Cubs Sign Floyd, 1 yr / $3M

[BigbadB]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

 

He's a 260-270 with no power hitter unless he finds a lot of holes. If he does win/get the job he better be spectacular in the field.

[mg420]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

[E.J.]

Floyd does give them a pretty solid bench. If anyone needs to serve some DL time, they could bring up Moore for some extra RH punch off the bench.

 

 

Moore is a lefty.

[David]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

Of course it matters. That black hole in the lineup has more of an impact than anything he does on defense, no matter how good his glove is. Those teams may have won with those shortstops, but it wasn't because of them.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

Of course it matters. That black hole in the lineup has more of an impact than anything he does on defense, no matter how good his glove is. Those teams may have won with those shortstops, but it wasn't because of them.

 

Obviously it matters. I don't get why people think it doesn't. Just because other teams have won with bad players it doesn't mean the Cubs should purposefully use bad players. The CWS won with a supply of quality pitching that the Cubs are not guaranteed to have, and STL won because they were lucky to make the playoffs in the first place and they got extremely timely quality pitching from some otherwise mediocre pitchers.

[mg420]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

Of course it matters. That black hole in the lineup has more of an impact than anything he does on defense, no matter how good his glove is. Those teams may have won with those shortstops, but it wasn't because of them.

 

how many teams have won anything on the offense of their 8th place hitter?

[SAMMYWHO]

The tigers last year didn't win but they were pretty solid 1-9 until of course the famous trade with us.

[Backtobanks]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

Of course it matters. That black hole in the lineup has more of an impact than anything he does on defense, no matter how good his glove is. Those teams may have won with those shortstops, but it wasn't because of them.

 

how many teams have won anything on the offense of their 8th place hitter?

 

The problem becomes serious if and when Jones is traded and Pie gets to start. Pie as a struggling rookie, Izturis as a very weak hitter, and Blanco (somedays) as a defensive catcher all in the lineup at the same time makes for a really weak offensive team. If everything goes right (Lee, Soriano, Aram, & Barrett healthy and hitting along with strong pitching), the Cubs can get by with Izturis at SS, but a breakdown in any other areas would make it hard to have Izturis in the lineup on a daily basis. Being typical Cub fans, we expect a breakdown in some area.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

Of course it matters. That black hole in the lineup has more of an impact than anything he does on defense, no matter how good his glove is. Those teams may have won with those shortstops, but it wasn't because of them.

 

how many teams have won anything on the offense of their 8th place hitter?

 

You mean dispite their 8th place hitter!

 

I really didn't like it when the Cubs had AGonz, Miller and then the pitcher in 2003.

[abuck1220]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

Of course it matters. That black hole in the lineup has more of an impact than anything he does on defense, no matter how good his glove is. Those teams may have won with those shortstops, but it wasn't because of them.

 

how many teams have won anything on the offense of their 8th place hitter?

 

so the cubs should intentionally play a crappy hitter just b/c other teams have won with a bad 8th place hitter? that makes no sense.

[fromthestretch]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

The White Sox also had a team ERA of 3.61. I'd say that played a bigger role in their WS title than a guy with a .713 OPS.

[fromthestretch]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

Of course it matters. That black hole in the lineup has more of an impact than anything he does on defense, no matter how good his glove is. Those teams may have won with those shortstops, but it wasn't because of them.

 

how many teams have won anything on the offense of their 8th place hitter?

 

The Red Sox won in 2004 with a combined .833 OPS from the eighth spot in the order. I'd be much happier with that than a .700 OPS.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

Of course it matters. That black hole in the lineup has more of an impact than anything he does on defense, no matter how good his glove is. Those teams may have won with those shortstops, but it wasn't because of them.

 

how many teams have won anything on the offense of their 8th place hitter?

 

The Red Sox won in 2004 with a combined .833 OPS from the eighth spot in the order. I'd be much happier with that than a .700 OPS.

 

That is true-of course part of that was due to a strange batting order. Their 2 spot had a 765 OPS, and their 7 spot had a 749 OPS. Still better than anything the Cubs will throw out this year, but their order all the way down was not as stacked as an 833 in the 8 spot would have one believe.

[HoopsCubs]

I think Floyd makes the team better, but I think his addition takes away from Murton at bats. Will Lou want Ward and Floyd as the main threats off the bench, or will he like Ward and Murton?

 

I fear Jones will play everyday. Especially considering Jacque wanted to be traded and Hendry failed to accomodate him.

 

I think Floyd (when healthy) and Murton are better producers than Jones. So, if Jones is playing everyday and Murton and Floyd are splitting time, the Cubs really improved very little by adding Floyd. That improvement is basically only in the form of bench help.

 

But, I suppose I shouldn't assume Lou is Dusty part 2. But, he is the same manager who had Alex Gonzalez playing 3b in Tampa.

 

Triple B,

Short of the Cubs acquiring a right-handed platoon partner for Jones, I still think that when the Cubs are facing a lefty, Lou Piniella will consider using DeRosa in RF and starting Theriot at 2B.

 

Hoops

[BigbadB]

I think Floyd makes the team better, but I think his addition takes away from Murton at bats. Will Lou want Ward and Floyd as the main threats off the bench, or will he like Ward and Murton?

 

I fear Jones will play everyday. Especially considering Jacque wanted to be traded and Hendry failed to accomodate him.

 

I think Floyd (when healthy) and Murton are better producers than Jones. So, if Jones is playing everyday and Murton and Floyd are splitting time, the Cubs really improved very little by adding Floyd. That improvement is basically only in the form of bench help.

 

But, I suppose I shouldn't assume Lou is Dusty part 2. But, he is the same manager who had Alex Gonzalez playing 3b in Tampa.

