Cubs Sign Marquis to 3/21

[nilodnayr]

walking is better than making contact.

 

working the count to get a good pitch>walking>swinging at the first pitch

 

If that were the case then guys who walk and strike out a lot should have the highest LD%s. Last season LD% and (BB+SO)/PA had an r of -0.06157, so nope on that one. BB/PA? 0.06227. So really no.

 

That's not the point of working the count. It's to get the pitcher to throw extra pitches so he tires further down the road.

 

Yeah it's easy, and too glib IMO, to just say "walking trumps everything". Of course it does if you only look at the surface (it's like the Piniella line about sending 8 midgets up to walk every AB).

 

I think kctigers is forgetting one thing about why people walk: they tend to be dangerous hitters so the pitcher doesn't want to throw strikes. I also don't get why what MrWood said should imply a high correlation between K+BB rate and LD%.

 

Interesting to note that of the top 40 guys in BBs, only 22 of them had 25 or more HRs. Power hitters definitely walk more than non-power hitters, but there are plenty of guys who don't have to be a big threat to hit the long ball to coax a walk.

[FergieJ31]

Yeah it's easy, and too glib IMO, to just say "walking trumps everything". Of course it does if you only look at the surface (it's like the Piniella line about sending 8 midgets up to walk every AB).

 

I think kctigers is forgetting one thing about why people walk: they tend to be dangerous hitters so the pitcher doesn't want to throw strikes. I also don't get why what MrWood said should imply a high correlation between K+BB rate and LD%.

 

Interesting to note that of the top 40 guys in BBs, only 22 of them had 25 or more HRs. Power hitters definitely walk more than non-power hitters, but there are plenty of guys who don't have to be a big threat to hit the long ball to coax a walk.

 

A big factor of IsoD is simply 'good batting eye', and that is its own skill that has little to do with anything else, like so many other specialized skills in baseball. Guys like Bellhorn are exceptional because they developed this skill even in the absence of great SLG (and Vlad is a marvel in the other direction, so to speak). But make no mistake about it: your odds of walking go up significantly if you're a threat with the bat and you have a modicum of plate discipline.

 

Pitchers adapt to batter tendencies, batters must adapt too. Game theory can be applied in baseball. We Cub fans generally complain about lack of plate discipline, but the pendulum can't swing completely to the other side either, or else pitchers simply start grooving strike 1 and strike 2. Ideally there's an unpredictable mix of batters (and not the same batters) who have the green light on the first pitch and other batters who watch a few pitches go by. This is the strategy that makes the pitcher the most uncomfortable because he can't pitch to tendencies. I don't know what the optimal mix is, but somewhere in the neighborhood of "1 out of 3 random batters has first pitch green light" feels about right to me.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I'm not going to lie, but this topic has gone from the contract of Marquis, to pretty much gibberish. How many different ways can we say Marquis is not a very good pitcher?

[NCCubFan]

Bump. :D

[seanimal]

Bump. :D

 

I knew someone was going to do this. Boy, some of these reactions are pretty funny. Good work NC! :lol:

[NCCubFan]

Bump. :D

 

I knew someone was going to do this. Boy, some of these reactions are pretty funny. Good work NC! :lol:

I think it's fun to read some of the comments again a few minutes later when he turns out to be much better than anyone expected (at least for now).

[Rob]

Well, it's a good thing none of our young arms have enough talent to be potential top-of-the-rotation guys, cause they just got blocked by Jason Freaking Marquis.

 

Somebody at the cubs convention just needs to ask him whether he hates the cubs, or if he's just stupid.

 

Actually, I expected myself to swear in my first reaction. I'm so proud of past-Rob's restraint.

[Butterscup1679666578]

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That was my reaction. I also apparently really wanted Jeff Suppan, who is also pitching great, but pshhhh he's no Jason Marquis :D

[Sammy Sofa]

Bump. :D

 

I knew someone was going to do this. Boy, some of these reactions are pretty funny. Good work NC! :lol:

I think it's fun to read some of the comments again a few minutes later when he turns out to be much better than anyone expected (at least for now).

 

So will you bump this when the wind starts blowing out again?

[CubColtPacer]

Bump. :D

 

I knew someone was going to do this. Boy, some of these reactions are pretty funny. Good work NC! :lol:

I think it's fun to read some of the comments again a few minutes later when he turns out to be much better than anyone expected (at least for now).

 

So will you bump this when the wind starts blowing out again?

