Philly Makes 5/73 Offer to Soriano

[jjgman21]

I'd like Soriano and I still think he's a realistic option. Based on what Piniella said last night, I believe that the Cubs are going to get involved in the bidding with the Angels. I don't think the Phillies are going to go as far up as teams like the Angels and Cubs for Soriano.

 

The guy is guranteed to hit .280 for you, hit 40 homers, and steal 40 bases, while driving in a ton of runs. Yeah his OBP isn't the best, but if the Cubs (who by the way say they want to spend $115 million on the 2007 team) sign Drew for one of the OF spots, I'd be more than willing to sign Soriano and take his OBP hit. The guy would be a great addition for a middle of the order threat.

 

And if we were to land Soriano, I'd definitely have him play in the outfield. His defense really improved throughout the year and he has an amazing arm as well. I know it's not saying much, but he's already a much better defensive OF than he was a defensive 2nd baseman.

 

if the numbers cheese threw up are true, no thanks. he's also by no means guaranteed to put up those numbers. I thought some people were getting greedy, but arguably the top three position FAs all to the Cubs? that's not pipe dreams, that's crack pipe dreams.

[nilodnayr]

I'd like Soriano and I still think he's a realistic option. Based on what Piniella said last night, I believe that the Cubs are going to get involved in the bidding with the Angels. I don't think the Phillies are going to go as far up as teams like the Angels and Cubs for Soriano.

 

The guy is guranteed to hit .280 for you, hit 40 homers, and steal 40 bases, while driving in a ton of runs. Yeah his OBP isn't the best, but if the Cubs (who by the way say they want to spend $115 million on the 2007 team) sign Drew for one of the OF spots, I'd be more than willing to sign Soriano and take his OBP hit. The guy would be a great addition for a middle of the order threat.

 

And if we were to land Soriano, I'd definitely have him play in the outfield. His defense really improved throughout the year and he has an amazing arm as well. I know it's not saying much, but he's already a much better defensive OF than he was a defensive 2nd baseman.

 

Texas says hello.

 

Plain and simple, Sori was league average for 2 of the last three years (in a hitters heaven taboot), how does that not scare the bejesus out of people? Yes he had a teriffic 06 but please put it in context. The world did not begin in April 2006, we have more info than that to make our decisions! Soriano is not guaranteed to do anything for you.

[Danny82]

People also guaranteed that his numbers would take a nosedive once he played 1/2 of his games in Washington's ballpark instead of Texas'.

[Flames24Rulz]

I'd like Soriano and I still think he's a realistic option. Based on what Piniella said last night, I believe that the Cubs are going to get involved in the bidding with the Angels. I don't think the Phillies are going to go as far up as teams like the Angels and Cubs for Soriano.

 

The guy is guranteed to hit .280 for you, hit 40 homers, and steal 40 bases, while driving in a ton of runs. Yeah his OBP isn't the best, but if the Cubs (who by the way say they want to spend $115 million on the 2007 team) sign Drew for one of the OF spots, I'd be more than willing to sign Soriano and take his OBP hit. The guy would be a great addition for a middle of the order threat.

 

And if we were to land Soriano, I'd definitely have him play in the outfield. His defense really improved throughout the year and he has an amazing arm as well. I know it's not saying much, but he's already a much better defensive OF than he was a defensive 2nd baseman.

 

Texas says hello.

 

Plain and simple, Sori was league average for 2 of the last three years (in a hitters heaven taboot), how does that not scare the bejesus out of people? Yes he had a teriffic 06 but please put it in context. The world did not begin in April 2006, we have more info than that to make our decisions! Soriano is not guaranteed to do anything for you.

 

Even though before last year, the two seasons he had the most homers (39 and 38) came with the Yankees, right? 2 of Soriano's 3 seasons as a Yankee (besides his rookie season) were both better than his two seasons in Texas. Look at his career averages: .280, .325 OBP, 35 homers, 94 RBI's. I think he'd be a good beneficiary of the summertime winds at Wrigley as well.

[jmajew]

jus posted on rotoworld:

 

According to the Los Angeles Times, the Angels may have already made an offer to Alfonso Soriano, possibly for about $80 million over six years.

 

It's going to take more than that. Soriano seems sure to require at least $15 million per year and he might yet get $110 million-$120 million in a seven-year deal. If the Angels can sign him, they could use him in center and put Chone Figgins at third (or on the trading block). An alternative would be to use him in left and make Garret Anderson a DH, something that might work better.

 

ha its already gone up 7 million dollars in less that 24 hours. We wont get this guy

 

Actually 6/80 is less per year than the 5/73 the Philly's offered. So the deal hasn't gone up they just upped the years a bit to try to entice him.

[nilodnayr]

I'd like Soriano and I still think he's a realistic option. Based on what Piniella said last night, I believe that the Cubs are going to get involved in the bidding with the Angels. I don't think the Phillies are going to go as far up as teams like the Angels and Cubs for Soriano.

