Are the Cubs really going to consider resigning Pierre?

[bobbyd20]

Pierre's production this season (second consecutive year below career average) is basically the same as Scott Podsednik, despite getting 150 more at-bats.

 

Pierre - 658 at bats, .288 avg, .328 OBP, 80 runs scored, 45 extra base hits, +34 stolen bases/caught stealing, terrible defensively

 

Pods - 502 at bats, .261 avg, .333 OBP, 84 runs scored, 35 extra base hits, +22 stolen bases/caught stealing, bad enough defensive that Macoviac plays center

 

It's fairly well-known that the White Sox are looking to replace Podsednik in the off-season while the Cubs are probably going to offer Pierre something in the 3 years, $18 to $21 million range. Is this the difference between the two franchises? One continually looking for ways to improve, while the other content to settle for medicrity (at best).

 

It seems to me that the Cubs are ready to continue their philosophy of overpaying for mediocrity into the '07 season...and it makes me sick to my stomach to follow this team.

[CuseCubFan69]

I would rather go in another direction than those 2 CF wise myself. As some have mentioned even moving Jones over to CF and getting a good bat for right would be better for this team.

[Backtobanks]

Pierre's production this season (second consecutive year below career average) is basically the same as Scott Podsednik, despite getting 150 more at-bats.

 

Pierre - 658 at bats, .288 avg, .328 OBP, 80 runs scored, 45 extra base hits, +34 stolen bases/caught stealing, terrible defensively

 

Pods - 502 at bats, .261 avg, .333 OBP, 84 runs scored, 35 extra base hits, +22 stolen bases/caught stealing, bad enough defensive that Macoviac plays center

 

It's fairly well-known that the White Sox are looking to replace Podsednik in the off-season while the Cubs are probably going to offer Pierre something in the 3 years, $18 to $21 million range. Is this the difference between the two franchises? One continually looking for ways to improve, while the other content to settle for medicrity (at best).

 

It seems to me that the Cubs are ready to continue their philosophy of overpaying for mediocrity into the '07 season...and it makes me sick to my stomach to follow this team.

 

It's pretty hard to compare something like runs scored when Posednik plays for a team with an outstanding offense (with a DH) and Pierre plays for a team with a pitiful offense. Put Konerko, Thome, and Dye in the Cubs' lineup and Pierre would have more runs scored. Also, there has been talk of going after Soriano for CF.

[TheDude]

Yes the Cubs are going to consider it.

[bobbyd20]

Pierre's production this season (second consecutive year below career average) is basically the same as Scott Podsednik, despite getting 150 more at-bats.

 

Pierre - 658 at bats, .288 avg, .328 OBP, 80 runs scored, 45 extra base hits, +34 stolen bases/caught stealing, terrible defensively

 

Pods - 502 at bats, .261 avg, .333 OBP, 84 runs scored, 35 extra base hits, +22 stolen bases/caught stealing, bad enough defensive that Macoviac plays center

 

It's fairly well-known that the White Sox are looking to replace Podsednik in the off-season while the Cubs are probably going to offer Pierre something in the 3 years, $18 to $21 million range. Is this the difference between the two franchises? One continually looking for ways to improve, while the other content to settle for medicrity (at best).

 

It seems to me that the Cubs are ready to continue their philosophy of overpaying for mediocrity into the '07 season...and it makes me sick to my stomach to follow this team.

 

It's pretty hard to compare something like runs scored when Posednik plays for a team with an outstanding offense (with a DH) and Pierre plays for a team with a pitiful offense. Put Konerko, Thome, and Dye in the Cubs' lineup and Pierre would have more runs scored. Also, there has been talk of going after Soriano for CF.

 

I wasn't comparing Pierre and Podsednik to see who has had a better season. I just was trying to give a basis for comparison to show how mediocre Pierre has been this year and show that despite this very ordinary season, the Cubs are willing to offer him a multi-year deal.

 

Couldn't Matt Murton equal these numbers in the leadoff slot at a fraction of the cost?

[CuseCubFan69]

Yes the Cubs are going to consider it.

 

Didn't Hendry say they were trying to resign Pierre? I thought he did.

[abuck1220]

LEGITIMATE!

[soapy]

If he doesn't sign Pierre, he'll probably go after someone like Torii Hunter.

 

vomit

[VanceJergins]

Pierre's production this season (second consecutive year below career average) is basically the same as Scott Podsednik, despite getting 150 more at-bats.

 

Pierre - 658 at bats, .288 avg, .328 OBP, 80 runs scored, 45 extra base hits, +34 stolen bases/caught stealing, terrible defensively

 

Pods - 502 at bats, .261 avg, .333 OBP, 84 runs scored, 35 extra base hits, +22 stolen bases/caught stealing, bad enough defensive that Macoviac plays center

 

It's fairly well-known that the White Sox are looking to replace Podsednik in the off-season while the Cubs are probably going to offer Pierre something in the 3 years, $18 to $21 million range. Is this the difference between the two franchises? One continually looking for ways to improve, while the other content to settle for medicrity (at best).

