2007 NFL draft

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Leon Hall won't be the first cornerback picked, mark my words.

 

Mel doesnt have any other CB in his top 25. (I havent looked at other boards yet). So who would be.

 

I like a couple of juniors more than Hall - Antoine Cason of Arizona (has not yet declared, but I think he will) and Darrelle Revis of Pitt (declared yesterday).

[baseball7897]

Bears need a safety. Mike Brown might be done with the Bears.

[AI]

Remember, Ginn is not on this board yet. He might still go above Samardzija. I'd put Ginn and Jarrett as well above Samardzija, but I think Jeff is the 4th best receiver on the board, which normally would still put him safely in the 1st round.

 

I think Sidney Rice will be better than Samardzija too.

I don't think there is any "will be" to it. I think he's already better. I think the receivers are ordered this way in terms of talent...

1. Johnson

 

 

 

2. Jarrett

 

3. (tie) Rice

3. (tie) Meachem

5. Samardzija

6. Ginn

 

(the spaces are intentional)

[Flames24Rulz]

Packers need either a safety, a RB, or a WR.

 

Landry at safety, Lynch and Bush at RB's, and any of those WR's would be nice.

[Andy]

Remember, Ginn is not on this board yet. He might still go above Samardzija. I'd put Ginn and Jarrett as well above Samardzija, but I think Jeff is the 4th best receiver on the board, which normally would still put him safely in the 1st round.

 

I think Sidney Rice will be better than Samardzija too.

I don't think there is any "will be" to it. I think he's already better. I think the receivers are ordered this way in terms of talent...

1. Johnson

 

 

 

2. Jarrett

 

3. (tie) Rice

3. (tie) Meachem

5. Samardzija

6. Ginn

 

(the spaces are intentional)

I don't like Ginn. The "just run until the DB covering you falls well behind you" game plan won't work well when every DB is fast and I've never seen Ginn catch a pass besides that variety.

[Soriano12]

I'm hoping the Bears will draft Rufus Alexander.

 

Even if Briggs doesn't walk?

 

I think Briggs is gone, but even if he stays, I wouldn't mind adding a LB that is a good pash rusher. That Bears need to find away to get to the QB when the front 4 isn't firing on all cylinders.

[Chocolate Milk]

Remember, Ginn is not on this board yet. He might still go above Samardzija. I'd put Ginn and Jarrett as well above Samardzija, but I think Jeff is the 4th best receiver on the board, which normally would still put him safely in the 1st round.

 

I think Sidney Rice will be better than Samardzija too.

I don't think there is any "will be" to it. I think he's already better. I think the receivers are ordered this way in terms of talent...

1. Johnson

 

 

 

2. Jarrett

 

3. (tie) Rice

3. (tie) Meachem

5. Samardzija

6. Ginn

 

(the spaces are intentional)

 

I think this is a pretty good list. I'd rather have Ginn than Samardzija, though.

[Flames24Rulz]

Remember, Ginn is not on this board yet. He might still go above Samardzija. I'd put Ginn and Jarrett as well above Samardzija, but I think Jeff is the 4th best receiver on the board, which normally would still put him safely in the 1st round.

 

I think Sidney Rice will be better than Samardzija too.

I don't think there is any "will be" to it. I think he's already better. I think the receivers are ordered this way in terms of talent...

1. Johnson

 

 

 

2. Jarrett

 

3. (tie) Rice

3. (tie) Meachem

5. Samardzija

6. Ginn

 

(the spaces are intentional)

I don't like Ginn. The "just run until the DB covering you falls well behind you" game plan won't work well when every DB is fast and I've never seen Ginn catch a pass besides that variety.

 

Ginn would give us a legit deep threat and a returner that we desperately need. I'm really hoping he's still available at 16.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Peterson says he still hasn't decided:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2727204

[soccer10k]

Offense please.

[Jazz]

Peterson says he still hasn't decided:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2727204

 

wouldn't be suprised to see him come back, since I think he has a chance to win the heisman and go #1 overall next year if he does. Would be nice for the sooners to get him for another year.

[TruffleShuffle]

Peterson says he still hasn't decided:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2727204

 

If I were him, I'd go. He certainly has the talent to play in the NFL right now, and if he stays to prove he can stay healthy, he'd likely be a top 5 pick. If he goes to the NFL now, he'll be a top 15 pick. Meanwhile, if he were to suffer another season-ending injury (another broken collarbone, a la Charles Rogers) he'd certainly fall out of the first round. I say, take the millions while you can. The life span of a RB is especially short, and if you're gonna take a pounding carrying the ball 200 or 300 times, get paid for it if you can.

[Chocolate Milk]

Peterson says he still hasn't decided:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2727204

 

If I were him, I'd go. He certainly has the talent to play in the NFL right now, and if he stays to prove he can stay healthy, he'd likely be a top 5 pick. If he goes to the NFL now, he'll be a top 15 pick. Meanwhile, if he were to suffer another season-ending injury (another broken collarbone, a la Charles Rogers) he'd certainly fall out of the first round. I say, take the millions while you can. The life span of a RB is especially short, and if you're gonna take a pounding carrying the ball 200 or 300 times, get paid for it if you can.

