pitches goodbye. His changeup is junk the few times I've seen him throw it.

Guzman hasn't earned anything at the ML level. Acting like he's entitled to a rotation spot b/c of 20 innings in 2007 is silly. Guzman is more effective earlier in games anyway, which suggests he should be in the pen for now.

Edited May 20, 2007 by RichHillIsABeast

Drew Doughty · May 20, 2007

You just got done arguing that Hendry should be "pressured" by Lou. Backtracking off that one a little, eh?

oh yeah i really hammered that point home didn't I? By saying, "pressure hendry or something." wow how could anyone resist that terrifically supported premise.

Alright, next time I'll be sure to whip out my mind reading apparatus to better discern which arguments you are serious about.

i was sort of serious about it, but i was never really on the argument to begin with. i briefly mentioned it in one post.

still besides the point though. guzman to the pen is a bad idea.

cjbucks · May 20, 2007

BTW - Who is taking Guzman's spot?

Lou hasn't named a pitcher yet...Sean Marshall is the leading candidate and Wade Miller and Ryan Dempster are potential candidates too.

I haven't been following this at all. Although I read, well skimmed, some of the posts. If it was Dempster moved to starter which I'm assuming is a long shot who becomes closer?

I don't know. Wuertz? I heard it mentioned a few places on the radio but I don't know if it was a rumor or an actual possibility but it's worth noting that Dempster's name has been mentioned. I'd guess Dempster would have to fail if this were to happen.

Just for my information - who with even an ounce of credibility has mentioned Dempster as a candidate for becoming the 5th starter?

Amazing_Grace · May 20, 2007

This is dumb. If we really wanted to improve our bullpen we'd cut the guys that are stinking up the place, Howry and Eyre. But, oh wait, they're being paid several million dollars, and by the business rule of "I've-invested-so-much-in-this-thing-I'm-going-to-get-my-money's-worth-out-of-it-and-see-it-through-to-the-end-rather-than-cut-my-losses-because-that-will-somehow-justify-all-the-money-I've-already-wasted", the Cubs refuse to do this.

This is just stupid. Let's take a promising starter and make him into a reliever because we need more reliable people there and we can't get rid of the guys we have because of their contracts. It's another case of the Cubs being unwilling to bench/trade guys with big contracts. Suck it up, admit you made a mistake, and do what's best for the team. DFA Eyre, trade Howry even if it means eating part of his contract, and use Rocky Cherry and Carlos Marmol to replace them. That will improve the (choose your expletive) bullpen.

Soul · May 20, 2007

You just got done arguing that Hendry should be "pressured" by Lou. Backtracking off that one a little, eh?

oh yeah i really hammered that point home didn't I? By saying, "pressure hendry or something." wow how could anyone resist that terrifically supported premise.

Alright, next time I'll be sure to whip out my mind reading apparatus to better discern which arguments you are serious about.

i was sort of serious about it, but i was never really on the argument to begin with. i briefly mentioned it in one post.

still besides the point though. guzman to the pen is a bad idea.

You know, the funny thing is, I really don't like it either. I just don't see how the other options are much better. Certainly not worth making Lou out to be some kind of bumbling idiot.

Actually, I read the original post on this thread and didn't find an article link. The closest I could find was a cubs.com article which says Lou promises changes on Monday or Tuesday. So I'm not sure we even know exactly what Lou has planned.

NewUserName · May 20, 2007

Angel Guzman's career ML stats:

6.18 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 0.98 GO/AO, 1.88 K/BB, 4.92 BB/9, 9.27 K/9, 10.64 H/9

It's not like Guzman has the minor league track record of success to warrant this "effective ML starter" label some people are intent on giving him.

A handful of good innings in 2007 is a great start, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Guzman's curve is worlds better than last season. I'm glad to see it come back. But I think we can kiss the dream of 3 plus pitches goodbye. His changeup is junk the few times I've seen him throw it.

Guzman hasn't earned anything at the ML level. Acting like he's entitled to a rotation spot b/c of 20 innings in 2007 is silly. Guzman is more effective earlier in games anyway, which suggests he should be in the pen for now.

I really dont disagree with anything you are saying here. I just would like to know what are the better options though. If we had even some semi option this would make sense. I dont think the Cubs really have another option at starter.