 

Marquis has pitched in:

 

2 games where the wind was blowing in

3 games where there was a crosswind

2 games where the wind was blowing out

 

I don't think the wind has helped him nearly as much as you are implying. Besides, a lot of the people who posted in this thread would have found it shocking if Marquis posted an ERA under 5, and with every start that becomes more and more likely.

[Sammy Sofa]

Bump. :D

 

I knew someone was going to do this. Boy, some of these reactions are pretty funny. Good work NC! :lol:

I think it's fun to read some of the comments again a few minutes later when he turns out to be much better than anyone expected (at least for now).

 

So will you bump this when the wind starts blowing out again?

 

Marquis has pitched in:

 

2 games where the wind was blowing in

3 games where there was a crosswind

2 games where the wind was blowing out

 

I don't think the wind has helped him nearly as much as you are implying. Besides, a lot of the people who posted in this thread would have found it shocking if Marquis posted an ERA under 5, and with every start that becomes more and more likely.

 

I'm not saying the guy can't have a good year...but he's obviously not going to stay this good, and there's a pretty damn good chance he's going to lose a LOT of steam when Wrigley turns back into the hitter's park it's known for being once it's actually warm out all the time and the wind is blowing out more often than not. If he can keep the ball on the ground like he should, fine, things will get interesting...but games where he's giving up a lot of fly ball outs aren't going to serve him well at all at home pitching against better teams.

[mg420]

anyone check and see how guys like wolf & padilla have done so far this year? i believe many people on this board much preferred them to lilly & marquis.

[CubColtPacer]

anyone check and see how guys like wolf & padilla have done so far this year? i believe many people on this board much preferred them to lilly & marquis.

 

Wolf-7 GS, 41 IP, 44 H, 44K/13BB, 4 HBP, 6 HR, 4.61 ERA, 1.39 WHIP

Padilla-7 GS, 42 IP, 40 H, 17K/21BB, 3 HBP, 8 HR, 4.93 ERA, 1.452 WHIP

 

Of course a lot of people wanted Schmidt+ rookie-that wouldn't have worked out too well.

 

Also, here's one more pitcher that was wanted over the offseason:

 

Westbrook-6 GS, 27 1/3 IP, 32 H, 18 K/14 BB, 1 HBP, 6 HR, 7.90 ERA, 1.683 WHIP

[NewUserName]

I am sure I wrote some hateful things about the signing but didnt want to look for them. Up to this point I was wrong.

 

That being said I hope that Marquis continues to do well and gets some Cy Young consideration. Than I hope he is part of a deal this offseason to get us a good SS. I just dont trust that he is going to perform well year in and year out.

[CubsWin]

anyone check and see how guys like wolf & padilla have done so far this year? i believe many people on this board much preferred them to lilly & marquis.

 

Wolf-7 GS, 41 IP, 44 H, 44K/13BB, 4 HBP, 6 HR, 4.61 ERA, 1.39 WHIP

Padilla-7 GS, 42 IP, 40 H, 17K/21BB, 3 HBP, 8 HR, 4.93 ERA, 1.452 WHIP

 

Of course a lot of people wanted Schmidt+ rookie-that wouldn't have worked out too well.

 

Also, here's one more pitcher that was wanted over the offseason:

 

Westbrook-6 GS, 27 1/3 IP, 32 H, 18 K/14 BB, 1 HBP, 6 HR, 7.90 ERA, 1.683 WHIP

Not to mention, Westbrook has also been placed on the DL.

 

Hendry and Rothschild are looking like friggin' geniuses right now...right now.

[A New Era]

We have a #1 and four #5's. :lol:

[Soriano12]

anyone check and see how guys like wolf & padilla have done so far this year? i believe many people on this board much preferred them to lilly & marquis.

 

Wolf-7 GS, 41 IP, 44 H, 44K/13BB, 4 HBP, 6 HR, 4.61 ERA, 1.39 WHIP

Padilla-7 GS, 42 IP, 40 H, 17K/21BB, 3 HBP, 8 HR, 4.93 ERA, 1.452 WHIP

 

Of course a lot of people wanted Schmidt+ rookie-that wouldn't have worked out too well.

 

Also, here's one more pitcher that was wanted over the offseason:

 

Westbrook-6 GS, 27 1/3 IP, 32 H, 18 K/14 BB, 1 HBP, 6 HR, 7.90 ERA, 1.683 WHIP

Not to mention, Westbrook has also been placed on the DL.

