Are the Cubs really going to consider resigning Pierre?

[frostwyrm]

''I'm still sitting down with my agent and seeing what is best for me. As a player, you play six years to call your shot for one time. This is probably the peak of my career and this will be my only chance as far as my age and things like that where I will be in a position like this. So I am definitely weighing my options to see what is best for me.''

 

The above quote makes it clear that Pierre views this as the payday he's been working for all his life, most likely the biggest payday he'll ever see, so we can forget about any significant discount for the Cubs.

[CuseCubFan69]

''I'm still sitting down with my agent and seeing what is best for me. As a player, you play six years to call your shot for one time. This is probably the peak of my career and this will be my only chance as far as my age and things like that where I will be in a position like this. So I am definitely weighing my options to see what is best for me.''

 

The above quote makes it clear that Pierre views this as the payday he's been working for all his life, most likely the biggest payday he'll ever see, so we can forget about any significant discount for the Cubs.

 

No doubt about it, it's his last chance for big bucks and if I were him I'd go after a 4 year deal. I just hope Hendry doesn't bite.

[Rob]

 

Holding on to him was quite possibly the worst mistake Hendry made this season.

 

No, it wasn't as bad as trading for him in the first place. He wasn't going to get as much as he gave up. Plus, trading for him for pretty much determined, in advance, that the outfield would not be productive this year.

 

I meant in-season.

 

If we look at his offseasons, we could be here all night. But in-season, there was only so much that could be done. Not getting a significant prospect haul for Pierre or not firing Dusty is about the worst I can think of.

[goonys evil twin]

 

Holding on to him was quite possibly the worst mistake Hendry made this season.

 

No, it wasn't as bad as trading for him in the first place. He wasn't going to get as much as he gave up. Plus, trading for him for pretty much determined, in advance, that the outfield would not be productive this year.

 

I meant in-season.

 

If we look at his offseasons, we could be here all night. But in-season, there was only so much that could be done. Not getting a significant prospect haul for Pierre or not firing Dusty is about the worst I can think of.

 

I have a really hard time slicing up time frames like that. It's not like Jim came into a bad situation that somebody else created. And every previous moves affects later moves. It doesn't really matter to me whether it was the worst move of this season, or the spring, or last winter, or last year.

 

If you want to talk about the worst in-season mistake made by the Cubs, it was Andy signing Jim to an extension in early April. What was the point of that? If you are going to wait to sign a guy so you can see what the team looks like, why not wait until at least the ASB to get a good idea. You're a baseball idiot if you make such an important decision based on 2 weeks of games.

 

Not trading Pierre was a mistake by Hendry, but I think it pales in comparison to keeping the coaching staff constant all year, and thus delaying the overhaul.

[Rob]

I have a really hard time slicing up time frames like that. It's not like Jim came into a bad situation that somebody else created. And every previous moves affects later moves. It doesn't really matter to me whether it was the worst move of this season, or the spring, or last winter, or last year.

 

I have no choice but to slice it up. To look at all of his mistakes simultaneously might give me a stroke.

 

If you want to talk about the worst in-season mistake made by the Cubs, it was Andy signing Jim to an extension in early April. What was the point of that? If you are going to wait to sign a guy so you can see what the team looks like, why not wait until at least the ASB to get a good idea. You're a baseball idiot if you make such an important decision based on 2 weeks of games.

 

Not trading Pierre was a mistake by Hendry, but I think it pales in comparison to keeping the coaching staff constant all year, and thus delaying the overhaul.

 

Perhaps you are right, but I'm still inclined to think about the system as a whole. This team wasn't going to the series this year irregardless.... the prospects from a Pierre deal might have helped get us to the series in a few years.

[Lefty]

Murton gets on base more than Pierre and is a better option to hit at the op of the order. It can't really be explained much more clear than this. Guys who get on base more often score more often.

 

But Pierre is so much faster than Murton?

[Banedon]

South Side shift?

Sep 26 - Cubs leadoff hitter and free-agent-to-be Juan Pierre may be tempted to join the White Sox because of his relationship with manager Ozzie Guillen, the Chicago Sun-Times reports.

"Yeah, I love Ozzie, Pierre told the newspaper. "... Just knowing him and being around him for so long, and winning the World Series with him [with the Marlins in 2003], yeah, I definitely wouldn't mind playing for Ozzie."

