Philly Makes 5/73 Offer to Soriano

[Rob]

FYI, Soriano has a 78% stolen base percentage for his career.

 

That's a good enough percentage where his base stealing helps his teams.

 

For his career, yeah.

 

But he's not quite the spry youngster he used to be. Somehow I have a hard time believing he's gonna be a good basestealer again.

[questionmarkgrace]

soriano also had 40 doubles last year

[JeffH]

Isn't Gillick anti-NTC?

 

I doubt he came across with the full NTC Soriano wants.

[VanceJergins]

soriano also had 40 doubles last year

 

And Drew has a higher career SLG% and a significantly higher OBP

[ConstableRabbit]

I really don't want Soriano either. He's overpriced and played out of his mind last year. I just don't see him diverting from his career numbers that much for much longer.

 

I guess it wouldn't be that bad if I had a guarantee Lou wouldn't bat him leadoff, but I'm almost certain that's what would happen and we don't need anymore low OBP from that spot.

[oldcubsfan]

look at games played. If you love walks bring back Ben Grieve and Mark Belhorn.

[CubinNY]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

That's right, nobody likes 40 40 guys. we need walks. LOL

 

In five years Alph will be 35 plus change.

 

I agree with IMB.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

look at games played. If you love walks bring back Ben Grieve and Mark Belhorn.

 

If you're referring to Drew, it's not just walks. It's overall production. Furthermore, we wouldn't be asking Drew to learn a new position.

 

Of course, if you love steals, why not get Roger Cedeno or just keep Slappy Pierre.

 

See, everyone can make ridiculous comparison to bring down other's arguments.

[CubFanPhilly]

Soriano already turned down 5/70 from the Nats. I doubt he has any interest in this deal.

 

Drew is a much better value.

[Rob]

look at games played. If you love walks bring back Ben Grieve and Mark Belhorn.

 

Pierre played a ton of games this year. Didn't make him any more valuable than Drew.

 

Heck, Drew in 72 games in 2005 was more valuable than Pierre in 162 that year.

 

I'm not saying injuries aren't a concern at all. But one broken bone from a beanball the last three years has been Drew's only serious injury. So while it's not a great bet that he's going to play in excess of 150 games, I have a hard time betting against him to play in less than 120 either.

 

But let's assume Drew plays in 120 games. Drew for 120 plus Pagan for 42 is a darn good bet to outproduce Soriano, especially when you consider Soriano's numbers are most likely going to start to collape back to his career norms.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Soriano isn't going to take a short term contract like Furcal did. Soriano won't be in line for another big FA payday after a 3 year contract. He'll accept nothing less than 5 years. The overall value of the contract is going to be the big issue for Soriano.

 

 

It's the NTC that worries me. He shouldn't be given one beyond the first 3 years.

Edited November 14, 2006 by RichHillIsABeast

[CubinNY]

Soriano isn't going to take a short term contract like Furcal did. Soriano won't be in line for another big FA payday after a 3 year contract. He'll accept nothing less than 5 years.

 

 

It's the NTC that worries me. He shouldn't be given one beyond the first 3 years.

 

If a team is going to give him one they might as well give it for the length, those last two years will be difficult to trade him with the money he is making.

[Guest]

drew + durham + starting pitcher is much much better than drew and soriano.

 

I think Jose Canseco is available - isn't he a 40-40 guy?

[RammyFanny]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

That's right, nobody likes 40 40 guys. we need walks. LOL

 

In five years Alph will be 35 plus change.

 

I agree with IMB.

 

To be fair, Soriano is probably one of the most athletic, well conditioned guys in the game. It's not like we're talking about some unathletic guy who's always out of shape.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Soriano isn't going to take a short term contract like Furcal did. Soriano won't be in line for another big FA payday after a 3 year contract. He'll accept nothing less than 5 years.

 

 

It's the NTC that worries me. He shouldn't be given one beyond the first 3 years.

 

If a team is going to give him one they might as well give it for the length, those last two years will be difficult to trade him with the money he is making.

 

You can always eat some of the contract and get prospects. An NTC makes that a lot more difficult. Of course Sheffield brought in a haul, didn't he? And got an extension...