 

It seems to me that the Cubs are ready to continue their philosophy of overpaying for mediocrity into the '07 season...and it makes me sick to my stomach to follow this team.

 

It's pretty hard to compare something like runs scored when Posednik plays for a team with an outstanding offense (with a DH) and Pierre plays for a team with a pitiful offense. Put Konerko, Thome, and Dye in the Cubs' lineup and Pierre would have more runs scored. Also, there has been talk of going after Soriano for CF.

 

I wasn't comparing Pierre and Podsednik to see who has had a better season. I just was trying to give a basis for comparison to show how mediocre Pierre has been this year and show that despite this very ordinary season, the Cubs are willing to offer him a multi-year deal.

 

Couldn't Matt Murton equal these numbers in the leadoff slot at a fraction of the cost?

 

I think Murton could far exceed those numbers, while many times cheaper. Here is the comparison, and this is Murton's first full year:

 

AVG (Pierre's strongest stat): Murton +.011

OBP: Murton +.034

SLG: Murton +.061

 

And in 235 less at bats, Murton has 10 more home runs, 23 more RBI's, and only 18 less runs scored. Put Murton at leadoff or the 2 spot for a whole season and he will dominate Pierre's stats while making like 20 times less.

[VanceJergins]

If he doesn't sign Pierre, he'll probably go after someone like Torii Hunter.

 

vomit

 

The Cubs are on the list of teams Hunter counldnt be traded to, so it seems unlikely that he'd want to sign here as a FA.....at least I hope.

Edited September 21, 2006 by VanceJergins

[BigbadB1679666149]

It's pretty hard to compare something like runs scored when Posednik plays for a team with an outstanding offense (with a DH) and Pierre plays for a team with a pitiful offense. Put Konerko, Thome, and Dye in the Cubs' lineup and Pierre would have more runs scored. Also, there has been talk of going after Soriano for CF.

 

It is not very hard to predict that a guy who gets on base at a much higher percentage is going to score more often.

 

David DeJesus (KC)- 473 plate appearances leading off, 75 runs, .368 OBP

Juan Pierre- 676 plate appearances leading off, 78 runs, .331 OBP

 

Can anyone say that the KC Royals heart of the order has been better than the Cubs heart of the order?

 

Cubs #3- .304/.375/.502

Cubs #4- .278/.344/.506

 

Royals #3- .274/.353/.415

Royals #4- .254/.319/.433

 

DeJesus- 172 times on base

Pierre- 221 times on base

 

KC has a much better AVG with RISP than the Cubs, but we are talking about a difference of 200 plate appearances between these two and only a difference of 50 times on base. DeJesus has lapped Pierre in 200 less plate appearances. OBP factors in quite a bit.

 

DeJesus doesn't steal bases for the most part. DeJesus is a much better option to lead off because of his better OBP.

 

I'll stick by my guns that I'd rather the Cubs gave Alex Sanchez a 1 year contract than give anything above what Alex Sanchez would make in a season (less than 1m?) to Juan Pierre.

 

This team needs to go out and get guys at the top of the order that can get on base. And it wouldn't really cost that much. How much would it cost to sign Lugo and Loretta?

 

Vast OBP improvement at the top of the order will help improve run production from the "meat" of the order.

[ChiCubsFan]

Pierre's production this season (second consecutive year below career average) is basically the same as Scott Podsednik, despite getting 150 more at-bats.

 

Pierre - 658 at bats, .288 avg, .328 OBP, 80 runs scored, 45 extra base hits, +34 stolen bases/caught stealing, terrible defensively

 

Pods - 502 at bats, .261 avg, .333 OBP, 84 runs scored, 35 extra base hits, +22 stolen bases/caught stealing, bad enough defensive that Macoviac plays center

 

It's fairly well-known that the White Sox are looking to replace Podsednik in the off-season while the Cubs are probably going to offer Pierre something in the 3 years, $18 to $21 million range. Is this the difference between the two franchises? One continually looking for ways to improve, while the other content to settle for medicrity (at best).

 

It seems to me that the Cubs are ready to continue their philosophy of overpaying for mediocrity into the '07 season...and it makes me sick to my stomach to follow this team.

 

It's pretty hard to compare something like runs scored when Posednik plays for a team with an outstanding offense (with a DH) and Pierre plays for a team with a pitiful offense. Put Konerko, Thome, and Dye in the Cubs' lineup and Pierre would have more runs scored. Also, there has been talk of going after Soriano for CF.

 

I wasn't comparing Pierre and Podsednik to see who has had a better season. I just was trying to give a basis for comparison to show how mediocre Pierre has been this year and show that despite this very ordinary season, the Cubs are willing to offer him a multi-year deal.

 

Couldn't Matt Murton equal these numbers in the leadoff slot at a fraction of the cost?

 

I think Murton could far exceed those numbers, while many times cheaper. Here is the comparison, and this is Murton's first full year:

 

AVG (Pierre's strongest stat): Murton +.011

OBP: Murton +.034

SLG: Murton +.061

 

And in 235 less at bats, Murton has 10 more home runs, 23 more RBI's, and only 18 less runs scored. Put Murton at leadoff or the 2 spot for a whole season and he will dominate Pierre's stats while making like 20 times less.

