Potential Non-Tenders

[Elrhino]

Would anyone take a chance on Mench?

 

 

Absolutely. Move Soriano to CF (where he actually has the most impact as a + player for his position), and Mench would make a phenomenal platoon partner for JJ in RF.

 

Mench's 3 year average numbers against lefties.

 

BA .307

OBP .379

SLG .590

OPS .969

Edited December 12, 2006 by Elrhino

[tkenm356]

We should get Victor Zambrano and try and trade him for Scott Kazmir!

[Guest]

Giles and Infante are both significantly better than the players we'll be starting at those positions. Sign them!

[VanceJergins]

Giles and Infante are both significantly better than the players we'll be starting at those positions. Sign them!

 

We could get Giles, Infante, and Wilkerson off the scrapheap and our offseason could be complete.

[Mephistopheles]

The thing is we can guarantee that we get those two players by trading marginal prospects for them, although their prices through arby might be higher than their prices as an FA.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Giles and Infante are both significantly better than the players we'll be starting at those positions. Sign them!

 

Not to mention that adding Giles significantly improves our bench as DeRosa takes on that "super" utility role previously held by the likes of Jose Macias and Neifi Perez.

[Twiggy]

I'd take Giles over DeRosa any day

[Danny82]

I'd take Giles over DeRosa any day

 

What about most all of the days of the 2006 season?

[craig]

I know Giles is a huge board favorite. And I'd be really enthused to get him.

 

That said, he was a .728-OPS last year. If he doesn't project to OPS a lot better than that, he's not that hot a value.

 

There are obvious reasons why we could project him to do lots better. Because he had the previous three seasons. So, assuming last year was an anti-career year fluke, and he'd return to his 2003-2005 level, he'd be a good bet. It's surprising that teams haven't made that assumption and chased him hard. INcluding Atlanta itself.

 

But, there are other reasons to wonder whether 2006 might not be a good predictor. His K-rate was in line with what it's always been, nothing flukey there. His BABIP was like .307, nothing low there and only a couple hits short of his .322 career BABIIP. So, it's not like 06 was real BABIP-flukey, or flukey bad luck. His IsoD was right around his career norm.

 

So why did his numbers drop so much? pretty much all because his power was way reduced. Compared to 2003, when he had only one more AB, he had ten fewer HR's. Add ten HR's and both average and OBP jump almost 20 points, slugging jumps over 70 points, and OBP jumps almost 100 points.

 

So, to large degree, I think the question is, was Giles loss of power a fluke? If so, last year was a fluke. If not, if that loss of power is real for some reason, then last year may not be a fluke. And Giles may basically project as Mark DeRosa.

 

The obvious stats/age conclusion would be that Giles power drop was an anomolous fluke, non-sustainable, and he'll be back to normal next year. That the Braves and the league seem so uninterested in Giles is surprising, and suggests that they may have a perception other than the obvious fluke perception.

 

Given the widespread Giles/steroids rumors, I wonder whether Atlanta and many GM's see Giles's 2006 power as what you get from a drug-free Giles?

[Mephistopheles]

Well he hit .289/.359/.427/.786 the last three months of the season.

[b_wiggy_66]

Giles isn't coming to the Cubs. They already have DeRosa and Theriot. DeRosa was signed to start and Giles will not sign here in a bench role.

[gerby23]

Giles isn't coming to the Cubs. They already have DeRosa and Theriot. DeRosa was signed to start and Giles will not sign here in a bench role.

He was signed to start a month ago. If we pick up a better option, what can he really do? And Theriot could then pursue that CF job they want him to, or be packaged with several others for a quality starter. In any case, DeRosa doesn't have a whole lot of say at this point b/c he already signed; therefore not much bargaining power. he would just have to win the job outright in ST.

[XZero771679666304]

Giles isn't coming to the Cubs. They already have DeRosa and Theriot. DeRosa was signed to start and Giles will not sign here in a bench role.

He was signed to start a month ago. If we pick up a better option, what can he really do? And Theriot could then pursue that CF job they want him to, or be packaged with several others for a quality starter. In any case, DeRosa doesn't have a whole lot of say at this point b/c he already signed; therefore not much bargaining power. he would just have to win the job outright in ST.

 

You know Hendry. If he told DeRosa he will start, he will start.

[cybercub]

Marcus Giles would be fantastic, but I doubt Atlanta would non-tender him.