RichHillIsABeast · May 20, 2007

Angel Guzman's career ML stats:

6.18 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 0.98 GO/AO, 1.88 K/BB, 4.92 BB/9, 9.27 K/9, 10.64 H/9

It's not like Guzman has the minor league track record of success to warrant this "effective ML starter" label some people are intent on giving him.

A handful of good innings in 2007 is a great start, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Guzman's curve is worlds better than last season. I'm glad to see it come back. But I think we can kiss the dream of 3 plus pitches goodbye. His changeup is junk the few times I've seen him throw it.

Guzman hasn't earned anything at the ML level. Acting like he's entitled to a rotation spot b/c of 20 innings in 2007 is silly. Guzman is more effective earlier in games anyway, which suggests he should be in the pen for now.

I really dont disagree with anything you are saying here. I just would like to know what are the better options though. If we had even some semi option this would make sense. I dont think the Cubs really have another option at starter.

Yup, we're in a bit of a bind. Marshall had a couple decent starts in AAA, but he's pretty similar stuff-wise to Lilly and Hill. Having 3 similar pitchers go every 5 days is not a good idea.

I'm really hoping for a trade. Hopefully we get rid of either Murton or Jones and nab a serviceable 5th starter who can keep you in the game for 6-7 innings.

I like Gooz. He's a lot better than his limited numbers in Chicago indicate, but he's got a lot to prove IMO. I'd be fine keeping him in the rotation if we had a steady pen. We don't. He usually only goes 5 innings when he starts. Not good. It just puts that much more pressure on the pen. With the crap that's been going on lately, you can almost guarantee the Cubs lose that game. Wuertz/Dempster can't pitch 4 innings every time Gooz starts.

Drew Doughty · May 20, 2007

Angel Guzman's career ML stats:

6.18 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 0.98 GO/AO, 1.88 K/BB, 4.92 BB/9, 9.27 K/9, 10.64 H/9

It's not like Guzman has the minor league track record of success to warrant this "effective ML starter" label some people are intent on giving him.

A handful of good innings in 2007 is a great start, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Guzman's curve is worlds better than last season. I'm glad to see it come back. But I think we can kiss the dream of 3 plus pitches goodbye. His changeup is junk the few times I've seen him throw it.

Guzman hasn't earned anything at the ML level. Acting like he's entitled to a rotation spot b/c of 20 innings in 2007 is silly. Guzman is more effective earlier in games anyway, which suggests he should be in the pen for now.

I really dont disagree with anything you are saying here. I just would like to know what are the better options though. If we had even some semi option this would make sense. I dont think the Cubs really have another option at starter.

Yup, we're in a bit of a bind. Marshall had a couple decent starts in AAA, but he's pretty similar stuff-wise to Lilly and Hill. Having 3 similar pitchers go every 5 days is not a good idea.

I'm really hoping for a trade. Hopefully we get rid of either Murton or Jones and nab a serviceable 5th starter who can keep you in the game for 6-7 innings.

I like Gooz. He's a lot better than his limited numbers in Chicago indicate, but he's got a lot to prove IMO. I'd be fine keeping him in the rotation if we had a steady pen. We don't. He usually only goes 5 innings when he starts. Not good. It just puts that much more pressure on the pen. With the crap that's been going on lately, you can almost guarantee the Cubs lose that game. Wuertz/Dempster can't pitch 4 innings every time Gooz starts.

i think he had a pitch count in his first game. in his second game he wasn't pitching well, in his third game he was taken out as what I would assume was a precautionary measure due to the cramp. I don't think it's fair to say he'll usually/probably pitch 5 innings per start. it's not like he had a high pitch count in any of his 3 starts. He could have pitched more, but Lou didn't let him. His highest pitch count of the 3 starts was 82.

May 20, 2007

Angel Guzman's career ML stats:

6.18 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 0.98 GO/AO, 1.88 K/BB, 4.92 BB/9, 9.27 K/9, 10.64 H/9

It's not like Guzman has the minor league track record of success to warrant this "effective ML starter" label some people are intent on giving him.

A handful of good innings in 2007 is a great start, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Guzman's curve is worlds better than last season. I'm glad to see it come back. But I think we can kiss the dream of 3 plus pitches goodbye. His changeup is junk the few times I've seen him throw it.

Guzman hasn't earned anything at the ML level. Acting like he's entitled to a rotation spot b/c of 20 innings in 2007 is silly. Guzman is more effective earlier in games anyway, which suggests he should be in the pen for now.

