Philly Makes 5/73 Offer to Soriano

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

That's right, nobody likes 40 40 guys. we need walks. LOL

 

In five years Alph will be 35 plus change.

 

I agree with IMB.

 

To be fair, Soriano is probably one of the most athletic, well conditioned guys in the game. It's not like we're talking about some unathletic guy who's always out of shape.

 

Conversely, his loopy swing isn't likely to age well with declining bat speed.

 

If we don't get drew, what options do we have to improve this team though?

 

Trade market. A-Rod, Burrell, etc.

[killthegoat06]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

That's right, nobody likes 40 40 guys. we need walks. LOL

 

In five years Alph will be 35 plus change.

 

I agree with IMB.

 

To be fair, Soriano is probably one of the most athletic, well conditioned guys in the game. It's not like we're talking about some unathletic guy who's always out of shape.

 

Conversely, his loopy swing isn't likely to age well with declining bat speed.

 

If we don't get drew, what options do we have to improve this team though?

 

I hear Sammy Sosa wants to come back. I think he'd settle for a 3 yr. deal. :lol:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

That's right, nobody likes 40 40 guys. we need walks. LOL

 

In five years Alph will be 35 plus change.

 

I agree with IMB.

 

To be fair, Soriano is probably one of the most athletic, well conditioned guys in the game. It's not like we're talking about some unathletic guy who's always out of shape.

 

Conversely, his loopy swing isn't likely to age well with declining bat speed.

 

If we don't get drew, what options do we have to improve this team though?

 

I'd go after Drew first. Next, I'd look to see if the Braves would move Jones. Then I'd go for Soriano, if he's still there.

 

In reality, I'd hope Hendry would check on Jones during the GM meetings. If that looks like it won't go, I'd make simultaneous offers to Drew and Soriano, because it is uncertain who will sign first. My focus would be on Drew without losing Soriano if possible.

[Rob]

But let's assume Drew plays in 120 games. Drew for 120 plus Pagan for 42 is a darn good bet to outproduce Soriano, especially when you consider Soriano's numbers are most likely going to start to collape back to his career norms.

 

Goodness gracious.

 

Do you realize how bad Pagan is?

 

Obviously not.

 

That said, I'd be quite pleased with either Drew or Soriano.

 

If The Awful Hendry hadn't taken on Izturis' money, we might be able to squeeze them both in.

 

Actually, that was part of my point.

[Deeg]

No offense, guys, but yer nuts if you think 5/$73 will get it done. He's either going to get 6 years minimum, or something like $18 million per on a 4 or 5 year deal. I'd rather have Drew myself, but reality is reality.

[snoodmonger]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

That's right, nobody likes 40 40 guys. we need walks. LOL

 

In five years Alph will be 35 plus change.

 

I agree with IMB.

 

To be fair, Soriano is probably one of the most athletic, well conditioned guys in the game. It's not like we're talking about some unathletic guy who's always out of shape.

 

Conversely, his loopy swing isn't likely to age well with declining bat speed.

 

If we don't get drew, what options do we have to improve this team though?

 

Trade market. A-Rod, Burrell, etc.

 

I guess I'm not convinced we have the trading pieces necessary in a competitive trade market. Who knows, though. ARod miight want to dictate where he goes, and Burrell's contract is cumbersome.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Drew fits a need for this team better than Fonzie. The only negatives with JD are his tendency to get hurt and his perceived lackadaisy approach to the game. So he should fit right in with Ramirez and Prior, no?

 

I like that Drew is a consistent OBP machine though, hits left-handed, good power, decent defense, and he can run a bit. Really, there's nothing about his baseball ability to fault. But after our experiences with Wood and Prior and Nomar, it's hard to pull the trigger on a guy you don't have confidence in that he can play 150+ games for you.

 

Frankly, I'd rather see if Hendry could pull off a trade for a high-priced bat on another team that said team is looking to move, with us on the hook for fewer years than either Drew or Soriano will get. Andruw Jones, Pat Burrell, Manny Ramirez and Adam Dunn would be the four obvious names here. I don't believe any of them are signed for more than three additional years, tops. In fact, in Burrell's case I know it's just two more years for sure.

 

Then who will bat leadoff, squawk! Who will bat leadoff, squawk! Well, I think Theriot deserves a shot. If the Cubs can move Jones, then Dave Roberts is a good option.

 

And I am hoping (but surely will be disappointed) the Cubs could land Iwamura, I'd love to see him get a chance at batting in the two-hole, I think he'd good there.

[rjchapma]

We need pitching more then we need either one of those guys. Id hope hendry would sign one of those three main guys, but I care about having a starting rotation over one extra bat in the lineup. honestly im not just getting roberts for centerfield and then two legitamate starters aka Jason Schmidt and Lilly

[Balsa]

Why would this surprise anyone? I mean, I want Soriano, but I expected this kind of price tag.

 

He's coming off an amazing season in a really, really dry FA market. BAM, instant cash.

 

Maybe C. Lee will be cheaper?

[jmajew]

Soriano will probably get 5/80...I don't see how many teams can see him being worth more than a million more a year than Aramis. I can't see many teams getting in a true bidding war for him because I think most teams realize what everyone on this board has been saying. That he is not worth the money he is going ot get.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Soriano will probably get 5/80...I don't see how many teams can see him being worth more than a million more a year than Aramis. I can't see many teams getting in a true bidding war for him because I think most teams realize what everyone on this board has been saying. That he is not worth the money he is going ot get.