 

The guy is guranteed to hit .280 for you, hit 40 homers, and steal 40 bases, while driving in a ton of runs. Yeah his OBP isn't the best, but if the Cubs (who by the way say they want to spend $115 million on the 2007 team) sign Drew for one of the OF spots, I'd be more than willing to sign Soriano and take his OBP hit. The guy would be a great addition for a middle of the order threat.

 

And if we were to land Soriano, I'd definitely have him play in the outfield. His defense really improved throughout the year and he has an amazing arm as well. I know it's not saying much, but he's already a much better defensive OF than he was a defensive 2nd baseman.

 

Texas says hello.

 

Plain and simple, Sori was league average for 2 of the last three years (in a hitters heaven taboot), how does that not scare the bejesus out of people? Yes he had a teriffic 06 but please put it in context. The world did not begin in April 2006, we have more info than that to make our decisions! Soriano is not guaranteed to do anything for you.

 

Even though before last year, the two seasons he had the most homers (39 and 38) came with the Yankees, right? 2 of Soriano's 3 seasons as a Yankee (besides his rookie season) were both better than his two seasons in Texas. Look at his career averages: .280, .325 OBP, 35 homers, 94 RBI's. I think he'd be a good beneficiary of the summertime winds at Wrigley as well.

 

All Im saying is to use all the information we have to evaluate him. Yes, hes had very productive years and unproductive years. In the future, will you get the 2002-03 Soriano? Will you get the 2004-05 Soriano? Will you get the 06 Soriano? No one knows. The last three years are going to be better predictors than 02 and 03. Looking at the three CF options lets play the Player A game.

 

Player A's OPS+ for the last three years

 

158, 148, 125

 

Player B's OPS+ for the last three years

 

98, 110, 132

 

Player C's OPS+ for the last three years

 

101, 96, 119

[Laura]

The Houston Chronicle comes up with a new dollar amount (no source credited).

 

BRIAN McTAGGART / The Houston Chronicle[/url]"] Alfonso Soriano, OF — The top free-agent prize on the market this season, Soriano hit .277 with 46 homers, 41 stolen bases and 95 RBIs for the Washington Nationals. But be ready to pay up. The Phillies are reportedly ready to offer him $15 million a year for seven years.

 

That would come to 7/105.

[nilodnayr]

The Houston Chronicle comes up with a new dollar amount (no source credited).

 

BRIAN McTAGGART / The Houston Chronicle[/url]"] Alfonso Soriano, OF — The top free-agent prize on the market this season, Soriano hit .277 with 46 homers, 41 stolen bases and 95 RBIs for the Washington Nationals. But be ready to pay up. The Phillies are reportedly ready to offer him $15 million a year for seven years.

 

That would come to 7/105.

 

Jeez, since when did the Huston Chronicle become a nationwide paper?!?!

[NorthsideAvenger]

The Houston Chronicle comes up with a new dollar amount (no source credited).

 

BRIAN McTAGGART / The Houston Chronicle[/url]"] Alfonso Soriano, OF — The top free-agent prize on the market this season, Soriano hit .277 with 46 homers, 41 stolen bases and 95 RBIs for the Washington Nationals. But be ready to pay up. The Phillies are reportedly ready to offer him $15 million a year for seven years.

 

That would come to 7/105.

 

Hendry better BACK AWAY IN A HURRY at that cost. No way is Soriano going to be worth that.

[frostwyrm]

I hate this pattern of players have a career year right before hitting free agency, then getting an absurdly huge contract based on that one season. I did want Soriano but now I'd much rather go after ARod.

[WrigleyinEngland]

We should take advantage of the money we have this year, whatever FA we go after front load his contract and pay for his best couple of years and don't make him untradeable in 3-4 years.

[frostwyrm]

We should take advantage of the money we have this year, whatever FA we go after front load his contract and pay for his best couple of years and don't make him untradeable in 3-4 years.

 

Soriano will get at least a $15M average annual salary over 6-7 years. If you front load a contract that big you end up paying $20M annually for 3 years. That's okay for the Yankees but not for anyone else.

[USSoccer]

Its funny that the same Chicago media who have been reading from the "How to bash Aramis" pamphlet haven't taken the time to realize that some of the invalid criticisms of Aramis are actually valid about Soriano:

 

-He's the same guy who refused to play LF, only relenting when the Nats threatened to suspend him without pay

 

-Whined about being traded to Texas

 

-Put up 40/40 for a losing team. In Chicago sportswriter world, the losing should negate the 40 HR's since most would be "meaningless".

 

-In September of 2005, with Texas still fighting for a playoff spot, put up a Neifi-esque .637 OPS. In September of 2006, with the Nats still technically alive for the WC in a pathetic NL, he OPS'd .641. Where's the clutchiness?

 

 

I think Soriano is a good player, but he's not worth what he's going to get, and there shold be doubts about his attitude as well. I would probably chase Drew, a trade, and then come back to Sori if he's still there.

[Pinktermite]

Drew's too good a fit for the Cubs for Hendry to consider Soriano. A left handed bat in between Aram and Lee...too good a fit.

 

I think Hendry signs Drew, and if he doesn't, it's not without trying.

