Philly Makes 5/73 Offer to Soriano

[Derwood]

I don't really like the idea of giving anyone a deal much longer than 3 or 4 years. It's impossible to trade that kind of contract if things go south in the first couple of years of the deal

[CubColtPacer]

Rather than give an inferior player an ARod type deal, why not just go after ARod?

 

The difference is that ARod costs more than the money-he also costs the players that it would take, and then the extra money that it would take to replace those players. Even if we got a good deal (Hill+Erye+ good prospect), we'd still have to replace Hill with one of the pitchers on the FA market, say Padilla for 9 per. Would you want ARod+Padilla for 25 mil or Soriano+Hill for 18 mil, not to mention that Erye and the good prospect are gone also? That's also one of the best case scenarios-if Arod costs more then that, then it becomes harder and harder to replace the talent we'd have to give up.

[C.C.]

Rather than give an inferior player an ARod type deal, why not just go after ARod?

 

The difference is that ARod costs more than the money-he also costs the players that it would take, and then the extra money that it would take to replace those players. Even if we got a good deal (Hill+Erye+ good prospect), we'd still have to replace Hill with one of the pitchers on the FA market, say Padilla for 9 per. Would you want ARod+Padilla for 25 mil or Soriano+Hill for 18 mil, not to mention that Erye and the good prospect are gone also? That's also one of the best case scenarios-if Arod costs more then that, then it becomes harder and harder to replace the talent we'd have to give up.

 

Very true and good post.

[WrigleyinEngland]

Yes you give up players but you get quality talent back. It's alot easier to replace a guy like Eyre or even a guy like Hill (i like him too but it was only 1/2 a year) than get the skills an elite player like A-Rod offers. Soriano just isn't an elite player to justify that type of contract.

[WrigleyinEngland]

Another note about the $$ , what happens if Prior finally turns it around? we will need to lock both him and Z up + the SP we need to at least have a better than mediocre rotation. If the money used on Soriano lets prior walk and he 'does a Maddux' there's going to be alot of people wondering why the hell we got in to the soriano contract in the 1st place.

[C.C.]

Yes you give up players but you get quality talent back. It's alot easier to replace a guy like Eyre or even a guy like Hill (i like him too but it was only 1/2 a year) than get the skills an elite player like A-Rod offers. Soriano just isn't an elite player to justify that type of contract.

 

Sometimes you have to overpay here and underpay there. You have a team salary to start with. Get the players you want with the salary you structured and all is well. I'd rather have a Soriano, then not have him...In this market you are going to overpay for everyone. Obviously baseball owners are making a crap-load of money and the Cubs are one of those teams.

[C.C.]

Another note about the $$ , what happens if Prior finally turns it around? we will need to lock both him and Z up + the SP we need to at least have a better than mediocre rotation. If the money used on Soriano lets prior walk and he 'does a Maddux' there's going to be alot of people wondering why the hell we got in to the soriano contract in the 1st place.

 

That's a mighty, mighty big "if". Let's not count on Prior for anything. Espically thinking about giving him a big contract when he hasn't been healthy in 2 years...

[WrigleyinEngland]

If you can gurantee that Jones,Dempsters,Izturis and Ruschs contracts are gone then i would think about making a play for Soriano. How much are those 4 contracts together?? $17 mill?

[frostwyrm]

Rather than give an inferior player an ARod type deal, why not just go after ARod?

 

The difference is that ARod costs more than the money-he also costs the players that it would take, and then the extra money that it would take to replace those players. Even if we got a good deal (Hill+Erye+ good prospect), we'd still have to replace Hill with one of the pitchers on the FA market, say Padilla for 9 per. Would you want ARod+Padilla for 25 mil or Soriano+Hill for 18 mil, not to mention that Erye and the good prospect are gone also? That's also one of the best case scenarios-if Arod costs more then that, then it becomes harder and harder to replace the talent we'd have to give up.

 

If it were up to me I'd just give the Yanks Z and forget about 2007. That's vastly preferrable to the Soriano proposals I'm seeing, and IMO a 2007 run is unlikely anyway.

[C.C.]

Rather than give an inferior player an ARod type deal, why not just go after ARod?