 

Great posting. Why give up a prime earning year?

[cubweiser03]

I dont like Ginn all that much either. He's very small, maybe not height wise but bulk wise yes. He added a little more variety to his routes this year but i never seem him do slantes or that sorts over the middle. When does he ever go up and get it, when does he out muscle people. His speed advantage will be negated in the NFL, they will play him closer at the line. When has he ever really had to fight someone at the line to get in his route. I actually prefer Gonzalez to Ginn. He's faster than most people think.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not impressed by Ginn, but I'll admit that's largely because in his two games against Penn State, he's completely disappeared. He looks really soft across the middle, and while he's got speed to burn, I'm not drafting a guy in the top 20 to be James Jett.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'm not the biggest Ginn fan, but you know he's going to do well in the combines and test well.

 

Peterson says he still hasn't decided:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2727204

 

If I were him, I'd go. He certainly has the talent to play in the NFL right now, and if he stays to prove he can stay healthy, he'd likely be a top 5 pick. If he goes to the NFL now, he'll be a top 15 pick. Meanwhile, if he were to suffer another season-ending injury (another broken collarbone, a la Charles Rogers) he'd certainly fall out of the first round. I say, take the millions while you can. The life span of a RB is especially short, and if you're gonna take a pounding carrying the ball 200 or 300 times, get paid for it if you can.

 

Exactly.

[dew1679666265]

I dont like Ginn all that much either. He's very small, maybe not height wise but bulk wise yes. He added a little more variety to his routes this year but i never seem him do slantes or that sorts over the middle. When does he ever go up and get it, when does he out muscle people. His speed advantage will be negated in the NFL, they will play him closer at the line. When has he ever really had to fight someone at the line to get in his route. I actually prefer Gonzalez to Ginn. He's faster than most people think.

 

He's not that type of receiver though. If you want a receiver to go across the middle and muscle others around, go for Samardzija, Jarrett, or Calvin.

Ginn is the speedy type of receiver that relies on running excellent routes and being quicker than DBs. I'm not saying he'll be this good, but think of Marvin Harrisson. They're very simialr in body type (Ginn is taller) and you almost never see Marvin go across the middle (that I can think of).

I will agree though, that Ginn will need to work on his route running to truly succeed in the NFL. I'd love the Titans to take him at 19 unless Calvin (or maybe Samardzija) is there.

[Soriano12]

I dont like Ginn all that much either..

 

I like Vodka better, although Tanqueray is pretty good.

[CubColtPacer]

I dont like Ginn all that much either. He's very small, maybe not height wise but bulk wise yes. He added a little more variety to his routes this year but i never seem him do slantes or that sorts over the middle. When does he ever go up and get it, when does he out muscle people. His speed advantage will be negated in the NFL, they will play him closer at the line. When has he ever really had to fight someone at the line to get in his route. I actually prefer Gonzalez to Ginn. He's faster than most people think.

 

He's not that type of receiver though. If you want a receiver to go across the middle and muscle others around, go for Samardzija, Jarrett, or Calvin.

Ginn is the speedy type of receiver that relies on running excellent routes and being quicker than DBs. I'm not saying he'll be this good, but think of Marvin Harrisson. They're very simialr in body type (Ginn is taller) and you almost never see Marvin go across the middle (that I can think of).

I will agree though, that Ginn will need to work on his route running to truly succeed in the NFL. I'd love the Titans to take him at 19 unless Calvin (or maybe Samardzija) is there.

 

I'm ok with Ginn, and I believe he's gone over the middle more than most people believe this year. That's something he's going to have to do in the NFL though, at least initially. I know Marvin had to do it-for 3 to 5 years at the start of his career, Marvin was known as the man who would go across the middle one yard past the sticks, catch the ball and get drilled but hold on for the first down. It's only the last 4-5 years where he has really been able to avoid the punishment on his body that will lead him to a very long career.

 

From watching 6-7 OSU games this year, my belief is that Ginn can go across the middle. I think it will be up to a team's needs on if they are going to draft a Ginn or a Jarrett, as they both would fit better with a certain type of NFL QB. I would agree that if Ginn or a player of his caliber falls to 19 that he should be taken very quickly.

[imb]

Kiper's most recent Big Board

 

Paul Posluzny not being on Mel's top 25 tells me everything I already knew about Mel is true....he's a douche

 

I thought that word was that Paul looked like he hadnt fully recovered from his injury.

 

Willis fell off the board too, and i think you'd agree that he's a better linebacker than Poz.

[Warpticon]

This is gonna be a great NFL Draft.

 

So far, it looks amazingly deep. I really don't think Chris Houston should have declared, though he's got the makeup of a workout beast. My Dolphins pick 9th. Right now, I'm hoping Ginn will be available.

