Myers named new Phillies Closer

[sunnydoo]

Never been a fan of Manual, but it appears he knew what he was doing when he moved Myers to the pen.

 

Flash has rotator cuff problems and Myers has been moved to the closer role. Think this may be the last rodeo for Flash, b/c at 39 if he has serious RC problems, he might be done.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2860328

[abuck1220]

how does this make manuel look like he knew what he was doing?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

how does this make manuel look like he knew what he was doing?

 

Same way the Lester move makes the Red Sox look smart. :roll:

[Jehrico]

Manual is still an idiot. He would have been better off letting a setup man close while keeping his ace in the rotation. The first 6 or 7 innings every fifth day are still more important that 40 or 50 9th innings.

[tadowdaddy]

how does this make manuel look like he knew what he was doing?

 

LMAO! You're just pissed because of your over abundance of closers now in RK... haha! Agreed though, Myers should be in the rotation.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Never been a fan of Manual, but it appears he knew what he was doing when he moved Myers to the pen.

 

No, it doesn't.

[Rob]

They would have been better served to turn Freddy Garcia into the batboy than to turn Myers into the closer.

[NCCubFan]

how does this make manuel look like he knew what he was doing?

 

LMAO! You're just pissed because of your over abundance of closers now in RK... haha! Agreed though, Myers should be in the rotation.

Maybe Myers will be the next closer for him to trade to me right before getting injured or replaced. :lol:

[abuck1220]

how does this make manuel look like he knew what he was doing?

 

LMAO! You're just pissed because of your over abundance of closers now in RK... haha! Agreed though, Myers should be in the rotation.

 

i don't mind having a bunch of closers...it's worked out pretty well for me so far. it's the losing the starter part that stings.

[frostwyrm]

You could have a guy pitching 200+ innings with an ERA below 4, or you could have the guy pitch one inning at a time in save situations. EASY choice. The save is the bestest most valuablest stat ever! Only dumb people don't know that.

[sunnydoo]

how does this make manuel look like he knew what he was doing?

 

been busy, but in case you missed it, ESPN confirmed that Manuel knew all along about what was going on with Gordon. When he moved Myers to the pen, he was in effect getting ready to tab him as closer because he felt that he was the best option on the team to close.

 

here is that article, also details some other funny biz going on.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2864344

[Transmogrified Tiger]

how does this make manuel look like he knew what he was doing?

 

been busy, but in case you missed it, ESPN confirmed that Manuel knew all along about what was going on with Gordon. When he moved Myers to the pen, he was in effect getting ready to tab him as closer because he felt that he was the best option on the team to close.

 

here is that article, also details some other funny biz going on.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=2864344

 

Having a closer get hurt doesn't make it any less crazy to turn a good starter into a closer.

[sunnydoo]

Having a closer get hurt doesn't make it any less crazy to turn a good starter into a closer.

 

Here are your choices, also note that 6 of these guys are starters. Your GM is looking for a Closer, but so are half a dozen other teams and its April, so no one wants to really deal big pieces yet. Do you pick Myers and hope for Dempster/Eckersley or do you go with the 6 finger wonderkin and run or demote a starter to long relief. If you do which starter sits?

 

57 Alfonseca, Antonio

52 Castro, Fabio

55 Condrey, Clay

23 Eaton, Adam

34 García, Freddy

56 Geary, Geoff

35 Hamels, Cole

44 Hernández, Yoel

21 Lieber, Jon

50 Moyer, Jamie

39 Myers, Brett

54 Rosario, Francisco

[abuck1220]

dempster was made a closer b/c he sucked as a starter. myers was a good starter.

[Guest]

Having a closer get hurt doesn't make it any less crazy to turn a good starter into a closer.

 

Here are your choices, also note that 6 of these guys are starters. Your GM is looking for a Closer, but so are half a dozen other teams and its April, so no one wants to really deal big pieces yet. Do you pick Myers and hope for Dempster/Eckersley or do you go with the 6 finger wonderkin and run or demote a starter to long relief. If you do which starter sits?

 

57 Alfonseca, Antonio

52 Castro, Fabio

55 Condrey, Clay

23 Eaton, Adam

34 García, Freddy

56 Geary, Geoff

35 Hamels, Cole

44 Hernández, Yoel

21 Lieber, Jon

50 Moyer, Jamie

39 Myers, Brett

54 Rosario, Francisco

 

So it's better to get 75 innings from Myers than 200?

[sunnydoo]

So it's better to get 75 innings from Myers than 200?

 

With no change in personnel, the choice is 5 veteran starters with Myers closing or 5 veteran starters, 1 unhappy starter in the pen, and Alf closing.

 

As a long time Cub fan, this is a no brainer.

