Myers named new Phillies Closer

[abuck1220]

Ahh, yes, condescension. I guess when you have no point, it's just easiest to be a prick?

 

Let's see here... since some of you guys are so dazzled by Myers as a starter, I thought I'd look at some of his numbers...

 

a 1.36 WHIP, a .262 BAA, 4.42 ERA, and a k/9 of 7.3. Sorry, but what is so spectacular about that? Besides his k rate, he seems to have average #4 or 5 starter numbers to me.

 

But, in his admittedly limited time as a reliever, every one of those numbers has gotten better...

 

1.24 WHIP, .218 BAA, 1.29 ERA, and a k/9 of 13.29.

 

Yeah, I see what you're saying. :roll:

 

Are you really going by the career averages of a 26 year old starting pitcher who came into the league at the age of 22?

 

His last two seasons have been the stuff of a No. 2 starter, and he's not even near his pitching prime. His numbers are skewed by a rough 75 starts when he was getting his feet wet.

 

I guess when your "point" is completely wrong, it's just easiest to make a fool of yourself.

 

The difference is, I have a point. You have NOTHING but pure speculation. Pitchers in their prime have regressed before, you know. Myers wasn't moved to the pen because the Phillies had to have him there. He was moved because he flat out stunk in the rotation this season.

 

5 IP per start, with a 9+ ERA, and a WHIP of 1.6. Yep, those look like #2 starter numbers to me. Good point.

 

In three starts. If you can't grasp how stupid it is to move a 26 year old, coming off two good-to-great seasons, to the bullpen because of two bad starts (his first start was good), then it's not even worth having this discussion with you.

 

His numbers as a reliever are still better than his "good to great" seasons as a starter.

 

Look, we disagree. No big deal. I just find the "Message Board Mentality" funny. You know.. the one where posters on a message board all think that they are so much smarter than actual executives in MLB. Yeah, we're all so smart. That's why none of us have a job in professional baseball.

 

and i find the "he works in professional baseball so he must be good at his job" even funnier.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Let's not kid ourselves and paint Myers as some middle of the road starter. He was 15th in the NL in ERA, 16th in WHIP, 14th in BAA, 11th in K/BB, and 4th in K/9. He was a bona fide 2 starter(to use an arbitrary term) at least. Obviously he was better as a reliever, but that's not the point. For comparison's sake, Myers was about as good as Zambrano last year, and is less than a year older than him. If Dempster had blown his elbow out a couple weeks into this season, how many people would've thought it a good, or even sane, move to make Zambrano the closer?

[SouthSideRyan]

Ahh, yes, condescension. I guess when you have no point, it's just easiest to be a prick?

 

Let's see here... since some of you guys are so dazzled by Myers as a starter, I thought I'd look at some of his numbers...

 

a 1.36 WHIP, a .262 BAA, 4.42 ERA, and a k/9 of 7.3. Sorry, but what is so spectacular about that? Besides his k rate, he seems to have average #4 or 5 starter numbers to me.

 

But, in his admittedly limited time as a reliever, every one of those numbers has gotten better...

 

1.24 WHIP, .218 BAA, 1.29 ERA, and a k/9 of 13.29.

 

Yeah, I see what you're saying. :roll:

 

Are you really going by the career averages of a 26 year old starting pitcher who came into the league at the age of 22?

 

His last two seasons have been the stuff of a No. 2 starter, and he's not even near his pitching prime. His numbers are skewed by a rough 75 starts when he was getting his feet wet.

 

I guess when your "point" is completely wrong, it's just easiest to make a fool of yourself.

 

The difference is, I have a point. You have NOTHING but pure speculation. Pitchers in their prime have regressed before, you know. Myers wasn't moved to the pen because the Phillies had to have him there. He was moved because he flat out stunk in the rotation this season.

 

5 IP per start, with a 9+ ERA, and a WHIP of 1.6. Yep, those look like #2 starter numbers to me. Good point.

 

In three starts. If you can't grasp how stupid it is to move a 26 year old, coming off two good-to-great seasons, to the bullpen because of two bad starts (his first start was good), then it's not even worth having this discussion with you.

 

His numbers as a reliever are still better than his "good to great" seasons as a starter.

 

Look, we disagree. No big deal. I just find the "Message Board Mentality" funny. You know.. the one where posters on a message board all think that they are so much smarter than actual executives in MLB. Yeah, we're all so smart. That's why none of us have a job in professional baseball.

 

Every politician/pundit is smarter than you at running the government.

 

Mike North knows way more about sports than you do.

 

There are dopes EVERYWHERE in this world, many of them in high paying/high power positions. These dopes then use this power/money to hire more dopes because they don't know any better. Cause they're dopes.

[sunnydoo]

Alf shocks the world and makes his first save of the year in Atlanta.

 

Alfonseca pitched the ninth for his first save since Sept. 13, 2002 with the Chicago Cubs at Cincinnati.

 

"It's been a long time," Alfonseca said. "I'll remember this day."

 

His ERA drops to a microscopic 4.57....(thats microscopic by Cub bullpen standards).