 

But he doesn't have the speed to steal bases :roll:

[Mizzou]

Hendry is going to try and resign Pierre. I just really hope that JP gets a better offer from some other team. I don't want to see him here for the next 3+ years.

[VanceJergins]

Pierre's production this season (second consecutive year below career average) is basically the same as Scott Podsednik, despite getting 150 more at-bats.

 

Pierre - 658 at bats, .288 avg, .328 OBP, 80 runs scored, 45 extra base hits, +34 stolen bases/caught stealing, terrible defensively

 

Pods - 502 at bats, .261 avg, .333 OBP, 84 runs scored, 35 extra base hits, +22 stolen bases/caught stealing, bad enough defensive that Macoviac plays center

 

It's fairly well-known that the White Sox are looking to replace Podsednik in the off-season while the Cubs are probably going to offer Pierre something in the 3 years, $18 to $21 million range. Is this the difference between the two franchises? One continually looking for ways to improve, while the other content to settle for medicrity (at best).

 

It seems to me that the Cubs are ready to continue their philosophy of overpaying for mediocrity into the '07 season...and it makes me sick to my stomach to follow this team.

 

It's pretty hard to compare something like runs scored when Posednik plays for a team with an outstanding offense (with a DH) and Pierre plays for a team with a pitiful offense. Put Konerko, Thome, and Dye in the Cubs' lineup and Pierre would have more runs scored. Also, there has been talk of going after Soriano for CF.

 

I wasn't comparing Pierre and Podsednik to see who has had a better season. I just was trying to give a basis for comparison to show how mediocre Pierre has been this year and show that despite this very ordinary season, the Cubs are willing to offer him a multi-year deal.

 

Couldn't Matt Murton equal these numbers in the leadoff slot at a fraction of the cost?

 

I think Murton could far exceed those numbers, while many times cheaper. Here is the comparison, and this is Murton's first full year:

 

AVG (Pierre's strongest stat): Murton +.011

OBP: Murton +.034

SLG: Murton +.061

 

And in 235 less at bats, Murton has 10 more home runs, 23 more RBI's, and only 18 less runs scored. Put Murton at leadoff or the 2 spot for a whole season and he will dominate Pierre's stats while making like 20 times less.

 

But he doesn't have the speed to steal bases :roll:

 

Touche.....Disregard everything I said, Pierre must be the better leadoff hitter :cry: <---- How it makes me feel that Hendry really believes that.

[Soriano12]

Pierre will be signed. Bet on it.

 

I already have bought his jersey in anticapation of 2007

 

 

 

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5259/pierrext6.jpg

[YearofDaCubs]

If he doesn't sign Pierre, he'll probably go after someone like Torii Hunter.

 

vomit

 

The Cubs are on the list of teams Hunter counldnt be traded to, so it seems unlikely that he'd want to sign here as a FA.....at least I hope.

Hunter went on record stating that he would play for the Cubs.

[SouthSideRyan]

His no trade clause was because of the brick wall in the OF.

 

And as I once again feel the need to point out from the original post. Pierre is not awful defensively. He just has a horrible arm.

[Backtobanks]

Pierre will be signed. Bet on it.

 

I already have bought his jersey in anticapation of 2007

 

 

 

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/5259/pierrext6.jpg

 

I think Hendry will make Pierre an offer, but I think he will get better offers elsewhere. Whether Pierre takes the Cubs lower offer will be up to him, but I wouldn't be surprized if Hendry is thinking of CF as a place to get some power (Soriano or Andruw Jones) to make up for the lower power numbers in LF, SS, and 2B.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm really hoping Hendry has his sights set on trading for Andruw Jones.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Pierre = offensive black hole

[Neuby]

CF has to be a place where Hendry can upgrade this offseason. I am in favor of Soranio, Lofton,Roberts,Cameron, Matthews Jr in center field over Pierre. Pierre doesn't get a good read on balls in the outfield and his arm is terrible. All these other options will more than likely cost less than Pierre expect Soranio and provide large upgrades.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Play Pie.

[A New Era]

I'd rather Hendry save the $7-$8 mil and just play Pie. He's ready enough to hit 7 or 8 no doubt.

 

With that $7-$8 mil you can pay for part of Soriano's salary or one of your big name starters you might sign. And who's more valuable to the Cubs. Soriano or Pierre?

[VanceJergins]

If he doesn't sign Pierre, he'll probably go after someone like Torii Hunter.

 

vomit

 

The Cubs are on the list of teams Hunter counldnt be traded to, so it seems unlikely that he'd want to sign here as a FA.....at least I hope.

Hunter went on record stating that he would play for the Cubs.

 

Hopefully he was joking. But i do remember reading something about that now. I dont think he'd be awful, there are just a lot of better options, or options that are equal production wise but much cheaper.

 

But I'm with the other/original Vance in hoping that Hendry goes after Andruw Jones...I think that'd be my first choice.

[CuseCubFan69]

Play Pie.

 

But that's my Pie!