 

Hendry and Rothschild are looking like friggin' geniuses right now...right now.

 

This team is 1 game over 500 with one of the top payrolls in baseball. Lets not get carried away.

[Andy]

We have a #1 and four #5's. :lol:

Yeah, and Z is one of the 5's. :wink:

[Derwood]

I'm happy to report that I was one of the only voices of reason in that whole thread

 

/+1 for level headedness

[CubsWin]

anyone check and see how guys like wolf & padilla have done so far this year? i believe many people on this board much preferred them to lilly & marquis.

 

Wolf-7 GS, 41 IP, 44 H, 44K/13BB, 4 HBP, 6 HR, 4.61 ERA, 1.39 WHIP

Padilla-7 GS, 42 IP, 40 H, 17K/21BB, 3 HBP, 8 HR, 4.93 ERA, 1.452 WHIP

 

Of course a lot of people wanted Schmidt+ rookie-that wouldn't have worked out too well.

 

Also, here's one more pitcher that was wanted over the offseason:

 

Westbrook-6 GS, 27 1/3 IP, 32 H, 18 K/14 BB, 1 HBP, 6 HR, 7.90 ERA, 1.683 WHIP

Not to mention, Westbrook has also been placed on the DL.

 

Hendry and Rothschild are looking like friggin' geniuses right now...right now.

 

This team is 1 game over 500 with one of the top payrolls in baseball. Lets not get carried away.

I'll make you a deal, I won't get carried away if you look at the context of the comments you respond to. Look at the thread you are in. It is in reference to the signing of Marquis and not those other guys. So, right now, he is looking like a friggin' genius.

 

Right now.

[frostwyrm]

anyone check and see how guys like wolf & padilla have done so far this year? i believe many people on this board much preferred them to lilly & marquis.

 

Wolf-7 GS, 41 IP, 44 H, 44K/13BB, 4 HBP, 6 HR, 4.61 ERA, 1.39 WHIP

Padilla-7 GS, 42 IP, 40 H, 17K/21BB, 3 HBP, 8 HR, 4.93 ERA, 1.452 WHIP

 

Of course a lot of people wanted Schmidt+ rookie-that wouldn't have worked out too well.

 

Also, here's one more pitcher that was wanted over the offseason:

 

Westbrook-6 GS, 27 1/3 IP, 32 H, 18 K/14 BB, 1 HBP, 6 HR, 7.90 ERA, 1.683 WHIP

Not to mention, Westbrook has also been placed on the DL.

 

Hendry and Rothschild are looking like friggin' geniuses right now...right now.

 

This team is 1 game over 500 with one of the top payrolls in baseball. Lets not get carried away.

 

And to get over .500 we only needed a long stretch of playing just Pirates and Nationals. Until then we weren't doing so hot. It's also kinda hard to call Hendry a genius when he has gambled and lost so many times on players. Just by random chance at least some of his gambles have to pay off simply due to the large number of them.

[Soriano12]

anyone check and see how guys like wolf & padilla have done so far this year? i believe many people on this board much preferred them to lilly & marquis.

 

Wolf-7 GS, 41 IP, 44 H, 44K/13BB, 4 HBP, 6 HR, 4.61 ERA, 1.39 WHIP

Padilla-7 GS, 42 IP, 40 H, 17K/21BB, 3 HBP, 8 HR, 4.93 ERA, 1.452 WHIP

 

Of course a lot of people wanted Schmidt+ rookie-that wouldn't have worked out too well.

 

Also, here's one more pitcher that was wanted over the offseason:

 

Westbrook-6 GS, 27 1/3 IP, 32 H, 18 K/14 BB, 1 HBP, 6 HR, 7.90 ERA, 1.683 WHIP

Not to mention, Westbrook has also been placed on the DL.

 

Hendry and Rothschild are looking like friggin' geniuses right now...right now.

 

This team is 1 game over 500 with one of the top payrolls in baseball. Lets not get carried away.

I'll make you a deal, I won't get carried away if you look at the context of the comments you respond to. Look at the thread you are in. It is in reference to the signing of Marquis and not those other guys. So, right now, he is looking like a friggin' genius.

 

Right now.

 

If you throw enough darts, you are bound to hit bullseye at some point.

[killthegoat06]

Marquis is a bum. We should have given the money to Big Z.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is sarcasm by the way.