 

Another Dolphins fan, huh? Pretty sweet. I agree with what other people said and feel WR isn't too huge of an issue. I expect Hagan to step up and be a bigger contributer next year and Booker, Chambers, and Welker will do for now. Eventually WR will need to be addressed, but I think serviceable WRs can be found in later rounds and through Free Agency. I'd like to see some youth injected into our defense. The DLine and Linebackers are getting old and the secondary is average at best. Maybe a CB or LB with the 1st round pick would be best in the long run for the fins. Moving down a few slots to pick up an extra pick would be the ideal situation, but with the depth of talent I don't see any team paying much to move up a few picks unless there's someone they really want.

 

Why do the linebackers need youth and the wideouts don't? The receivers are older than the linebackers. And I don't know--Chris Chambers '05 makes a difference, but Chambers '06 is pretty much worthless. As for the secondary, it was almost totally brand new last season, and two major players, Daniels and Allen, have a grand total of 3 years experience. I don't see the dominant, shut-down DBs in this draft to make that a priority. And really, is boosting a top 6 defense on a 6-10 team a major priority? No, the Dolphins's biggest needs are on offense. There really aren't any available quarterbacks at the spot that can be immediate difference makers, so the best options at the #9 appear to be a standout, potential gamebreaker at WR or a stud OL.

 

The wideouts do, but like the other poster said Thomas, Taylor, Wilkinson, Traylor, Zgonina, Carter are all getting old and they're going to need to be replaced. Hagan is young, Chambers is somewhat young (although not very good), and Welker still has quite a few years ahead of him. To be honest, there's really not any position that doesn't need some youth and talent injected into it (outside of running back).

 

That's really beside the point. Why even mention Wilkinson and Zgonina? They don't matter much. The starters are all 30+, but they're all very good. Yes, they need to start working in some youth, but with the #9 pick overall? It's not like they don't have any youth--I'm really high on Matt Roth, and Wright and Wright have a ton of upside (provided health/contentment). I wouldn't really consider drafting DL until 3rd round at the earliest. I'm looking for stud OL or potential gamebreakers on offense with the first couple unless somebody exceptional slides well past where they should be drafted.

[Derwood]

Kiper's most recent Big Board

 

Paul Posluzny not being on Mel's top 25 tells me everything I already knew about Mel is true....he's a douche

 

I thought that word was that Paul looked like he hadnt fully recovered from his injury.

 

Willis fell off the board too, and i think you'd agree that he's a better linebacker than Poz.

 

If leading the team in tackles and breaking the all time tackle record at PSU is not fully recovered, god help us when he is

[goonys evil twin]

If leading the team in tackles and breaking the all time tackle record at PSU is not fully recovered, god help us when he is

 

Was that the all time single season tackle record, or career? If it's career, it doesn't say a thing about being fully recovered. And leading the team in tackles doesn't either. Your linebackers will always lead the team in tackles. If you play most of the season at LB, you stand a great chance of leading the team in tackles. Neither of those stats proves a guy is fully recovered.

[Derwood]

If leading the team in tackles and breaking the all time tackle record at PSU is not fully recovered, god help us when he is

 

Was that the all time single season tackle record, or career? If it's career, it doesn't say a thing about being fully recovered. And leading the team in tackles doesn't either. Your linebackers will always lead the team in tackles. If you play most of the season at LB, you stand a great chance of leading the team in tackles. Neither of those stats proves a guy is fully recovered.

 

career. But his season totals were:

 

116 tackles

69 solo

10 TFL

3 sacks

 

That's as MLB

 

Last year (when "healthy") he was an OLB and posted

 

118 tackles

64 solo

14 TFL

4 sacks

 

In 2005, he was the first junior team captain for PSU since 1968

 

2005 All-American, Butkus and Bednarik Award Winner

2006 All-American and Bednarkik Award Winner (2nd ever to win twice)

 

So yeah, that's him.

[goonys evil twin]

If leading the team in tackles and breaking the all time tackle record at PSU is not fully recovered, god help us when he is

 

Was that the all time single season tackle record, or career? If it's career, it doesn't say a thing about being fully recovered. And leading the team in tackles doesn't either. Your linebackers will always lead the team in tackles. If you play most of the season at LB, you stand a great chance of leading the team in tackles. Neither of those stats proves a guy is fully recovered.

 

career. But his season totals were:

 

116 tackles

69 solo

10 TFL

3 sacks

 

That's as MLB

 

Last year (when "healthy") he was an OLB and posted

 

118 tackles

64 solo

14 TFL

4 sacks

 

In 2005, he was the first junior team captain for PSU since 1968

 

2005 All-American, Butkus and Bednarik Award Winner

2006 All-American and Bednarkik Award Winner (2nd ever to win twice)

 

So yeah, that's him.

 

Yeah, I know who he is, but none of that says he's fully recovered. MLB rack up the most tackles simply by their position, most of the time. I'm not sure anybody is saying he was bad, just not as good as they were hoping/expecting. A great player can lose a step and still dominate the level he's already dominated, in this case, college. But if you've lost something, people will rightfully increase their doubts about your ability to dominate the next level. Besides, just because he's not in the top 25 doesn't mean he's not regarded highly. He could be 26 on the list. Or he could be 40, that's still somebody you would expect to make an impact in his rookie year, in other words, somebody Mel would still respect highly as a football player.