Santo Doesn't Make the HOF by 5 Votes

[TruffleShuffle]

Unfortunately, there are some stubborn, crusty old men on that committee who think that nobody worse than them should be elected. The increased exposure of sabermetrics has helped Santo's cause, and I think most people who truly understand baseball know that Santo is one of the 10 best third basemen in history and belongs in the HOF. But until some of those dinosaurs die off, it's not going to happen, and that's just sad.

[TruffleShuffle]

Poll on ESPN:

 

1) Should Ron Santo be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

77.6% Yes

22.4% No

 

2) Should Tony Oliva be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

72.2% No

27.8% Yes

 

3) Should Jim Kaat be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

64.7% No

35.3% Yes

 

4) Should Maury Wills be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

71.1% No

28.9% Yes

 

5) Should Don Newcombe be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

76.9% No

23.1% Yes

 

6) Should Gil Hodges be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

55.2% Yes

44.8% No

 

 

 

Boy, even the public has it right. If I had my way, Ron Santo and Marvin Miller would have been voted in long ago.

[Derwood]

my original theory that Santo will get in posthumously still stands

[NCCubFan]

If I had my way, Ron Santo and Marvin Miller would have been voted in long ago.

There's zero justification for Buck O'Neill not being in either, but that's not the Veterans Committee's fault.

[Derwood]

Poll on ESPN:

 

1) Should Ron Santo be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

77.6% Yes

22.4% No

 

2) Should Tony Oliva be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

72.2% No

27.8% Yes

 

3) Should Jim Kaat be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

64.7% No

35.3% Yes

 

4) Should Maury Wills be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

71.1% No

28.9% Yes

 

5) Should Don Newcombe be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

76.9% No

23.1% Yes

 

6) Should Gil Hodges be elected to the Hall of Fame?

 

55.2% Yes

44.8% No

 

 

 

Boy, even the public has it right. If I had my way, Ron Santo and Marvin Miller would have been voted in long ago.

 

though the public barely has him over the 75% as well

[RichHillIsABeast]

I'm pretty mad about this, but Santo must just be sad. Hopefully the Cubs start out hot. That'll help.

[daske17]

Those of us who are upset with today's results shouldn't probably visit the Chicago Tribune post thread discussing Santo. It's pretty vicious. Makes me happy for my NSBB!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Looking at the vote total, five more people voted Santo this time than last time. Considering we know that Sandberg likely is one of those.

 

He's not picking up any "new" votes from people who previously voted against him.

 

I think it could be safe to say that until there's some turn-over, Santo doesn't have much of a chance unless they revise the process.

 

So you're saying Schmidt lied? Shocking.

[mul21]

I was listening to the Dan Patrick show when they announced they had the results and Olberman was on with him when they did. Olberman was irate with the results and basically said that if he wasn't on live radio that he would call all the mebers of the veterans commitee every name in the book for not electing Santo. At least some people in the media have a clue when it comes to this issue.

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

I was listening to the Dan Patrick show when they announced they had the results and Olberman was on with him when they did. Olberman was irate with the results and basically said that if he wasn't on live radio that he would call all the mebers of the veterans commitee every name in the book for not electing Santo. At least some people in the media have a clue when it comes to this issue.

 

 

Olberman's a huge baseball fan. He was on Conan last week talking a little about the upcoming season and displayed a few 'unique' baseball cards he collects that had players flipping off the photographer discreetly, posing with an open fly and one holding a bat with an inscription on the bottom that can clearly be read as "f___ face". Wonder if he'll talk about this on his "Countdown" show tomorrow.

 

Sadly, I don't see any objection by fans or media changing minds on the veterans' committee. Not that they can't change their minds, but little, if anything, will influence them.

[NCCubFan]

Sadly, I don't see any objection by fans or media changing minds on the veterans' committee. Not that they can't change their minds, but little, if anything, will influence them.

I don't think anything will change the minds of the committee as it currently stands. What needs to happen is for the Hall itself to change the makeup of the committee.

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Sadly, I don't see any objection by fans or media changing minds on the veterans' committee. Not that they can't change their minds, but little, if anything, will influence them.

I don't think anything will change the minds of the committee as it currently stands. What needs to happen is for the Hall itself to change the makeup of the committee.

 

 

A little hope:

 

Bruce Levine reported that the Hall of Fame may look at the makeup of the veterans' committee next month during their organizational meetings.

[Backtobanks]

With the veterans, the top two vote getters get in period.

 

that would lead to some really mediocre players getting in.

 

 

Yeah, mediocre like Santo, Rice, Hodges, Wills, Kaat as opposed to players like Mazeroski and Ozzie Smith. Some of the names mentioned in these posts could be enough for the veterans committee to put in 2 per year for the next 3 or 4 years.

[Guest]

With the veterans, the top two vote getters get in period.

 

that would lead to some really mediocre players getting in.