 

Kevin Mench would be an ideal platoonmate for Jones in RF. Thats pretty much what this entire board has been wanting for the Cubs ever since Jones was signed.

 

Wilkerson would be worth a gamble. LH bat, capable of playing all 3 outfield spots and 1B. He could play center and bat 7th moving to 4th OF when Pie comes up.

 

Just think, if the Cubs could pull off these moves, Murton (and pitching) could be use to land an upgrade at SS. Tejada?[-o<

 

Soriano LF

Giles 2B

Lee 1B

Tejada SS

Ramirez 3B

Jones RF

Wilkerson CF

Barrett C

 

Mench

Ward

DeRosa

Theriot/Cedeno

Blanco

[Deeg]

FWIW, as you on the "other" board know, one of my buddies played HS baseball against Giles, and there were rampant rumors then that both brothers were juicers. Take it FWIW. It is one possible explanation for the power drop last season.

[tkenm356]

The Brewers are planning to tender all of their arbitration-eligible players, including Kevin Mench.

Mench was the only one that was a candidate to be non-tendered. The others are Chris Capuano, Claudio Vargas, Johnny Estrada and Bill Hall. Mench still isn't very likely to be back in Milwaukee next season. "We've had more calls on him than just about anyone," GM Doug Melvin said.

 

The Rangers are planning to tender a contract to Brad Wilkerson by Tuesday night's deadline.

Wilkerson probably won't get much of a raise from the $3.9 million he made last year, so keeping him around would be a good idea. He could see a lot of time in left field, with Frank Catalanotto in the DH spot. It's also possible that he'll start in right if Nelson Cruz has a bad spring.

[HoopsCubs]

Non tendering anybody who isn't horrible seems like a huge mistake in this market. You're telling me you can't pick the exact team that the player will do the least damage to you in the future and get some A ball relief prospect in return for these guys?

 

Didn't Minnesota non-tender David Ortiz after the 2002 season?

[BigbadB]

Non tendering anybody who isn't horrible seems like a huge mistake in this market. You're telling me you can't pick the exact team that the player will do the least damage to you in the future and get some A ball relief prospect in return for these guys?

 

Didn't Minnesota non-tender David Ortiz after the 2002 season?

 

Think there might be at least a couple of bitter Twins fans? :D

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Non tendering anybody who isn't horrible seems like a huge mistake in this market. You're telling me you can't pick the exact team that the player will do the least damage to you in the future and get some A ball relief prospect in return for these guys?

 

Didn't Minnesota non-tender David Ortiz after the 2002 season?

 

Think there might be at least a couple of bitter Twins fans? :D

 

Their comeuppance for getting Johan in the Rule 5 and Liriano and Nathan for AJP?

[Drew Doughty]

Non tendering anybody who isn't horrible seems like a huge mistake in this market. You're telling me you can't pick the exact team that the player will do the least damage to you in the future and get some A ball relief prospect in return for these guys?

 

Didn't Minnesota non-tender David Ortiz after the 2002 season?

 

Think there might be at least a couple of bitter Twins fans? :D

 

Their comeuppance for getting Johan in the Rule 5 and Liriano and Nathan for AJP?

 

they also got BOOOOOOOF in the deal for AJP.

[Elrhino]

FWIW, as you on the "other" board know, one of my buddies played HS baseball against Giles, and there were rampant rumors then that both brothers were juicers. Take it FWIW. It is one possible explanation for the power drop last season.

 

Not that I'm confirming the rumor, but I did find it strange a while back that both brothers took a gigantic power dip in the same season.

[E.J.]

Omar Infante-2B-Tigers Dec. 12 - 5:23 pm et

 

 

Omar Infante will keep his roster spot after the Tigers decided to non-tender only Alexis Gomez on Tuesday.

Infante is being shopped around with both Neifi Perez and Ramon Santiago signed for next year, but it might not be a bad idea for the Tigers to hang on to their one backup capable of putting together more than one good at-bat per month. It would have made sense to jettison Santiago, who is basically the same player as Perez.

Source: Tigers.mlb.com

[Andy]

ESPNEWS's Michael Kim just said that the Braves did indeed non-tender Giles.

[YearofDaCubs]

ESPNEWS's Michael Kim just said that the Braves did indeed non-tender Giles.

Who cares what DeRosa thinks. Move him to SS and sign Giles. That should improve our ball club.

[Vinestal]

ESPNEWS's Michael Kim just said that the Braves did indeed non-tender Giles.

 

I bet the Padres sign him