 

Triple B,

Short of the Cubs acquiring a right-handed platoon partner for Jones, I still think that when the Cubs are facing a lefty, Lou Piniella will consider using DeRosa in RF and starting Theriot at 2B.

 

Hoops

 

I hope you are right, as I would be pretty pleased to see that.

[goonys evil twin]

I think Floyd makes the team better, but I think his addition takes away from Murton at bats. Will Lou want Ward and Floyd as the main threats off the bench, or will he like Ward and Murton?

 

I fear Jones will play everyday. Especially considering Jacque wanted to be traded and Hendry failed to accomodate him.

 

I think Floyd (when healthy) and Murton are better producers than Jones. So, if Jones is playing everyday and Murton and Floyd are splitting time, the Cubs really improved very little by adding Floyd. That improvement is basically only in the form of bench help.

 

But, I suppose I shouldn't assume Lou is Dusty part 2. But, he is the same manager who had Alex Gonzalez playing 3b in Tampa.

 

Triple B,

Short of the Cubs acquiring a right-handed platoon partner for Jones, I still think that when the Cubs are facing a lefty, Lou Piniella will consider using DeRosa in RF and starting Theriot at 2B.

 

Hoops

 

I hope you are right, as I would be pretty pleased to see that.

 

I would be pleased as well. I still think they need a RH bat for the bench.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think Floyd makes the team better, but I think his addition takes away from Murton at bats. Will Lou want Ward and Floyd as the main threats off the bench, or will he like Ward and Murton?

 

I fear Jones will play everyday. Especially considering Jacque wanted to be traded and Hendry failed to accomodate him.

 

I think Floyd (when healthy) and Murton are better producers than Jones. So, if Jones is playing everyday and Murton and Floyd are splitting time, the Cubs really improved very little by adding Floyd. That improvement is basically only in the form of bench help.

 

But, I suppose I shouldn't assume Lou is Dusty part 2. But, he is the same manager who had Alex Gonzalez playing 3b in Tampa.

 

Triple B,

Short of the Cubs acquiring a right-handed platoon partner for Jones, I still think that when the Cubs are facing a lefty, Lou Piniella will consider using DeRosa in RF and starting Theriot at 2B.

 

Hoops

 

So who's playing SS against R and/or L hand pitching?

[Soul]

*pokes head in*

 

Deal done yet? What's the holdup Cliff, you know you're coming here :wink:

[MPrior]

I think Floyd makes the team better, but I think his addition takes away from Murton at bats. Will Lou want Ward and Floyd as the main threats off the bench, or will he like Ward and Murton?

 

I fear Jones will play everyday. Especially considering Jacque wanted to be traded and Hendry failed to accomodate him.

 

I think Floyd (when healthy) and Murton are better producers than Jones. So, if Jones is playing everyday and Murton and Floyd are splitting time, the Cubs really improved very little by adding Floyd. That improvement is basically only in the form of bench help.

 

But, I suppose I shouldn't assume Lou is Dusty part 2. But, he is the same manager who had Alex Gonzalez playing 3b in Tampa.

 

Triple B,

Short of the Cubs acquiring a right-handed platoon partner for Jones, I still think that when the Cubs are facing a lefty, Lou Piniella will consider using DeRosa in RF and starting Theriot at 2B.

 

Hoops

 

I hope you are right, as I would be pretty pleased to see that.

 

I would be pleased as well. I still think they need a RH bat for the bench.

 

Thirded. Anything to get Jones out of the lineup against lefties. He's worse than a lot of pitchers against them.

[BigbadB]

Ya know.....

 

If Zambrano is thinned down, he might make for a decent platoon partner for Jones in RF. :D

[MPrior]

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

 

And I hope Hendry is right about Izturis. But, I'm very, very skeptical that Izturis will be any better with a bat than the worst SS's in the league.

if he stays healthy & plays great defense, does it really matter what he hits? the sox & cards won the WS with guys who had .713 & .694 ops's respectively.

 

The White Sox also had a team ERA of 3.61. I'd say that played a bigger role in their WS title than a guy with a .713 OPS.

 

Not to mention that a .713 or .694 OPS would be a good year for Izturis.

[BigbadB]

Not to mention that a .713 or .694 OPS would be a good year for Izturis.

 

I'm genuinely concerned about what Izturis will provide with the bat. He hasn't played much for the last few years. And he wasn't all that good before all that down time.

[photoguy9883]

*pokes head in*

 

Deal done yet? What's the holdup Cliff, you know you're coming here :wink:

 

If the Cubs are reviewing his medical records it could take awhile.

[nilodnayr]

I think Floyd makes the team better, but I think his addition takes away from Murton at bats. Will Lou want Ward and Floyd as the main threats off the bench, or will he like Ward and Murton?

 

I fear Jones will play everyday. Especially considering Jacque wanted to be traded and Hendry failed to accomodate him.

 

I think Floyd (when healthy) and Murton are better producers than Jones. So, if Jones is playing everyday and Murton and Floyd are splitting time, the Cubs really improved very little by adding Floyd. That improvement is basically only in the form of bench help.

 

But, I suppose I shouldn't assume Lou is Dusty part 2. But, he is the same manager who had Alex Gonzalez playing 3b in Tampa.

 

Triple B,

Short of the Cubs acquiring a right-handed platoon partner for Jones, I still think that when the Cubs are facing a lefty, Lou Piniella will consider using DeRosa in RF and starting Theriot at 2B.

 

Hoops

 

Essentially, offensively you are platooning Theriot and Jones. While Theriot is definitely an improvement over Jones vs lefties, we could do much better without costing much. I assume we are going with 12 pitchers, which means that our bench will be done with Floyd, Ward, Pagan, Theriot, and Cedeno. I could see Cedeno starting off in Iowa, but that leaves us a middle infielder short, not an OF.