Cubs Sign Floyd, 1 yr / $3M

[Transmogrified Tiger]

2004-2006

 

.279/.346/.516/.862 v. LHP

.252/.306/.410/.716 v. RHP

 

Yeah, that's 300 at-bats. I'll take the career numbers over those any day of the week to compare.

 

There's something to be said for trends, especially when they span 3 seasons and are for a not-insignificant sample. Besides, even looking at his career numbers he's got a .076 IsoD against LH(.061 v. RH) and a .215 IsoP against LH(.203), so the career similarity is more of a BABIP thing.

[Mephistopheles]

2004-2006

 

.279/.346/.516/.862 v. LHP

.252/.306/.410/.716 v. RHP

 

Yeah, that's 300 at-bats. I'll take the career numbers over those any day of the week to compare.

 

There's something to be said for trends, especially when they span 3 seasons and are for a not-insignificant sample. Besides, even looking at his career numbers he's got a .076 IsoD against LH(.061 v. RH) and a .215 IsoP against LH(.203), so the career similarity is more of a BABIP thing.

It's not a significant sample size. There's nothing to be said for trending upward when he's on the wrong side of 30. It's a statistical anamoly. He may be slightly better against lefties, but whenever the righty platoon argument is looked at statistically - it doesn't hold water.

[nilodnayr]

2004-2006

 

.279/.346/.516/.862 v. LHP

.252/.306/.410/.716 v. RHP

 

Yeah, that's 300 at-bats. I'll take the career numbers over those any day of the week to compare.

 

Really? I'll take 350 PAs over the last 3 years over 1100 PAs over the last 9 years as far as using experience to project future performance.

[nilodnayr]

2004-2006

 

.279/.346/.516/.862 v. LHP

.252/.306/.410/.716 v. RHP

 

Yeah, that's 300 at-bats. I'll take the career numbers over those any day of the week to compare.

 

There's something to be said for trends, especially when they span 3 seasons and are for a not-insignificant sample. Besides, even looking at his career numbers he's got a .076 IsoD against LH(.061 v. RH) and a .215 IsoP against LH(.203), so the career similarity is more of a BABIP thing.

It's not a significant sample size. There's nothing to be said for trending upward when he's on the wrong side of 30. It's a statistical anamoly. He may be slightly better against lefties, but whenever the righty platoon argument is looked at statistically - it doesn't hold water.

 

In order to predict what Preston Wilson will do in the future, counting a Preston Wilson plate appearance in 1998 equally as one in 2006 would be a horrible mistake.

[Rob]

2004-2006

 

.279/.346/.516/.862 v. LHP

.252/.306/.410/.716 v. RHP

 

Yeah, that's 300 at-bats. I'll take the career numbers over those any day of the week to compare.

 

There's something to be said for trends, especially when they span 3 seasons and are for a not-insignificant sample. Besides, even looking at his career numbers he's got a .076 IsoD against LH(.061 v. RH) and a .215 IsoP against LH(.203), so the career similarity is more of a BABIP thing.

 

If you really want to look at recent trends, you certainly can't argue he can play all 3 OF positions anymore. He's barely even a LF now.

[Mephistopheles]

2004-2006

 

.279/.346/.516/.862 v. LHP

.252/.306/.410/.716 v. RHP

 

Yeah, that's 300 at-bats. I'll take the career numbers over those any day of the week to compare.

 

Really? I'll take 350 PAs over the last 3 years over 1100 PAs over the last 9 years as far as using experience to project future performance.

Except there's too much variance from it. It's not like he's a young player developing, it's the other way around.

 

In order to predict what Preston Wilson will do in the future, counting a Preston Wilson plate appearance in 1998 equally as one in 2006 would be a horrible mistake.

Not really. I am not taking them equally into consideration overall - I am taking the platoon difference into consideration. A players not going to "forget" how to hit righties and "learn" how to hit lefties. There's usually a pretty consistent split throughout a players career. Of course for a righty versus lefties there's a lot more year to year variance because the sample size is pretty low.

[nilodnayr]

2004-2006

 

.279/.346/.516/.862 v. LHP

.252/.306/.410/.716 v. RHP

 

Yeah, that's 300 at-bats. I'll take the career numbers over those any day of the week to compare.

 

Really? I'll take 350 PAs over the last 3 years over 1100 PAs over the last 9 years as far as using experience to project future performance.

Except there's too much variance from it. It's not like he's a young player developing, it's the other way around.

 

In order to predict what Preston Wilson will do in the future, counting a Preston Wilson plate appearance in 1998 equally as one in 2006 would be a horrible mistake.

Not really. I am not taking them equally into consideration overall - I am taking the platoon difference into consideration. A players not going to "forget" how to hit righties and "learn" how to hit lefties. There's usually a pretty consistent split throughout a players career. Of course for a righty versus lefties there's a lot more year to year variance because the sample size is pretty low.

 

Let me know if I'm misunderstanding, but what you are saying is looking at Preston Wilson's career as a whole, he has been basically equal vs lefties and righties, so whatever you project Preston Wilson's performance vs righties is going to be, would be the same as what you would predict his performance vs lefties.

 

 

Interesting. It would be a good study to see if as hitters exit their prime their same handed vs opposite handed splits grow On a non-stats level it would make sense that that would be true because as you age, bat speed slows so the longer reaction time against the opposte handed pitcher would become more important. Don't know if the stats prove that, but it would be an interesting study.

[Mephistopheles]

really the stats show that very very few right handed hitters have any platoon splits whatsoever. THe theory goes that all the righties who cant hit righties never make it passed double a or so because so many of the hitters they face are righties. Lefties on the other hand can make it through the minors without hitting lefties.