I really dont disagree with anything you are saying here. I just would like to know what are the better options though. If we had even some semi option this would make sense. I dont think the Cubs really have another option at starter.

Yup, we're in a bit of a bind. Marshall had a couple decent starts in AAA, but he's pretty similar stuff-wise to Lilly and Hill. Having 3 similar pitchers go every 5 days is not a good idea.

I'm really hoping for a trade. Hopefully we get rid of either Murton or Jones and nab a serviceable 5th starter who can keep you in the game for 6-7 innings.

I like Gooz. He's a lot better than his limited numbers in Chicago indicate, but he's got a lot to prove IMO. I'd be fine keeping him in the rotation if we had a steady pen. We don't. He usually only goes 5 innings when he starts. Not good. It just puts that much more pressure on the pen. With the crap that's been going on lately, you can almost guarantee the Cubs lose that game. Wuertz/Dempster can't pitch 4 innings every time Gooz starts.

i think he had a pitch count in his first game. in his second game he wasn't pitching well, in his third game he was taken out as what I would assume was a precautionary measure due to the cramp. I don't think it's fair to say he'll usually/probably pitch 5 innings per start. it's not like he had a high pitch count in any of his 3 starts. He could have pitched more, but Lou didn't let him. His highest pitch count of the 3 starts was 82.

Yeah, he was on a pitch count for the first start because he hadn't been stretched out.

May 20, 2007

Angel Guzman's career ML stats:

6.18 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 0.98 GO/AO, 1.88 K/BB, 4.92 BB/9, 9.27 K/9, 10.64 H/9

It's not like Guzman has the minor league track record of success to warrant this "effective ML starter" label some people are intent on giving him.

A handful of good innings in 2007 is a great start, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Guzman's curve is worlds better than last season. I'm glad to see it come back. But I think we can kiss the dream of 3 plus pitches goodbye. His changeup is junk the few times I've seen him throw it.

Guzman hasn't earned anything at the ML level. Acting like he's entitled to a rotation spot b/c of 20 innings in 2007 is silly. Guzman is more effective earlier in games anyway, which suggests he should be in the pen for now.

Seeing as he didn't have his plus curve last season (and he does this season), I'm not sure what the point of showing career ML stats is.

CubColtPacer · May 20, 2007

Angel Guzman's career ML stats:

6.18 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 0.98 GO/AO, 1.88 K/BB, 4.92 BB/9, 9.27 K/9, 10.64 H/9

It's not like Guzman has the minor league track record of success to warrant this "effective ML starter" label some people are intent on giving him.

A handful of good innings in 2007 is a great start, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Guzman's curve is worlds better than last season. I'm glad to see it come back. But I think we can kiss the dream of 3 plus pitches goodbye. His changeup is junk the few times I've seen him throw it.

Guzman hasn't earned anything at the ML level. Acting like he's entitled to a rotation spot b/c of 20 innings in 2007 is silly. Guzman is more effective earlier in games anyway, which suggests he should be in the pen for now.

I really dont disagree with anything you are saying here. I just would like to know what are the better options though. If we had even some semi option this would make sense. I dont think the Cubs really have another option at starter.

Yup, we're in a bit of a bind. Marshall had a couple decent starts in AAA, but he's pretty similar stuff-wise to Lilly and Hill. Having 3 similar pitchers go every 5 days is not a good idea.

I'm really hoping for a trade. Hopefully we get rid of either Murton or Jones and nab a serviceable 5th starter who can keep you in the game for 6-7 innings.

I like Gooz. He's a lot better than his limited numbers in Chicago indicate, but he's got a lot to prove IMO. I'd be fine keeping him in the rotation if we had a steady pen. We don't. He usually only goes 5 innings when he starts. Not good. It just puts that much more pressure on the pen. With the crap that's been going on lately, you can almost guarantee the Cubs lose that game. Wuertz/Dempster can't pitch 4 innings every time Gooz starts.

i think he had a pitch count in his first game. in his second game he wasn't pitching well, in his third game he was taken out as what I would assume was a precautionary measure due to the cramp. I don't think it's fair to say he'll usually/probably pitch 5 innings per start. it's not like he had a high pitch count in any of his 3 starts. He could have pitched more, but Lou didn't let him. His highest pitch count of the 3 starts was 82.