[Wheelimus]

Go Sox! :lol:

[MustangMike]

I have to read this whole post because I don't understand why everyone hates Juan Pierre on this team....maybe that'll help. I see so many holes on this team, and Pierre ain't one of them.

 

Yes he is.

 

The Cubs single great offensive weakness is the lack of OBP, and that ties to an unwillingness to take walks.

 

In other words, the Cubs aren't good offensively because they make outs too frequently. And Pierre is part of that very large problem.

 

Hit totals don't mean anything.

 

I'm on board with the OBP, I really am. I just don't see how "hits don't mean anything". Isn't getting on base via a hit contribute to the OBP? I think the fact that he gets so many hits is a very good thing in itself...but you are right on the fact that he doesn't walk enough.

I still don't think he's a major problem though, i'd be more worried about other positions. And letting him go makes that trade even worse than before...doesn't that count?

[goonys evil twin]

I have to read this whole post because I don't understand why everyone hates Juan Pierre on this team....maybe that'll help. I see so many holes on this team, and Pierre ain't one of them.

 

Yes he is.

 

The Cubs single great offensive weakness is the lack of OBP, and that ties to an unwillingness to take walks.

 

In other words, the Cubs aren't good offensively because they make outs too frequently. And Pierre is part of that very large problem.

 

Hit totals don't mean anything.

 

I'm on board with the OBP, I really am. I just don't see how "hits don't mean anything". Isn't getting on base via a hit contribute to the OBP? I think the fact that he gets so many hits is a very good thing in itself...but you are right on the fact that he doesn't walk enough.

I still don't think he's a major problem though, i'd be more worried about other positions. And letting him go makes that trade even worse than before...doesn't that count?

 

I didn't say hits don't mean anything. I said hit totals don't mean anything.

 

People wet their pants when they hear 200 hits, or led the league in hits. Well, when you bat first everyday and never walk, it's really not that hard to lead the league in hits with more than 200. The total means nothing. Pierre's lack of OBP outweighs everything else, as it's the most important stat, and one he's really bad at.

[Banedon]

And letting him go makes that trade even worse than before...doesn't that count?

 

Absolutely not. The trade was a mistake. Re-signing him would be another one. Two wrongs don't make a right here.

[circlecitycub]

I have to read this whole post because I don't understand why everyone hates Juan Pierre on this team....maybe that'll help. I see so many holes on this team, and Pierre ain't one of them.

 

Yes he is.

 

The Cubs single great offensive weakness is the lack of OBP, and that ties to an unwillingness to take walks.

 

In other words, the Cubs aren't good offensively because they make outs too frequently. And Pierre is part of that very large problem.

 

Hit totals don't mean anything.

 

I'm on board with the OBP, I really am. I just don't see how "hits don't mean anything". Isn't getting on base via a hit contribute to the OBP? I think the fact that he gets so many hits is a very good thing in itself...but you are right on the fact that he doesn't walk enough.

I still don't think he's a major problem though, i'd be more worried about other positions. And letting him go makes that trade even worse than before...doesn't that count?

 

I didn't say hits don't mean anything. I said hit totals don't mean anything.

 

People wet their pants when they hear 200 hits, or led the league in hits. Well, when you bat first everyday and never walk, it's really not that hard to lead the league in hits with more than 200. The total means nothing. Pierre's lack of OBP outweighs everything else, as it's the most important stat, and one he's really bad at.

 

I think Corey Patterson would beg to differ.

[MustangMike]

I didn't say hits don't mean anything. I said hit totals don't mean anything.

 

People wet their pants when they hear 200 hits, or led the league in hits. Well, when you bat first everyday and never walk, it's really not that hard to lead the league in hits with more than 200. The total means nothing. Pierre's lack of OBP outweighs everything else, as it's the most important stat, and one he's really bad at.

 

Sorry, misread that, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I was just trying to say that his 200 hits have contributed to his obp. I guess my point is what is the cutoff for an acceptable OBP? Say Pierre did what he did in the 2nd half (.353 I think), is that ok? I'm just trying to understand people's cutoff and if its the number itself or HOW they get to that number...be it via hits and no walks or mainly hits.

[goonys evil twin]

I didn't say hits don't mean anything. I said hit totals don't mean anything.

 

People wet their pants when they hear 200 hits, or led the league in hits. Well, when you bat first everyday and never walk, it's really not that hard to lead the league in hits with more than 200. The total means nothing. Pierre's lack of OBP outweighs everything else, as it's the most important stat, and one he's really bad at.