 

You're going to be surprised at what he'll get. The Angels were rumored to be going to offer Ramirez over 100 million.

 

Teams will start raising the ante a million at a time. Soriano likely will sign a 6/96 deal and get a no-trade clause to boot.

[jmajew]

Soriano will probably get 5/80...I don't see how many teams can see him being worth more than a million more a year than Aramis. I can't see many teams getting in a true bidding war for him because I think most teams realize what everyone on this board has been saying. That he is not worth the money he is going ot get.

 

You're going to be surprised at what he'll get. The Angels were rumored to be going to offer Ramirez over 100 million.

 

Teams will start raising the ante a million at a time. Soriano likely will sign a 6/96 deal and get a no-trade clause to boot.

 

Well the 6/96 only adds another year onto what I was thinking at the same price so that isnt' that bad. Soriano will probably be horrible that last year, but who knows with guys staying productive till their late 30's early 40s now, he may still be producing.

[soccer10k]

I think Jose Canseco is available - isn't he a 40-40 guy?

 

I heard he pitches too, which would solve another of our problems. I'm in.

[Wheelimus]

Offer him 5/75, with a sixth year that vests should he actually play up to the contract. I'll take my chances, and it's slightly below market value, in this stupid market.

 

Presuming he will play center.

[Balsa]

Offer him 5/75, with a sixth year that vests should he actually play up to the contract. I'll take my chances, and it's slightly below market value, in this stupid market.

 

Presuming he will play center.

....or 2B?

[questionmarkgrace]

its pretty much a given that the next player we sign will be overpaid. But I'd prefer we sign a good pitcher before we sign a guy like soriano

[Guest]

its pretty much a given that the next player we sign will be overpaid. But I'd prefer we sign a good pitcher before we sign a guy like soriano

 

me too - unfortunately the options aren't there.

[questionmarkgrace]

jus posted on rotoworld:

 

According to the Los Angeles Times, the Angels may have already made an offer to Alfonso Soriano, possibly for about $80 million over six years.

 

It's going to take more than that. Soriano seems sure to require at least $15 million per year and he might yet get $110 million-$120 million in a seven-year deal. If the Angels can sign him, they could use him in center and put Chone Figgins at third (or on the trading block). An alternative would be to use him in left and make Garret Anderson a DH, something that might work better.

 

ha its already gone up 7 million dollars in less that 24 hours. We wont get this guy

[NewUserName]

I may be stupid and not understanding of Baseball. I just dont get why a team would trade Bobby Abreu for nothing and are going to trade Pat Burrell for not much more, than turn around and offer Soriano more money than they were pay either of these guys. I know its Pat Gillick and he has to make moves but this just doesnt make any sense to me whatsoever.

[Laura]

Here's the LA Times article.

 

LA Times[/url]"]GM Bill Stoneman said Monday that he's "thrown some offers out there already," and one is believed to be to slugger Alfonso Soriano, possibly for six years and about $80 million.

 

"Every offer we make is a serious offer," Stoneman said. "But you never know how quick someone will respond to you."

 

At least six other teams — the Dodgers, Cubs, Phillies, Orioles, Mets and Padres — are expected to make strong bids for Soriano, who hit .277 with 46 home runs, 95 runs batted in and 41 stolen bases for Washington this year.

 

Diego Bentz, one of Soriano's agents, is expected to meet with Stoneman and other GMs this week, and one baseball source said Soriano may travel to Florida to take part in several of those meetings.

 

Though the Angels appear set at Soriano's two primary positions, left field (Garret Anderson) and second base (Howie Kendrick), they could move Kendrick to first base, Anderson to designated hitter or open up center field for Soriano.

[Balsa]

Wow. This contract is gonna be enormous.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Wow. This contract is gonna be enormous.

 

Yep, here we go....

 

 

According to the Los Angeles Times, the Angels may have already made an offer to Alfonso Soriano, possibly for about $80 million over six years.

It's going to take more than that. Soriano seems sure to require at least $15 million per year and he might yet get $110 million-$120 million in a seven-year deal.

 

Per Rotoworld.com

[Flames24Rulz]

I'd like Soriano and I still think he's a realistic option. Based on what Piniella said last night, I believe that the Cubs are going to get involved in the bidding with the Angels. I don't think the Phillies are going to go as far up as teams like the Angels and Cubs for Soriano.

 

The guy is guranteed to hit .280 for you, hit 40 homers, and steal 40 bases, while driving in a ton of runs. Yeah his OBP isn't the best, but if the Cubs (who by the way say they want to spend $115 million on the 2007 team) sign Drew for one of the OF spots, I'd be more than willing to sign Soriano and take his OBP hit. The guy would be a great addition for a middle of the order threat.

 

And if we were to land Soriano, I'd definitely have him play in the outfield. His defense really improved throughout the year and he has an amazing arm as well. I know it's not saying much, but he's already a much better defensive OF than he was a defensive 2nd baseman.

[jjgman21]

Wow. This contract is gonna be enormous.

 

Yep, here we go....

 

 

According to the Los Angeles Times, the Angels may have already made an offer to Alfonso Soriano, possibly for about $80 million over six years.

It's going to take more than that. Soriano seems sure to require at least $15 million per year and he might yet get $110 million-$120 million in a seven-year deal.

 

Per Rotoworld.com

 

I think it might just be the Angels. nobody else has thrown silly numbers around.

[Balsa]

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if it went over $100 for five years.