Dunn Talk in Cincinnati

[danonwaveland]

Paul Daugherty in the "Cincinnati Enquirer" called Adam Dunn "a DH playing left field" and said he "seem(s) to be in need of hammocks and soft breezes." He also said that the Reds need a closer and a legitimate outfielder.

 

Given all the chatter a couple months ago about picking up Dunn, is there still interest in picking him up in the offseason for, say, Dempster and Jones or Murton?

 

His stats from the Reds' site:

A Dunn 144G / 512AB / 94R / 123H / 21 2b / 0 3b / 40HR / 91RBI / 264TB / 102BB / 175SO / 6SB / 0CS / .371OBP / .516SLG / .240AVG

[Outshined_One]

The mediots in Cincy seem to have it in for him. Reds fans are pretty evenly divided on Dunn; half of them think he's the best player on the team who will be an offensive force for years, the other half of them think he's an unmotivated, lazy, strikes out too much, and needs to get his BA to a respectable point.

 

Personally, I'd commit all sorts of crimes if it meant getting Dunn in LF. He'd be a gold glover compared to Moises Alou and Glenallen Hill.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm on record that I'd love to acquire Dunn. If the Reds want to move him, I'd be more than willing to accomodate them.

 

I'd gladly do Murton + Dempster for Dunn if the Reds would, and I like Murton, but Dunn's production greatly eclipses Murton's.

 

I'd love to trade Jones + Dempster for Dunn, but that leaves Murton without a position and the Cubs would still have to acquire a RF.

 

My guess is Murton would be included in any deal. Murton + Marmol and a lower prospect may also be workable.

 

It's possible the Reds wouldn't want Murton and would like Pie. I'd do a deal with Pie + Dempster as well, but in such a deal Murton would likely have to be shopped in another deal.

 

Adding Dunn to the heart of the order with Lee, Ramirez, and Barrett would greatly improve the Cubs' run production.

[Abe Frohman]

I'd rather go after Andruw Jones

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd rather go after Andruw Jones

 

Andruw likely fits the needs of this team better, but Andruw is a 10/5 player, so that would complicate things a little more.

[Guest]

I'd rather go after Andruw Jones

 

Andruw likely fits the needs of this team better, but Andruw is a 10/5 player, so that would complicate things a little more.

 

I disagree. The cubs desperately need obp and left handed power. they can find someone else to play CF.

[Sammy Sofa]

Dunn, please.

 

Try Dempster or Howry and somehow magically sell Pagan and Jones as a platoon team.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd rather go after Andruw Jones

 

Andruw likely fits the needs of this team better, but Andruw is a 10/5 player, so that would complicate things a little more.

 

I disagree. The cubs desperately need obp and left handed power. they can find someone else to play CF.

 

Why not get both? :D

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd rather go after Andruw Jones

 

Andruw likely fits the needs of this team better, but Andruw is a 10/5 player, so that would complicate things a little more.

 

I disagree. The cubs desperately need obp and left handed power. they can find someone else to play CF.

 

Well, I'd prefer Dunn. I just like him as a player.

 

The reason I said Jones fits a need better is that he would provide power and fill a vacancy in the line-up. While Dunn is a major improvement over Murton, I'd say Jones + Murton + Jones > Jones + Pierre + Dunn. Either would look nice, and Hendry shouldn't become fixated on just one, but pursue all options.

[CubinNY]

Why can't Murton play RF? However, if it the Dunn trade invoved Murton I'd volunteer to help him pack his bags.

 

I'd trade Hill + Patterson for him.

 

I think the Reds would be looking of inexpensive pitching help. Would anyone trade Gallagher plus some other young pitching for hime? I would. Would Hendry?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

To get Dunn, Hendry should be willing to include any one of our minor leaguers. It doesn't matter if it is Paweleck, Gallagher, Veal, Pie or anyone else.

 

It's going to take a package to get him. My guess is the Reds would want 1-2 major league players (Murton + Dempter or Murton + Marshall) or they would want a package of one major leaguer, one near ready prospect, and one high ceiling prospect (Dempster + Marmol + Veal). I doubt they would want a package built entirely around prospects.

[CuseCubFan69]

To get Dunn, Hendry should be willing to include any one of our minor leaguers. It doesn't matter if it is Paweleck, Gallagher, Veal, Pie or anyone else.