[snoodmonger]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

I assume you want drew, but if we can't get him, what options do we have to improve this team aside from soriano? Lee? Or do you have some trades in mind?

[Rob]

Soriano isn't going to take a short term contract like Furcal did. Soriano won't be in line for another big FA payday after a 3 year contract. He'll accept nothing less than 5 years.

 

 

It's the NTC that worries me. He shouldn't be given one beyond the first 3 years.

 

If a team is going to give him one they might as well give it for the length, those last two years will be difficult to trade him with the money he is making.

 

You can always eat some of the contract and get prospects. An NTC makes that a lot more difficult. Of course Sheffield brought in a haul, didn't he? And got an extension...

 

Shef wasn't even packing a NTC, though.

 

But he did have a legitimate threat to retire, which functioned about the same way.

[Guest]

Soriano isn't going to take a short term contract like Furcal did. Soriano won't be in line for another big FA payday after a 3 year contract. He'll accept nothing less than 5 years.

 

 

It's the NTC that worries me. He shouldn't be given one beyond the first 3 years.

 

If a team is going to give him one they might as well give it for the length, those last two years will be difficult to trade him with the money he is making.

 

You can always eat some of the contract and get prospects. ...

 

like the cubs did with sosa?

[questionmarkgrace]

I think that this is the third time that I have said this but I'm pretty sure Drew hasn't played centerfield with any regularity since 1999. Does no one find this to be a concern? Truth I'd be happy with either guy. I really don't have any allegiance towards one or the other but I think that putting a guy that has had soft tissue injuries in a position that requires covering more ground is an accident waiting to happen. Put him in right and trade jaque I'm all for it.

[abuck1220]

look at games played. If you love walks bring back Ben Grieve and Mark Belhorn.

 

Pierre played a ton of games this year. Didn't make him any more valuable than Drew.

 

Heck, Drew in 72 games in 2005 was more valuable than Pierre in 162 that year.

 

I'm not saying injuries aren't a concern at all. But one broken bone from a beanball the last three years has been Drew's only serious injury. So while it's not a great bet that he's going to play in excess of 150 games, I have a hard time betting against him to play in less than 120 either.

 

But let's assume Drew plays in 120 games. Drew for 120 plus Pagan for 42 is a darn good bet to outproduce Soriano, especially when you consider Soriano's numbers are most likely going to start to collape back to his career norms.

 

heck, pagan would probably steal 40 bases if he played all season (he'd get 40+ hits in 162 games, right?)...why not just give him cf? after all, we all remember how hendry's appetite for speed worked out last season.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

CF is easier on the knees than a corner. Less cutting.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

That's right, nobody likes 40 40 guys. we need walks. LOL

 

In five years Alph will be 35 plus change.

 

I agree with IMB.

 

To be fair, Soriano is probably one of the most athletic, well conditioned guys in the game. It's not like we're talking about some unathletic guy who's always out of shape.

 

Conversely, his loopy swing isn't likely to age well with declining bat speed.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Shef wasn't even packing a NTC, though.

 

But he did have a legitimate threat to retire, which functioned about the same way.

 

LMAO, I guess he didn't.

[snoodmonger]

I want no part of Soriano for 5 years. I want so little part of him that it's almost like I want negative part of him. I want less than a part of him.

 

That's right, nobody likes 40 40 guys. we need walks. LOL

 

In five years Alph will be 35 plus change.

 

I agree with IMB.

 

To be fair, Soriano is probably one of the most athletic, well conditioned guys in the game. It's not like we're talking about some unathletic guy who's always out of shape.

 

Conversely, his loopy swing isn't likely to age well with declining bat speed.

 

If we don't get drew, what options do we have to improve this team though?

[JeffH]

But let's assume Drew plays in 120 games. Drew for 120 plus Pagan for 42 is a darn good bet to outproduce Soriano, especially when you consider Soriano's numbers are most likely going to start to collape back to his career norms.

 

Goodness gracious.

 

Do you realize how bad Pagan is?

 

Obviously not.

 

That said, I'd be quite pleased with either Drew or Soriano.

 

If The Awful Hendry hadn't taken on Izturis' money, we might be able to squeeze them both in.

Edited November 14, 2006 by JeffH