 

 

Yeah, mediocre like Santo, Rice, Hodges, Wills, Kaat as opposed to players like Mazeroski and Ozzie Smith. Some of the names mentioned in these posts could be enough for the veterans committee to put in 2 per year for the next 3 or 4 years.

 

Mazeroski in the HOF, and Santo and Buck O'neill not, is simply minbogling stupidity courtesy of the HOF. This is unbelieveable.

[abuck1220]

With the veterans, the top two vote getters get in period.

 

that would lead to some really mediocre players getting in.

 

 

Yeah, mediocre like Santo, Rice, Hodges, Wills, Kaat as opposed to players like Mazeroski and Ozzie Smith. Some of the names mentioned in these posts could be enough for the veterans committee to put in 2 per year for the next 3 or 4 years.

 

if they were forced to put two in a year, do you realize the quality of player that would be getting in 10-12 years from now? bret saberhagen would get in.

[NCCubFan]

if they were forced to put two in a year, do you realize the quality of player that would be getting in 10-12 years from now? bret saberhagen would get in.

Once all the deserving players get in they could always change the rules again to prevent that from happening.

[ConstableRabbit]

I haven't looked through all 10 pages, but this is absolutely INFURIATING! :evil:

 

"We're being blamed because something hasn't happened," Hall member and vice chairman Joe Morgan said. "If you're asking me, 'Do we lower our standards to get more people in?' my answer would be no."

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

I haven't looked through all 10 pages, but this is absolutely INFURIATING! :evil:

 

"We're being blamed because something hasn't happened," Hall member and vice chairman Joe Morgan said. "If you're asking me, 'Do we lower our standards to get more people in?' my answer would be no."

 

 

Mac, Jurko and Harry played a soundbite from a brief interview Bruce Levine held with a member of the Hall of Fame board (Jane something) and Joe Morgan. Levine kept calling out Morgan and saying that perhaps the players on the veterans' committee aren't intelligent enough to vote in the right players. Hopefully they make it available on espn1000's website.

[USSoccer]

I haven't looked through all 10 pages, but this is absolutely INFURIATING! :evil:

 

"We're being blamed because something hasn't happened," Hall member and vice chairman Joe Morgan said. "If you're asking me, 'Do we lower our standards to get more people in?' my answer would be no."

 

 

Mac, Jurko and Harry played a soundbite from a brief interview Bruce Levine held with a member of the Hall of Fame board (Jane something) and Joe Morgan. Levine kept calling out Morgan and saying that perhaps the players on the veterans' committee aren't intelligent enough to vote in the right players. Hopefully they make it available on espn1000's website.

 

If Levine actually said that he's earned a gold star in my book for asking a tough question.

[CubinNY]

I haven't looked through all 10 pages, but this is absolutely INFURIATING! :evil:

 

"We're being blamed because something hasn't happened," Hall member and vice chairman Joe Morgan said. "If you're asking me, 'Do we lower our standards to get more people in?' my answer would be no."

 

 

Mac, Jurko and Harry played a soundbite from a brief interview Bruce Levine held with a member of the Hall of Fame board (Jane something) and Joe Morgan. Levine kept calling out Morgan and saying that perhaps the players on the veterans' committee aren't intelligent enough to vote in the right players. Hopefully they make it available on espn1000's website.

 

If Levine actually said that he's earned a gold star in my book for asking a tough question.

 

Making Joe Morgan the Vice Chairman of the committee is a perfect example of what is wrong with the vetrans committee.

 

It's like making Ralphie Wiggum the Mayor.

Edited February 27, 2007 by CubinNY

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Making Joe Morgan the Vice Chairman of the committee is a perfect example of what is wrong with the vetrans committee.

 

It's like making Raphie Wiggum the Mayor.

 

 

... I bent my wookie.

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

On espn.com they have the ESPN Motion clips, one of which has Tim Kurkjian criticizing the absence of Santo in light of today's voting results and acknowledges the veterans' resistance to expand their exclusivity to deserving candidates. Good to hear. Still frustrating as hell.

[Coach C]

Frusterating.

 

Ronny Santo is a Hall of Famer in my view, regardless of what the jokers in the Veterans Committe says.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Givem Heck Boys and Girls.

 

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[Backtobanks]

With the veterans, the top two vote getters get in period.

 

that would lead to some really mediocre players getting in.

 

 

Yeah, mediocre like Santo, Rice, Hodges, Wills, Kaat as opposed to players like Mazeroski and Ozzie Smith. Some of the names mentioned in these posts could be enough for the veterans committee to put in 2 per year for the next 3 or 4 years.

 

if they were forced to put two in a year, do you realize the quality of player that would be getting in 10-12 years from now? bret saberhagen would get in.

 

The whole point of the veteran's committee was to correct injustices of the past. What you have is a bunch of arrogant former players who think that the HOF should remain an exclusive club because they got in. I have no problem with putting in a temporary rule to put in 2 per year for the next 5 years and then reviewing the policy. That's 10 players before a review and every one of us could come up with 10 players that belong in without even thinking about it.