 

The difference is that ARod costs more than the money-he also costs the players that it would take, and then the extra money that it would take to replace those players. Even if we got a good deal (Hill+Erye+ good prospect), we'd still have to replace Hill with one of the pitchers on the FA market, say Padilla for 9 per. Would you want ARod+Padilla for 25 mil or Soriano+Hill for 18 mil, not to mention that Erye and the good prospect are gone also? That's also one of the best case scenarios-if Arod costs more then that, then it becomes harder and harder to replace the talent we'd have to give up.

 

If it were up to me I'd just give the Yanks Z and forget about 2007. That's vastly preferrable to the Soriano proposals I'm seeing, and IMO a 2007 run is unlikely anyway.

 

Why? You just saw a 83 win team win the World Series. The Nat'l is weak. All we need is a creative GM...Wait...Nevermind.

[WrigleyinEngland]

'If it were up to me I'd just give the Yanks Z and forget about 2007. That's vastly preferrable to the Soriano proposals I'm seeing, and IMO a 2007 run is unlikely anyway.'

 

Let's not get hasty here!!!! might come to that if JH doesn't get z extended though.

[Vinestal]

Ive got a horrible feeling about the contract that Soriano is going to get, Id rather the Cubs go after Drew and some other players. Its going to be an albatross of a contract in a couple of years that will keep us from being able to hold onto our players or go out and get good ones in the FA market. Just my opinion... I dont think he's worth it.

[Jon]

That's way, way too big of a contract to give to someone who's coming off his only great year of his career at the age of 30. He may very well have figured things out, but Drew is the better player, will come cheaper, and his .393 OBP would look pretty damn good in the two spot, along with his .512 career SLG.

[cjbucks]

That's way, way too big of a contract to give to someone who's coming off his only great year of his career at the age of 30. He may very well have figured things out, but Drew is the better player, will come cheaper, and his .393 OBP would look pretty damn good in the two spot, along with his .512 career SLG.

 

I agree and here's something far fetched to think about. On Baseball this Morning on XM the jeniuses there were advocating signing Soriano to play left because I quote Orestes Destrada (loosely) " Matt Murton after a hot first month was a disapointment the rest of the season so I would play Soriano in left and play this kid, this great kid the Cubs have Angel Pagan in centerfield" :roll:

[Derwood]

That's way, way too big of a contract to give to someone who's coming off his only great year of his career at the age of 30. He may very well have figured things out, but Drew is the better player, will come cheaper, and his .393 OBP would look pretty damn good in the two spot, along with his .512 career SLG.

 

I agree and here's something far fetched to think about. On Baseball this Morning on XM the jeniuses there were advocating signing Soriano to play left because I quote Orestes Destrada (loosely) " Matt Murton after a hot first month was a disapointment the rest of the season so I would play Soriano in left and play this kid, this great kid the Cubs have Angel Pagan in centerfield" :roll:

 

it's good to know that you don't ever have to do research or have facts to be paid to share your opinion on things

[jmajew]

That's way, way too big of a contract to give to someone who's coming off his only great year of his career at the age of 30. He may very well have figured things out, but Drew is the better player, will come cheaper, and his .393 OBP would look pretty damn good in the two spot, along with his .512 career SLG.

 

I agree and here's something far fetched to think about. On Baseball this Morning on XM the jeniuses there were advocating signing Soriano to play left because I quote Orestes Destrada (loosely) " Matt Murton after a hot first month was a disapointment the rest of the season so I would play Soriano in left and play this kid, this great kid the Cubs have Angel Pagan in centerfield" :roll:

 

it's good to know that you don't ever have to do research or have facts to be paid to share your opinion on things

 

I really hope they didn't say that. That is quite the embarassment.

[cjbucks]

That's way, way too big of a contract to give to someone who's coming off his only great year of his career at the age of 30. He may very well have figured things out, but Drew is the better player, will come cheaper, and his .393 OBP would look pretty damn good in the two spot, along with his .512 career SLG.