[nilodnayr]

really the stats show that very very few right handed hitters have any platoon splits whatsoever. THe theory goes that all the righties who cant hit righties never make it passed double a or so because so many of the hitters they face are righties. Lefties on the other hand can make it through the minors without hitting lefties.

 

However, that doesnt mean that some righties can't hit lefties better than they can hit righties. A guy who is only a righthanded half of a platoon will never make it to the majors, this is true. However, as a righty who hit righties good enough to make it to the majors exits his prime his production vs righties may diminish so that he is no longer valueable on a full time basis, but he may still be usefull against lefties.

[Rob]

really the stats show that very very few right handed hitters have any platoon splits whatsoever. THe theory goes that all the righties who cant hit righties never make it passed double a or so because so many of the hitters they face are righties. Lefties on the other hand can make it through the minors without hitting lefties.

 

However, that doesnt mean that some righties can't hit lefties better than they can hit righties. A guy who is only a righthanded half of a platoon will never make it to the majors, this is true. However, as a righty who hit righties good enough to make it to the majors exits his prime his production vs righties may diminish so that he is no longer valueable on a full time basis, but he may still be usefull against lefties.

 

See: Grissom, Marquis

[A New Era]

What a bench we'd have if we got both Ward and Floyd. I'm rooting for one of them to have a great year. If not, oh well. They'd be great bench players none the less.

[Rob]

What a bench we'd have if we got both Ward and Floyd. I'm rooting for one of them to have a great year. If not, oh well. They'd be great bench players none the less.

 

If they don't have great years, I sincerely doubt they'd be great bench players. Floyd, possibly... but the average Ward season is nothing to write home about.

[Schwarber Fan]

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070122&content_id=1783768&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Deal close to being done reported by cubs.com

[Soul]

Wow, I wasn't aware ANY other clubs were interested in Floyd...

[CubColtPacer]

Wow, I wasn't aware ANY other clubs were interested in Floyd...

 

Yeah, he probably would have signed by now with somebody else, but Floyd's mission has been to sign with the Cubs all offseason, and he didn't want to sign unless the door to the Cubs was completely shut.

[CuseCubFan69]

So if Floyd is signed the number 1 bat off the bench will be Pagan? Also, the signing of Floyd really means that the Cubs have to get someone to play CF that can cover some ground. I'm sure Soriano could be fine if he can handle CF. Pie would be better defensively.

[CubColtPacer]

So if Floyd is signed the number 1 bat off the bench will be Pagan? Also, the signing of Floyd really means that the Cubs have to get someone to play CF that can cover some ground. I'm sure Soriano could be fine if he can handle CF. Pie would be better defensively.

 

I guess I don't understand your question. On the majority of days, the number 1 bat off the bench is Floyd, then number 2 is Ward, then 3 is Theriot (although Theriot could be moved up if they are leading off an inning and need a pinch hitter), number 4 is Pagan, and 5th is Blanco.

[CuseCubFan69]

I can see why you wrote that as I forgot to put right handed bat!

[BigbadB]

Floyd does give them a pretty solid bench. If anyone needs to serve some DL time, they could bring up Moore for some extra RH punch off the bench.

[goonys evil twin]

If Hendry finds a way to field an OF with Murton, Soriano, Jones, Floyd, RH bat to platoon with Jones who really handles lefties well, then I think the Cubs OF would quite possibly be the most productive in the NL.

[BigbadB]

If Hendry finds a way to field an OF with Murton, Soriano, Jones, Floyd, RH bat to platoon with Jones who really handles lefties well, then I think the Cubs OF would quite possibly be the most productive in the NL.

 

Now if we could just get a major league shortstop, we'd have a really good team.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Hendry finds a way to field an OF with Murton, Soriano, Jones, Floyd, RH bat to platoon with Jones who really handles lefties well, then I think the Cubs OF would quite possibly be the most productive in the NL.

 

Now if we could just get a major league shortstop, we'd have a really good team.

 

I really hope that the Cubs keep the SS job open during the spring or trade for one as you said.

[C.C.]

If Hendry finds a way to field an OF with Murton, Soriano, Jones, Floyd, RH bat to platoon with Jones who really handles lefties well, then I think the Cubs OF would quite possibly be the most productive in the NL.

 

Now if we could just get a major league shortstop, we'd have a really good team.

 

I really hope that the Cubs keep the SS job open during the spring or trade for one as you said.

 

After hearing Lou he will field the best team regardless of how much a player makes.

[Backtobanks]

If Hendry finds a way to field an OF with Murton, Soriano, Jones, Floyd, RH bat to platoon with Jones who really handles lefties well, then I think the Cubs OF would quite possibly be the most productive in the NL.

 

Now if we could just get a major league shortstop, we'd have a really good team.

 

I really hope that the Cubs keep the SS job open during the spring or trade for one as you said.

 

I'm pretty much a Hendry supporter, but he does have a tendency to "lock" into one idea and not be able to work around it. Unfortunately, he seems to think Izturis is just what we need at SS, so I don't see him trading for another one.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Hendry finds a way to field an OF with Murton, Soriano, Jones, Floyd, RH bat to platoon with Jones who really handles lefties well, then I think the Cubs OF would quite possibly be the most productive in the NL.

 

Now if we could just get a major league shortstop, we'd have a really good team.

 

I really hope that the Cubs keep the SS job open during the spring or trade for one as you said.

 

After hearing Lou he will field the best team regardless of how much a player makes.

 

I hope you're right and that Btb is wrong.

 

Does anyone know the amount of money this deal is? I know it's a player option for 2008.