This is what scares me a little about Guz. I looked back into his minor league and major league starts from last year, as far back as when he came back down from the ML in the middle of June. He made 8-9 starts in the minors, then 10 more in the majors. This year, he's made 3 starts in the minors and 3 in the majors. So that's 24-25 starts-Guzman made it into the 7th inning whatsoever in exactly 1 of those ballgames-notice I didn't even say completed, but rather simply started the 7th inning. He started the 6th inning in less than half of those starts.

While I would expect that number to be lower than a normal pitcher due to coming back from injury/called up to the major leagues/some games being on a pitch count due to conversion from bullpen to starter, the fact that he has only 1 game over 6 innings concerns me. He hasn't shown that he can be stretched out very long, and that could tax the bullpen heavily. When you consider also that 3 of those starts he left early due to cramps after going 3.2 innings or more, it makes you wonder about his body's ability to handle those innings/pitch counts.

May 20, 2007

Angel Guzman's career ML stats:

6.18 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, 0.98 GO/AO, 1.88 K/BB, 4.92 BB/9, 9.27 K/9, 10.64 H/9

It's not like Guzman has the minor league track record of success to warrant this "effective ML starter" label some people are intent on giving him.

A handful of good innings in 2007 is a great start, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Guzman's curve is worlds better than last season. I'm glad to see it come back. But I think we can kiss the dream of 3 plus pitches goodbye. His changeup is junk the few times I've seen him throw it.

Guzman hasn't earned anything at the ML level. Acting like he's entitled to a rotation spot b/c of 20 innings in 2007 is silly. Guzman is more effective earlier in games anyway, which suggests he should be in the pen for now.

I really dont disagree with anything you are saying here. I just would like to know what are the better options though. If we had even some semi option this would make sense. I dont think the Cubs really have another option at starter.

Yup, we're in a bit of a bind. Marshall had a couple decent starts in AAA, but he's pretty similar stuff-wise to Lilly and Hill. Having 3 similar pitchers go every 5 days is not a good idea.

I'm really hoping for a trade. Hopefully we get rid of either Murton or Jones and nab a serviceable 5th starter who can keep you in the game for 6-7 innings.

I like Gooz. He's a lot better than his limited numbers in Chicago indicate, but he's got a lot to prove IMO. I'd be fine keeping him in the rotation if we had a steady pen. We don't. He usually only goes 5 innings when he starts. Not good. It just puts that much more pressure on the pen. With the crap that's been going on lately, you can almost guarantee the Cubs lose that game. Wuertz/Dempster can't pitch 4 innings every time Gooz starts.

i think he had a pitch count in his first game. in his second game he wasn't pitching well, in his third game he was taken out as what I would assume was a precautionary measure due to the cramp. I don't think it's fair to say he'll usually/probably pitch 5 innings per start. it's not like he had a high pitch count in any of his 3 starts. He could have pitched more, but Lou didn't let him. His highest pitch count of the 3 starts was 82.

This is what scares me a little about Guz. I looked back into his minor league and major league starts from last year, as far back as when he came back down from the ML in the middle of June. He made 8-9 starts in the minors, then 10 more in the majors. This year, he's made 3 starts in the minors and 3 in the majors. So that's 24-25 starts-Guzman made it into the 7th inning whatsoever in exactly 1 of those ballgames-notice I didn't even say completed, but rather simply started the 7th inning. He started the 6th inning in less than half of those starts.

While I would expect that number to be lower than a normal pitcher due to coming back from injury/called up to the major leagues/some games being on a pitch count due to conversion from bullpen to starter, the fact that he has only 1 game over 6 innings concerns me. He hasn't shown that he can be stretched out very long, and that could tax the bullpen heavily. When you consider also that 3 of those starts he left early due to cramps after going 3.2 innings or more, it makes you wonder about his body's ability to handle those innings/pitch counts.

And Sean Marshall is the leading option to replace Guzman. He's got a long injury history too and averaged 85.8 pitches/game last season in the bigs.

windycityfan · May 20, 2007

Actually, I read the original post on this thread and didn't find an article link. The closest I could find was a cubs.com article which says Lou promises changes on Monday or Tuesday. So I'm not sure we even know exactly what Lou has planned.

It all started out as a thought, well before it actually became just what is being talked about. Just saying.