 

It's going to take a package to get him. My guess is the Reds would want 1-2 major league players (Murton + Dempter or Murton + Marshall) or they would want a package of one major leaguer, one near ready prospect, and one high ceiling prospect (Dempster + Marmol + Veal). I doubt they would want a package built entirely around prospects.

 

Maybe they can find a 3 way to relieve the damage?

[Sammy Sofa]

To get Dunn, Hendry should be willing to include any one of our minor leaguers. It doesn't matter if it is Paweleck, Gallagher, Veal, Pie or anyone else.

 

It's going to take a package to get him. My guess is the Reds would want 1-2 major league players (Murton + Dempter or Murton + Marshall) or they would want a package of one major leaguer, one near ready prospect, and one high ceiling prospect (Dempster + Marmol + Veal). I doubt they would want a package built entirely around prospects.

 

I would do any one of those deals to get Dunn so fast I'd set the Earth spinning backwards to a point where the Cubs WOULDN'T have Dunn, and I would be sad again.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Shame on all who badmouth Glenallen Hill. :evil:

 

Dunn in LF, Murton in RF, Someone who can cover a whole lot of ground as well as get on base a lot in CF, Soriano at 2B, Tejada at SS, some healthy pitchers, and we're set.

[CubColtPacer]

Shame on all who badmouth Glenallen Hill. :evil:

 

Dunn in LF, Murton in RF, Someone who can cover a whole lot of ground as well as get on base a lot in CF, Soriano at 2B, Tejada at SS, some healthy pitchers, and we're set.

 

Yup-we're set-we'd be the Yankees.

[NorthsideAvenger]

First: I personally see Adam Dunn going to the AL IF he is traded. A perfect trade would be Adam Dunn to Anaheim for Scot Shields/Joe Saunders/Brandon Wood (or something like that). And I most assuredly believe the Reds WILL NOT trade Dunn to a divisional rival. That fact seems to be unheard on the discussion is quite unbelievable.

 

Second: I rather have Murton in LF, and go after a LEGIT ALL-AROUND OFer, like an AJones (if he's convince ATL ain't competing for the next few yrs), or maybe, just maybe TRY to get Miguel Cabrera.

 

Third: Dunn, whilst he has major power that "chicks love", the fact is he is still limited offensively. It's either a HR, Walk, or strikeout. I understand a strikeout is sometimes better then putting the ball in play, but sometimes he needs to give up on trying to hit a homerun and become a more consistant hitter.

 

If the Cubs didn't have Derrek Lee at 1st, then getting Dunn for 1st base would be an interesting idea, but Dunn in the OF....uh..........

NO THANK YOU.

Edited September 16, 2006 by NorthsideAvenger

[Outshined_One]

It'll take a heck of a lot to get Dunn, even if the Reds are unhappy with him for whatever reason. He's one of the premier offensive players in baseball today who would instantly make this offense a heck of a lot better.

 

I'd expect the Reds would at least ask for more than just Murton and Dempster. I'd expect them to ask for something like Pie, Patterson, Marshall, and Eyre at the very least in exchange for Dunn.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

First: I personally see Adam Dunn going to the AL IF he is traded. A perfect trade would be Adam Dunn to Anaheim for Scot Shields/Joe Saunders/Brandon Wood (or something like that). And I most assuredly believe the Reds trade Dunn to a divisional rival. That fact seems to be unheard on the discussion is quite unbelievable.

 

Second: I rather have Murton in LF, and go after a LEGIT ALL-AROUND OFer, like an AJones (if he's convince ATL ain't competing for the next few yrs), or maybe, just maybe TRY to get Miguel Cabrera.

 

Third: Dunn, whilst he has major power that "chicks love", the fact is he is still limited offensively. It's either a HR, Walk, or strikeout. I understand a strikeout is sometimes better then putting the ball in play, but sometimes he needs to give up on trying to hit a homerun and become a more consistant hitter.

 

If the Cubs didn't have Derrek Lee at 1st, then getting Dunn for 1st base would be an interesting idea, but Dunn in the OF....uh..........

NO THANK YOU.

You're my hero.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Third: Dunn, whilst he has major power that "chicks love", the fact is he is still limited offensively. It's either a HR, Walk, or strikeout. I understand a strikeout is sometimes better then putting the ball in play, but sometimes he needs to give up on trying to hit a homerun and become a more consistant hitter.

 

No, no, no, no, no, no. Just because Dunn is a Three True Outcomes hitter doesn't mean he needs to change. He is an extremely valuable hitter, and most likely any effort to try and change him will diminish that value.