[cubweiser03]

I could handle 6 years (gulp), 7 is really pushing it. $15M doesnt scare me. Typically i dont like to overpay for players and im not saying Soriano is the perfect example to overpay but the Cubs are going to have to overpay for Drew or Soriano. What is Soriano worth, probably $12-$13M? (especially for CF or 2b) so its not like they are overpaying by $7-$10M. A couple million wont ruin this team. Heck they will be overpaying for Rusch and Izzy each by about $2M (im giving those guys the benefit of the doubt).

 

Id ask for a limited NTC if its a 6 or 7 year deal. Soriano could be dumped in year 6 or 7. He's the type of talent a team would overpay for even if his skills are deteriating at that time.

[WrigleyinEngland]

No way i offer soriano that kind of cash + years. To earn that money you have to be a perfect fit for a team which Drew is and soriano isn't. With Drew you add OBP,LH stick at 3,4,5 and the possibility of him playing CF or Rf and trading a possibly valuable chip in Jock. Only drawback is health but he's been good to go 2 of the last 3 and you could always sign a cheap option (lofton?) just in case.

[WrigleyinEngland]

From the Sun-times this morning.........

 

'as it stands now, the Cubs are saving their biggest money for Soriano.'

 

cdeluca@suntimes.com

 

He also states that Piniella wanted Soriano from the get go and also says the Angels are determined to outbid the cubs after the Aram situation. Why's Stoneman got such a beef about a club re-signing a player?, not like we're in thier league let alone division. Deluca is the 3rd beat writer/jurno i have read/heard say that Soriano is no 1 on the cubs radar. I'm worried about the amount of yrs and $ we might give.........

[C.C.]

From the Sun-times this morning.........

 

'as it stands now, the Cubs are saving their biggest money for Soriano.'

 

cdeluca@suntimes.com

 

He also states that Piniella wanted Soriano from the get go and also says the Angels are determined to outbid the cubs after the Aram situation. Why's Stoneman got such a beef about a club re-signing a player?, not like we're in thier league let alone division. Deluca is the 3rd beat writer/jurno i have read/heard say that Soriano is no 1 on the cubs radar. I'm worried about the amount of yrs and $ we might give.........

 

I'm not worried about money or years. Just get it done.

[CubmanPi]

I definitely am worried about giving up those kinds of numbers for Soriano. Just because he's among the best available this off-season doesn't mean he's worth it. Though if there's any merit to the Angels angle of the story, I think it'd be funny seeing Hendry bump up the bidding to make Anaheim go closer to 7/125.

[RyCubsFan]

From the Sun-times this morning.........

 

'as it stands now, the Cubs are saving their biggest money for Soriano.'

 

cdeluca@suntimes.com

 

He also states that Piniella wanted Soriano from the get go and also says the Angels are determined to outbid the cubs after the Aram situation. Why's Stoneman got such a beef about a club re-signing a player?, not like we're in thier league let alone division. Deluca is the 3rd beat writer/jurno i have read/heard say that Soriano is no 1 on the cubs radar. I'm worried about the amount of yrs and $ we might give.........

 

I'm not worried about money or years. Just get it done.

 

Same. I'm thinking 6 years, 102 million.

[roadster]

From the Sun-times this morning.........

 

'as it stands now, the Cubs are saving their biggest money for Soriano.'

 

cdeluca@suntimes.com

 

He also states that Piniella wanted Soriano from the get go and also says the Angels are determined to outbid the cubs after the Aram situation. Why's Stoneman got such a beef about a club re-signing a player?, not like we're in thier league let alone division. Deluca is the 3rd beat writer/jurno i have read/heard say that Soriano is no 1 on the cubs radar. I'm worried about the amount of yrs and $ we might give.........

I'm not worried about money or years. Just get it done.

 

Easy for you to say, it's not your money..:P

[Rob]

Now would be a great one of those times for Hendry to stop working at a level over his ability like he has for the last three weeks. I could really go for his patented "token run" at the top free agent and instead going harder after what he feels is the #2 option.

[C.C.]

From the Sun-times this morning.........

 

'as it stands now, the Cubs are saving their biggest money for Soriano.'

 

cdeluca@suntimes.com

 

He also states that Piniella wanted Soriano from the get go and also says the Angels are determined to outbid the cubs after the Aram situation. Why's Stoneman got such a beef about a club re-signing a player?, not like we're in thier league let alone division. Deluca is the 3rd beat writer/jurno i have read/heard say that Soriano is no 1 on the cubs radar. I'm worried about the amount of yrs and $ we might give.........

I'm not worried about money or years. Just get it done.

 

Easy for you to say, it's not your money..:P

 

Well in a round about way it is. Having spent heavily on the Cubs for my 38 years of service, I deserve a championship, no matter what the cost.

[frostwyrm]

Rather than give an inferior player an ARod type deal, why not just go after ARod?

[WrigleyinEngland]

Its all very well saying 'im not worried get it done' etc,etc but he really isn't an elite player along the lines of A-rod,Cabrera,Pujols or even Manny.

IMO it would be very short sighted to give anything over 5 yrs $80. Even that figure leaves you in a bind if he gets injured etc. If this guy was the answer to all our problems yes go out and get it done but his skills do not equate to the $$$ people are talking about.