Sarcastic · May 20, 2007

This is dumb. If we really wanted to improve our bullpen we'd cut the guys that are stinking up the place, Howry and Eyre. But, oh wait, they're being paid several million dollars, and by the business rule of "I've-invested-so-much-in-this-thing-I'm-going-to-get-my-money's-worth-out-of-it-and-see-it-through-to-the-end-rather-than-cut-my-losses-because-that-will-somehow-justify-all-the-money-I've-already-wasted", the Cubs refuse to do this.

This is just stupid. Let's take a promising starter and make him into a reliever because we need more reliable people there and we can't get rid of the guys we have because of their contracts. It's another case of the Cubs being unwilling to bench/trade guys with big contracts. Suck it up, admit you made a mistake, and do what's best for the team. DFA Eyre, trade Howry even if it means eating part of his contract, and use Rocky Cherry and Carlos Marmol to replace them. That will improve the (choose your expletive) bullpen.

No, it will not. Howry is a legitamate set up guy, even if he has struggled this season. Replacing him with Marmol and expecting the pen to improve is absurd. And, despite his problems, I'd still rather see Eyre in the pen than Cherry. Eyre is inconsistent, but Cherry has no success to his name besides a few spring training innings.

There is no way the Cubs can replace Howry and Eyre with minor leaguers and expect the pen to improve, and this overreaction to what is most likely a slow start and a down year for the two relievers, respectively, is unwarranted.

I hope that the Cubs don't end up leaving Guzman in the pen for long, considering that he is currently the best option for the #5 spot in the rotation. None of us can assess the full extent of the problem this move represents until we know who will be taking that spot.

CubColtPacer · May 20, 2007

Yup, we're in a bit of a bind. Marshall had a couple decent starts in AAA, but he's pretty similar stuff-wise to Lilly and Hill. Having 3 similar pitchers go every 5 days is not a good idea.

I'm really hoping for a trade. Hopefully we get rid of either Murton or Jones and nab a serviceable 5th starter who can keep you in the game for 6-7 innings.

I like Gooz. He's a lot better than his limited numbers in Chicago indicate, but he's got a lot to prove IMO. I'd be fine keeping him in the rotation if we had a steady pen. We don't. He usually only goes 5 innings when he starts. Not good. It just puts that much more pressure on the pen. With the crap that's been going on lately, you can almost guarantee the Cubs lose that game. Wuertz/Dempster can't pitch 4 innings every time Gooz starts.

i think he had a pitch count in his first game. in his second game he wasn't pitching well, in his third game he was taken out as what I would assume was a precautionary measure due to the cramp. I don't think it's fair to say he'll usually/probably pitch 5 innings per start. it's not like he had a high pitch count in any of his 3 starts. He could have pitched more, but Lou didn't let him. His highest pitch count of the 3 starts was 82.

This is what scares me a little about Guz. I looked back into his minor league and major league starts from last year, as far back as when he came back down from the ML in the middle of June. He made 8-9 starts in the minors, then 10 more in the majors. This year, he's made 3 starts in the minors and 3 in the majors. So that's 24-25 starts-Guzman made it into the 7th inning whatsoever in exactly 1 of those ballgames-notice I didn't even say completed, but rather simply started the 7th inning. He started the 6th inning in less than half of those starts.

While I would expect that number to be lower than a normal pitcher due to coming back from injury/called up to the major leagues/some games being on a pitch count due to conversion from bullpen to starter, the fact that he has only 1 game over 6 innings concerns me. He hasn't shown that he can be stretched out very long, and that could tax the bullpen heavily. When you consider also that 3 of those starts he left early due to cramps after going 3.2 innings or more, it makes you wonder about his body's ability to handle those innings/pitch counts.

And Sean Marshall is the leading option to replace Guzman. He's got a long injury history too and averaged 85.8 pitches/game last season in the bigs.

That's a good point. At the same time, Marshall has shown in the past couple weeks that he can handle the pitch counts at the moment. Guzman hasn't made it to 85 pitches in any of his last 9 starts, dating back to last year, twice coming out because of cramps. His stats show that he wears down in ballgames, and he hasn't been able to break 85 pitches, something he was able to do only a few times last year. However effective he might have been in the rotation had he been left there, he wasn't likely going to be a guy this year who was going to give you 90-100 pitches an outing before leaving on a regular basis, and the fact that he has had trouble going over that pitch count since last year (and as far as I can tell, he only broke 100 once last year) means that the bullpen would be getting a lot of work. Even while rehabbing, Marshall has been higher recently-87, 92, and 97 pitches in his last 3 starts.