 

I agree and here's something far fetched to think about. On Baseball this Morning on XM the jeniuses there were advocating signing Soriano to play left because I quote Orestes Destrada (loosely) " Matt Murton after a hot first month was a disapointment the rest of the season so I would play Soriano in left and play this kid, this great kid the Cubs have Angel Pagan in centerfield" :roll:

 

it's good to know that you don't ever have to do research or have facts to be paid to share your opinion on things

 

I know and this is the dude that supposedly scooped the whole world on the Matsusaka(sp?) posting fee

[Flames24Rulz]

Would I like A-Rod? Of course. But would I be willing to part with Z to land him? Absolutely not. Our rotation is crap as it right now and to trade one of the best starters in the game really isn't worth it IMO. Yeah it'll benefit our offense greatly, but who would be our #1 starter then? Rich Hill? I'm a Hill fan, but he's not a #1 starter.

 

Signing Schmidt or Zito would elevate them to ace status, but still, you have only Hill behind him as a guy who you know will produce for you. You really can't count on Miller or Prior being effective for you next season. I'm all for getting A-Rod, if it would take prospects, but trading Z to get him would not help us in any way.

[imb]

This is why you have to absolutely draft well and bring up your own, cheap talent, because if you get yourself in a hole where you need to overhaul your offense through free agency, you are in trouble.

[Jon]

That's way, way too big of a contract to give to someone who's coming off his only great year of his career at the age of 30. He may very well have figured things out, but Drew is the better player, will come cheaper, and his .393 OBP would look pretty damn good in the two spot, along with his .512 career SLG.

 

I agree and here's something far fetched to think about. On Baseball this Morning on XM the jeniuses there were advocating signing Soriano to play left because I quote Orestes Destrada (loosely) " Matt Murton after a hot first month was a disapointment the rest of the season so I would play Soriano in left and play this kid, this great kid the Cubs have Angel Pagan in centerfield" :roll:

Ouch...

 

Just for kicks:

 

Murton - .297/.365/.444

Pagan - .247/.306/.394

[frostwyrm]

Would I like A-Rod? Of course. But would I be willing to part with Z to land him? Absolutely not. Our rotation is crap as it right now and to trade one of the best starters in the game really isn't worth it IMO. Yeah it'll benefit our offense greatly, but who would be our #1 starter then? Rich Hill? I'm a Hill fan, but he's not a #1 starter.

 

Signing Schmidt or Zito would elevate them to ace status, but still, you have only Hill behind him as a guy who you know will produce for you. You really can't count on Miller or Prior being effective for you next season. I'm all for getting A-Rod, if it would take prospects, but trading Z to get him would not help us in any way.

Z is a FA after 2007 and will be due for a massive contract, so keeping him only makes sense if we want to make a run in 2007. The Yanks are perpetually in 'win now' mode, so we could give Z to the Yanks and have ARod under contract thru 2010. Of course this is all moot because Hendry has to win now to save his job.

[HoopsCubs]

I'm going to guess the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim get Soriano for 6 years and $99M.

[JWCUB]

I'm going to guess the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim get Soriano for 6 years and $99M.

 

And who would you guess the Cubs get?

[cjbucks]

That's way, way too big of a contract to give to someone who's coming off his only great year of his career at the age of 30. He may very well have figured things out, but Drew is the better player, will come cheaper, and his .393 OBP would look pretty damn good in the two spot, along with his .512 career SLG.

 

I agree and here's something far fetched to think about. On Baseball this Morning on XM the jeniuses there were advocating signing Soriano to play left because I quote Orestes Destrada (loosely) " Matt Murton after a hot first month was a disapointment the rest of the season so I would play Soriano in left and play this kid, this great kid the Cubs have Angel Pagan in centerfield" :roll:

 

 

I emailed Baseball the AM and got this reply back from Mark Patrick:

 

Jeff,

 

Let me just say, I am a biased fan of Matt Murton. Maybe I wasn't

paying

attention at the time (it's been known to happen), but I thought O was

talking

about Soriano in center and leaving Murton in place. I do know that we

did

talk about the Cubs and Soriano more than a couple of times.

 

Whatever the case, your numbers speak for themselves. Thanks!

 

MP

 

Quoting >:

 

>

> While discussing who would be playing center field for the Cubs in

2007

> this year you gentlemen ignored the question and discussed putting A.

Soriano

> in left field for the Cubs. Orestes mentioned that the Cubs should go

with

> Soriano in left because " Matt Murton had a hot first month but was

kind of a

> disapointment after that" ??

>

> Matt Murton 2006

>

> April 286/368/442

> 2nd Half 319/390/522

> Season 297/365/444

>

> I'm trying to figure out which part of that is a disapointment???

>