2008 presidential election

[CaliforniaRaisin]

David Palmer, plz.

 

Bring him back to life.

[Jazz]

David Palmer, plz.

 

Bring him back to life.

 

best answer I've heard so far.

[rocket]

i bet after ken blackwell wins the governor race in ohio and serves he'll become the first black president

[OleMissCub]

Who the hell is Mark Warner?

 

Your next President. Young, attractive, moderate, Virginia governor. He's a virtual unknown and isn't a Washington insider, which is why he will win. Seems to be the only way a Democrat can get in office in the last three decades.

 

1990= "Who the hell is Bill Clinton?"

 

1974= "Who the hell is Jimmy Carter?"

 

If I were the type that would vote for either of the major parties in a Pres. election, I'd definitely vote for Warner.

[wolf stansson]

I don't know about 2008, but I say Barck Obama in 2012.

If a Republican is elected in '08, this is a lock.

[Big Fergie J]

Only thing I really believe is that Condy Rice has a far greater chance of being the 1st woman president than Hillary.

 

McCain would be a lock if he wasn't so old. GOP cannot afford to have McCain as the candidate or they will suffer the same fate as when George Sr. ran vs. Clinton. The populace does not relate to a Jimmy Stewart-type figure in the White House like they did in the 80's with Reagan.

[USSoccer]

Only thing I really believe is that Condy Rice has a far greater chance of being the 1st woman president than Hillary.

 

McCain would be a lock if he wasn't so old. GOP cannot afford to have McCain as the candidate or they will suffer the same fate as when George Sr. ran vs. Clinton. The populace does not relate to a Jimmy Stewart-type figure in the White House like they did in the 80's with Reagan.

 

I don't think Condi or Hilary stands a chance, but it would more likely be Hilary. Condi has zero electability. She's as hated by Dems as Hilary is by the right, only add in the fact that she's also not exactly the best speaker on the planet, and you have an unelectable candidate.

 

The next POTUS is Mark Warner.

[SouthSideRyan]

Only thing I really believe is that Condy Rice has a far greater chance of being the 1st woman president than Hillary.

 

McCain would be a lock if he wasn't so old. GOP cannot afford to have McCain as the candidate or they will suffer the same fate as when George Sr. ran vs. Clinton. The populace does not relate to a Jimmy Stewart-type figure in the White House like they did in the 80's with Reagan.

 

I don't think McCain is viewed as anything like George Sr. or Reagan. Just cause he's old doesn't mean people can't relate to him. It's his ideas, not his looks.

 

And there's no way the first woman president is black.

[OleMissCub]

I don't think Condi or Hilary stands a chance, but it would more likely be Hilary. Condi has zero electability. She's as hated by Dems as Hilary is by the right, only add in the fact that she's also not exactly the best speaker on the planet, and you have an unelectable candidate.

 

I think you are forgetting that Hillary is hated by some Dems almost as much as the right hates her. I don't think Condi faces that dilemma from within her own party like Hillary does. That said, neither will ever be president.

 

The next POTUS is Mark Warner.

 

Agreed.

[USSoccer]

I don't think Condi or Hilary stands a chance, but it would more likely be Hilary. Condi has zero electability. She's as hated by Dems as Hilary is by the right, only add in the fact that she's also not exactly the best speaker on the planet, and you have an unelectable candidate.

 

I think you are forgetting that Hillary is hated by some Dems almost as much as the right hates her. I don't think Condi faces that dilemma from within her own party like Hillary does. That said, neither will ever be president.

 

The next POTUS is Mark Warner.

 

Agreed.

 

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

[OleMissCub]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

That same section of the GOP is probably the same section that hated every fiber of the Clintons, so who knows. Who would be the lesser of two evils to them?

[USSoccer]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

That same section of the GOP is probably the same section that hated every fiber of the Clintons, so who knows. Who would be the lesser of two evils to them?