 

 

If the Cubs didn't have Derrek Lee at 1st, then getting Dunn for 1st base would be an interesting idea, but Dunn in the OF....uh..........

NO THANK YOU.

 

Anti-web gems aside, Dunn isn't an abomination in LF. Considering LF is at the bottom of the defensive spectrum, and the Cubs already have a pretty solid defense compared to an abysmal offense, that shouldn't be a deterrent to going after him.

[CP_414]

I would give up a lot to get Dunn, but I doubt Hendry would. He just doesn't seem to be the type of player this organization values. His average is low, walks are high, power is high, defense is poor. If Dunn is trade bait a much smarter GM than Hendry will acquire him.

 

If it were me I would offer the Reds Howry, Jones, and Marshall for Dunn. I think Murton can pay RF. Then significantly upgrade the rotation and 2b, get a stopgap until Pie in center.

[Sammy Sofa]

I would give up a lot to get Dunn, but I doubt Hendry would. He just doesn't seem to be the type of player this organization values. His average is low, walks are high, power is high, defense is poor. If Dunn is trade bait a much smarter GM than Hendry will acquire him.

 

If it were me I would offer the Reds Howry, Jones, and Marshall for Dunn. I think Murton can pay RF. Then significantly upgrade the rotation and 2b, get a stopgap until Pie in center.

 

Shoot, if they can get Dunn, Murton keeps going along like he has and they snag someone like Soriano, I'll take freakin' Pagan in CF until Pie comes up.

[Backtobanks]

I'm not a big Dunn fan, but I would certainly take him if the price was right. Jones & Dempster would be fine, but adding much more than that is more than he's worth. I am totally against trading Murton unless Cabrera is the target.

[A New Era]

Paul Daugherty in the "Cincinnati Enquirer" called Adam Dunn "a DH playing left field" and said he "seem(s) to be in need of hammocks and soft breezes." He also said that the Reds need a closer and a legitimate outfielder.

 

Given all the chatter a couple months ago about picking up Dunn, is there still interest in picking him up in the offseason for, say, Dempster and Jones or Murton?

 

His stats from the Reds' site:

A Dunn 144G / 512AB / 94R / 123H / 21 2b / 0 3b / 40HR / 91RBI / 264TB / 102BB / 175SO / 6SB / 0CS / .371OBP / .516SLG / .240AVG

 

Why get rid of Murton who is progressing quite nicely in power and OBP and could realistically put up a .360 OBP next year and "possibly" a .370 OBP next year. And hit 10-20 HR for $450k and replace him who admitedly hits alot of HR but has about the same OBP or only slightly better than Murton. It's not a huge upgrade besides power. I'd rather upgrade positions which are really weak, like RF, CF, 2B, or SS.

[Sammy Sofa]

Paul Daugherty in the "Cincinnati Enquirer" called Adam Dunn "a DH playing left field" and said he "seem(s) to be in need of hammocks and soft breezes." He also said that the Reds need a closer and a legitimate outfielder.

 

Given all the chatter a couple months ago about picking up Dunn, is there still interest in picking him up in the offseason for, say, Dempster and Jones or Murton?

 

His stats from the Reds' site:

A Dunn 144G / 512AB / 94R / 123H / 21 2b / 0 3b / 40HR / 91RBI / 264TB / 102BB / 175SO / 6SB / 0CS / .371OBP / .516SLG / .240AVG

 

Why get rid of Murton who is progressing quite nicely in power and OBP and could realistically put up a .360 OBP next year and "possibly" a .370 OBP next year. And hit 10-20 HR for $450k and replace him who admitedly hits alot of HR but has about the same OBP or only slightly better than Murton. It's not a huge upgrade besides power. I'd rather upgrade positions which are really weak, like RF, CF, 2B, or SS.

 

If he's getting on base at almost the same clip or more AND hitting for a ton more power, what exactly is the argument for not wanting Dunn over Murton again? I honestly don't see a downside.

[RockTheIvy]

Outside of his defensive issues, Dunn helps out in almost every offensive category. If Jones could play CF, we could have a lineup of

 

Murton

Barrett

Lee

Dunn

Ramirez

Jones

Izturis

2B Guy

 

That's a pretty solid 1-6. And if we could nab someone like Loretta for 2nd, and bat him leadoff, well then we would have a pretty sweet offense that could get on base.

 

The past two years now we've been talking about Dunn. Please god make this the year that we get him.