 

Sorry, misread that, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I was just trying to say that his 200 hits have contributed to his obp. I guess my point is what is the cutoff for an acceptable OBP? Say Pierre did what he did in the 2nd half (.353 I think), is that ok? I'm just trying to understand people's cutoff and if its the number itself or HOW they get to that number...be it via hits and no walks or mainly hits.

 

If you have absolutely no power (low SLG), you better have a respectable OBP. It's hard to come up with a cutoff, but it's not hard to say a line of .291/.330/.390 is pretty weak and hardly something you want to invest large longterm dollars, and play everyday atop the lineup.

[goonys evil twin]

I think Corey Patterson would beg to differ.

 

He didn't leadoff everyday.

[Backtobanks]

No matter what anyone thinks of Juan Pierre, he just isn't worth re-signing at the amount he is going to ask for. $7-8 million per year for 3 years for Pierre is ridiculous.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

No matter what anyone thinks of Juan Pierre, he just isn't worth re-signing at the amount he is going to ask for. $7-8 million per year for 3 years for Pierre is ridiculous.

 

I agree. If I could have Pierre for 3 million a season, he might be an "ok" option. I would hope we could do better, but at that price, he'd be useful. We would still need major upgrades at other positions, but we'd have less dollars tied up in an average player with a limited skill set.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Why waste the time even lamenting this? The franchise is doomed as long as Hendry is there, everyone KNOWS he'll sign Pierre to a ridiculous deal, it's guaranteed.

 

No. Hope. Whatsoever.

[CuseCubFan69]

Why waste the time even lamenting this? The franchise is doomed as long as Hendry is there, everyone KNOWS he'll sign Pierre to a ridiculous deal, it's guaranteed.

 

No. Hope. Whatsoever.

 

Ok Captain Kirk!

:titanic:

 

I think you should sign all the major players that helped you lose 90+ games just to prove it was a fluke season.

 

I'd like to have Nolesco and Pinto back and trade them and others for an impact bat or starter, man I wish Hendry have some vision and imagination.

[soccer10k]

Does anybody know how many infield hits Pierre has this year?

[C.C.]

Why waste the time even lamenting this? The franchise is doomed as long as Hendry is there, everyone KNOWS he'll sign Pierre to a ridiculous deal, it's guaranteed.

 

No. Hope. Whatsoever.

 

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think Juan really wants to stay. Espically since Baker is gone.

[CuseCubFan69]

Why waste the time even lamenting this? The franchise is doomed as long as Hendry is there, everyone KNOWS he'll sign Pierre to a ridiculous deal, it's guaranteed.

 

No. Hope. Whatsoever.

 

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think Juan really wants to stay. Espically since Baker is gone.

 

That may prompt Hendry to overbid though and that worries me.

[C.C.]

Why waste the time even lamenting this? The franchise is doomed as long as Hendry is there, everyone KNOWS he'll sign Pierre to a ridiculous deal, it's guaranteed.

 

No. Hope. Whatsoever.

 

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think Juan really wants to stay. Espically since Baker is gone.

 

That may prompt Hendry to overbid though and that worries me.

 

C'mon! When was the last time the Cubs out-bidded anyone!

[RichHillIsABeast]

Why waste the time even lamenting this? The franchise is doomed as long as Hendry is there, everyone KNOWS he'll sign Pierre to a ridiculous deal, it's guaranteed.

 

No. Hope. Whatsoever.

 

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think Juan really wants to stay. Espically since Baker is gone.

 

That may prompt Hendry to overbid though and that worries me.

 

C'mon! When was the last time the Cubs out-bidded anyone!

 

Neifi, Rusch, Jones, Howry, Eyre, Dempster...the list is long and lamentable.

[Banedon]

Why waste the time even lamenting this? The franchise is doomed as long as Hendry is there, everyone KNOWS he'll sign Pierre to a ridiculous deal, it's guaranteed.

 

No. Hope. Whatsoever.

 

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think Juan really wants to stay. Espically since Baker is gone.

 

That may prompt Hendry to overbid though and that worries me.

 

C'mon! When was the last time the Cubs out-bidded anyone!

 

Neifi, Rusch, Jones, Howry, Eyre, Dempster...the list is long and lamentable.

 

Jeff Blauser!