 

Pat Buchanan. :P

 

That would be an interesting election. I could see turnout being super low, or super high, depending on the rhetoric.

 

One thing I think Clinton's supporters need to keep in mind is that people's biases don't always show up in polls. People will go to great lengths to hide their prejudices in poling interviews, but inside the ballot box they will have no reservations.

[Derwood]

i bet after ken blackwell wins the governor race in ohio and serves he'll become the first black president

 

Oh Jeebus no! He makes Bush look like a bleeding-heart liberal hippie in comparison. Blackwell is evil to the core. He even scares some GOP members with how conservative he is. A black candidate for governor who wants to abolish welfare? An ordained pastor who would close the already narrow gap between church and state? Never mind that he completely rigged the Ohio election results in 2004.

 

Personally, I don't think the country is ready to elect a woman president yet. Despite the criticisms of Bush (and he's getting them from most everybody these days), I think that even some democrats wouldn't want to put a woman in the Oval Office during war time. I'm not saying it's right, just a hunch. Sen. Clinton has WAY too many skeletons in her closet, and though the GOP has already brought most to the public already (Whitewater, etc.) they would launch a smear campaign of historic proportions against her if she got on the ticket. I really hope the Democrats are smart enough not to go that route.

[dew1679666265]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

That same section of the GOP is probably the same section that hated every fiber of the Clintons, so who knows. Who would be the lesser of two evils to them?

 

Personally, I think the Dems will fall all over themselves to nominate Hillary just sure that she'll bring back the Clinton Glory Days of the '90s. I don't think she has a shot in the generals though because she doesn't have the same speaking ability her husband has. She's not nearly as convincing as Bill and thus will have difficulty convincing enough Americans that she cares.

Ultimately, I'm afraid if she runs, the media will spin it that anybody that votes against her is anti-woman in power and not simply against Hillary's views. Hopefully not, but the newsmedia hasn't inspired much hope in me lately.

 

Edit: I went with McCain in the poll even though I am 100% against him ever getting elected. I'm afraid he's the biggest name, though, and if he can get past the primaries (which is going to be very difficult) he's likely to get elected.

[biittner77]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

What Conservatives want in order of importance

 

fiscal responsibility

strong on national defense

someone that can win

 

end of list

 

There might be a tiny section of the GOP that wouldn't embrace an African American female candidate.

 

The same is also true for the DNC

[Derwood]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

What Conservatives want in order of importance

 

fiscal responsibility

strong on national defense

someone that can win

 

end of list

 

There might be a tiny section of the GOP that wouldn't embrace an African American female candidate.

 

The same is also true for the DNC

 

by the first criteria, Bush has been a nightmare, eh?

[CubinNY]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

What Conservatives want in order of importance

 

fiscal responsibility

strong on national defense

someone that can win

 

end of list

 

There might be a tiny section of the GOP that wouldn't embrace an African American female candidate.

 

The same is also true for the DNC

 

If by tiny you mean the "Christian" Coalition or Family "Research" Council A.K.A., Bush's base you might be right.

 

http://www.frc.org/. The only difference between these people and the kkk is the sheet.

[WrigleyField 22]

I just recieved the assignment for my next English paper: Defend Hilary Clinton as 2008 Presidential Candiate...

[Andy]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

What Conservatives want in order of importance

 

fiscal responsibility

strong on national defense

someone that can win

 

end of list

 

There might be a tiny section of the GOP that wouldn't embrace an African American female candidate.

 

The same is also true for the DNC

 

If by tiny you mean the "Christian" Coalition or Family "Research" Council A.K.A., Bush's base you might be right.

 

http://www.frc.org/. The only difference between these people and the kkk is the sheet.

And the whole part where they're not racists. Close, though.

[CubinNY]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

What Conservatives want in order of importance

 

fiscal responsibility

strong on national defense

someone that can win

 

end of list

 

There might be a tiny section of the GOP that wouldn't embrace an African American female candidate.