Rob · May 20, 2007

This is about the dumbest idea the Cubs could have come up with, so I was sure this was the "shake-up" they were talking about from the get-go.

Gooz is just finally getting back into his stride after all the injury concerns, and showing he can be that guy that posted the 40:0 SO:W rate in 30 IP. But simply because Lou doesn't know how to deploy his bullpen, Gooz gets moved in there.

This sort of thing is exactly why my optimism was tempered even when Lou was saying all the right things back in the offseason and during spring training. It's one thing to talk a good game, but Lou just doesn't deliver tactically. He's a bad manager... using a bad solution to a problem he created through his own incompetence.

XZero771679666304 · May 20, 2007

This is about the dumbest idea the Cubs could have come up with, so I was sure this was the "shake-up" they were talking about from the get-go.

Gooz is just finally getting back into his stride after all the injury concerns, and showing he can be that guy that posted the 40:0 SO:W rate in 30 IP. But simply because Lou doesn't know how to deploy his bullpen, Gooz gets moved in there.

This sort of thing is exactly why my optimism was tempered even when Lou was saying all the right things back in the offseason and during spring training. It's one thing to talk a good game, but Lou just doesn't deliver tactically. He's a bad manager... using a bad solution to a problem he created through his own incompetence.

I know Lou hasn't used the pen in optimal fashion, but he didn't "create" the problem. Eyre, Ohman and Howry have stunk in nearly every situation they have been brought into, particularly Eyre.

But I agree, the decision to stick Gooz back in the pen is piss poor one.

RynoRules · May 20, 2007

I agree - i am not sure how we can blame Lou for how Eyre, Howry, and Ohman have performed. Look no futher than the front office on that issue. That said, I don't get why Guz should be in the pen either.

Rob · May 20, 2007

This is about the dumbest idea the Cubs could have come up with, so I was sure this was the "shake-up" they were talking about from the get-go.

Gooz is just finally getting back into his stride after all the injury concerns, and showing he can be that guy that posted the 40:0 SO:W rate in 30 IP. But simply because Lou doesn't know how to deploy his bullpen, Gooz gets moved in there.

This sort of thing is exactly why my optimism was tempered even when Lou was saying all the right things back in the offseason and during spring training. It's one thing to talk a good game, but Lou just doesn't deliver tactically. He's a bad manager... using a bad solution to a problem he created through his own incompetence.

I know Lou hasn't used the pen in optimal fashion, but he didn't "create" the problem. Eyre, Ohman and Howry have stunk in nearly every situation they have been brought into, particularly Eyre.

But I agree, the decision to stick Gooz back in the pen is piss poor one.

Eyre has been horrible... that one was predictable, but I suppose that falls on Hendry.

Ohman has done a very solid job as a LOOGY. It's Lou's fault that he's using him against righties too.

For all the complaints about Howry, he's not been especially bad... the problem has been that his league-average performance has come during highly leveraged situations... and Lou is the one who puts him in there.

A New Era · May 20, 2007

Just curious, what's pushing the page over waaaay to the right, on some of the pages?

Soriano12 · May 20, 2007

This is a dumb move. No doubt about it.

Omar · May 20, 2007

This is a typical Cubs move. No doubt about it.

Fix'd.

ChiCubsFan · May 20, 2007

Ohman against lefties:

6.0 IP, 2 H, 3 BB, 11 K

Ohman against righties:

6.0 IP, 7 H, 2 BB, 4 K

Entire career is much of the same. (1.05 WHIP to 1.63 WHIP)

We all knew that. Ohman should only be used against lefties. I'd use Wuertz, Marmol, and Howry in the 7th/8th and Dempster in the 9th. Leave Guz in the rotation. Guzman may not turn out to be a sucessful starter, but I would be willing to give him that chance. As long as its Marshall (and not Miller or some other scrub) then it makes it slightly more bearable. Oh well, hope it all works out.

abuck1220 · May 20, 2007

I agree - i am not sure how we can blame Lou for how Eyre, Howry, and Ohman have performed. Look no futher than the front office on that issue. That said, I don't get why Guz should be in the pen either.

you can blame lou for punishing guzman for those guys' failures.

Omar · May 20, 2007

Didnt Z have cramps before?

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