[Jon]

So it's better to get 75 innings from Myers than 200?

 

With no change in personnel, the choice is 5 veteran starters with Myers closing or 5 veteran starters, 1 unhappy starter in the pen, and Alf closing.

 

As a long time Cub fan, this is a no brainer.

As someone who doesn't like the Phillies, it's Myers to the bullpen.

 

For the manager of the Phillies, it's probably best to take care of the rotation before worrying about something less significant like one spot in the bullpen.

[Guest]

So it's better to get 75 innings from Myers than 200?

 

With no change in personnel, the choice is 5 veteran starters with Myers closing or 5 veteran starters, 1 unhappy starter in the pen, and Alf closing.

 

As a long time Cub fan, this is a no brainer.

 

Move the worst of the veteran starters to the pen, not your best.

[rawaction]

It's ironic that a team under .500 (and was moreso when the move was made), has finding a guy to close out wins as their top priority. The Red Sox moving an inexperienced starter and great proven closer (Papelbon) back to the bullpen before the season was stupid. Moving Myers to closer is insane. But at least the Sox will win more games than they lose, thus making a closer more important to them, theorectically.

[sunnydoo]

Move the worst of the veteran starters to the pen, not your best.

 

Ok, then i watch you get fired as Eaton sets up and Alf closed. With that tandem, it wouldnt matter how many innings or runs your starters gave up. Better hope for a ton of complete games.

[TruffleShuffle]

this is elementary.

 

Brett Myers is one of the best pitchers on the team.

 

Do you want one of your best pitchers throwing 75 innings or 200 innings?

 

If it's Eric Gagne - 75 innings because he's proven that he's better and stays healthier in that role. If it's Brett Myers, 200 innings because he can be just as good starting as he can be relieving.

[rawaction]

Move the worst of the veteran starters to the pen, not your best.

 

Ok, then i watch you get fired as Eaton sets up and Alf closed. With that tandem, it wouldnt matter how many innings or runs your starters gave up. Better hope for a ton of complete games.

 

Yep, because GMs are big on letting you keep your job after a horrible tenure, when you finish 4th instead of 5th in your division.

[Guest]

this is elementary.

 

Brett Myers is one of the best pitchers on the team.

 

Do you want one of your best pitchers throwing 75 innings or 200 innings?

 

If it's Eric Gagne - 75 innings because he's proven that he's better and stays healthier in that role. If it's Brett Myers, 200 innings because he can be just as good starting as he can be relieving.

 

So it would seem this is elementary.

 

Charlie Manuel should have been fired before now. Having Bretty Myers close (and first set up), rather than have him starting isn't somehow going to save Manuel's job if it already was in jeapordy.

[CubColtPacer]

Wow, this is a tougher dilemma that I originally thought.

 

I was one of the ones laughing when Manuel originally made this move-to take out your best starter and put him anywhere in relief is simply really bad.

 

However, I took a look at the Phillies bullpen, and sunnydoo's arguments do make sense. If you put Eaton in the pen, you have all the starters pitching well, and you'll have a lot of leads in the 7th inning-but the bullpen only has 2-3 decent pitchers in it, and no good pitchers, so they are going to blow a lot of leads.

 

Putting Myers in the bullpen, now you are basically sacrificing 1 game out of 5 when Eaton starts. In the other 4 games though, your chances of winning go up, and possibly significantly up. Is that increased chance of winning worth sacrificing 1 out of 5? Normally, no-but for a team with as bad of a bullpen as the Phillies have, it might just be, because otherwise they are going to lose a lot of close games. Also, Myers is a very good starter, but so far he has been a dominant reliever-that increase in his production doesn't offset the drop in innings, but it does help.

 

There's one big flaw in this argument though-the Phillies as a self-contained organization might get more wins with Myers in the pen. The best move though is to simply trade for a bullpen arm-as much as there is a lack of starting pitching available, there always is a relief pitcher or two that could be had, especially if they give up one of the starters. That would give you a bigger increase in win totals then moving Myers.

[sunnydoo]

The best move though is to simply trade for a bullpen arm-as much as there is a lack of starting pitching available, there always is a relief pitcher or two that could be had, especially if they give up one of the starters. That would give you a bigger increase in win totals then moving Myers.

 

Exactamundo.

 

However, the one thing i disagree with you on CubColt (the highlighted quote) is that as i mentioned before, at least 6 teams are looking for closers at the moment and no one wants to trade big pieces this early in the season.

 

So its going to be real pricey to go out and get a true closer. True you could send one of your starters for a set up man like a Farnsworth, but you would have to take a leap of faith that they are going to be able to close with regularity and consistency. Just dont see anyone selling a 30 save closer at the moment.