 

The same is also true for the DNC

 

If by tiny you mean the "Christian" Coalition or Family "Research" Council A.K.A., Bush's base you might be right.

 

http://www.frc.org/. The only difference between these people and the kkk is the sheet.

And the whole part where they're not racists. Close, though.

 

On women's role in society

http://www.frc.org/file.cfm?f=KEYWORD&key=ROL

 

Race issues note the title: Did Lincoln kill the Constitution

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WT00C1

 

"But not Lincoln. To the contrary, Lincoln occupied a comparatively conservative place on the anti-slavery spectrum, largely because of his reluctance to ignore the constitutional securities for slavery. "

[Andy]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

What Conservatives want in order of importance

 

fiscal responsibility

strong on national defense

someone that can win

 

end of list

 

There might be a tiny section of the GOP that wouldn't embrace an African American female candidate.

 

The same is also true for the DNC

 

If by tiny you mean the "Christian" Coalition or Family "Research" Council A.K.A., Bush's base you might be right.

 

http://www.frc.org/. The only difference between these people and the kkk is the sheet.

And the whole part where they're not racists. Close, though.

 

On women's role in society

http://www.frc.org/file.cfm?f=KEYWORD&key=ROL

 

Race issues note the title: Did Lincoln kill the Constitution

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WT00C1

 

"But not Lincoln. To the contrary, Lincoln occupied a comparatively conservative place on the anti-slavery spectrum, largely because of his reluctance to ignore the constitutional securities for slavery. "

I never argued against the theory that some Christian groups are living in the past re: women. The second article has absolutely no pro-slavery or even pro-racist connotations, despite its controversial title.

[CubinNY]

You don't think there's a large section of the GOP that wouldn't ever want a female, African-American president?

 

What Conservatives want in order of importance

 

fiscal responsibility

strong on national defense

someone that can win

 

end of list

 

There might be a tiny section of the GOP that wouldn't embrace an African American female candidate.

 

The same is also true for the DNC

 

If by tiny you mean the "Christian" Coalition or Family "Research" Council A.K.A., Bush's base you might be right.

 

http://www.frc.org/. The only difference between these people and the kkk is the sheet.

And the whole part where they're not racists. Close, though.

 

On women's role in society

http://www.frc.org/file.cfm?f=KEYWORD&key=ROL

 

Race issues note the title: Did Lincoln kill the Constitution

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WT00C1

 

"But not Lincoln. To the contrary, Lincoln occupied a comparatively conservative place on the anti-slavery spectrum, largely because of his reluctance to ignore the constitutional securities for slavery. "

I never argued against the theory that some Christian groups are living in the past re: women. The second article has absolutely no pro-slavery or even pro-racist connotations, despite its controversial title.

 

No one is going to say somehting overtly racist in this day. You have to read betweeen the lines.

 

And those are just things I found in two minutes of searching.

 

I didn't even touch their issues on homosexuality, which are nothing short of medieval.

[biittner77]

CubinNY,

 

I'm wondering if you actaully read any of this beyond the core statement of beliefs. I admit I only skimmed the articles. Where does it say that they are racist? Where does it say that a woman shouldn't be president?

 

I'm not really sure why you quoted this:

 

Lincoln occupied a comparatively conservative place on the anti-slavery spectrum, largely because of his reluctance to ignore the constitutional securities for slavery. "

 

The first part of that statement is true. Lincoln was an abolitionist but his first priority was preserving the Union.

 

"If I could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave, I would do so. If I could save the union by freeing some slaves but not others I would do that as well"- Abraham Lincoln

[OleMissCub]

 

No one is going to say somehting overtly racist in this day. You have to read betweeen the lines.

 

There is plenty of scholarly debate in the legal field about Lincoln shredding up the Constitution during his presidency, and it has zero to do with racism or being a neo-confederate or anything like that.

[hardcorecubfan]

I should have picked other because once the lottery check comes in and my investment on the autograph Dusty Baker card pays off I will have the cash to run