RUMOR: Ramirez to Anaheim if...

[iowacub]

the Tejada deal to Anaheim does not fall through. Hearing SS Erik Aybar and P Ervin Santana...Don't post much here but according to a person in the Angels front office it has been discussed. Take it for what its worth...

[Hosak8]

the Tejada deal to Anaheim does not fall through. Hearing SS Erik Aybar and P Ervin Santana...Don't post much here but according to a person in the Angels front office it has been discussed. Take it for what its worth...

 

Does NOT fall through? It hink you meant DOES fall through, correct?

[USSoccer]

IF that happens, it's one of the dumbest trades in Cub history, and if it's because Hendry gave Ramirez that stupid out clause, he should be fired right away.

 

You don't give up 28 year old power hitting 3B for prospects when you're a big market team.

[Elrhino]

Aybar is a toolsy player with a lot of speed, an atrocious OBP and a horrific BB/K ratio.

 

In other words, there's probably a lot of truth to this rumor.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Intriguing.

 

On an unrelated note, The Baseball Cube has statistics for this year, although they aren't updated daily.

[iowacub]

i was told that if tejeda is NOT dealt, that is the fall back plan for the Angels..they want tejeda to play 3rd..

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Aybar is a toolsy player with a lot of speed, an atrocious OBP and a horrific BB/K ratio.

 

In other words, there's probably a lot of truth to this rumor.

 

He's a career .360 OBP guy in the minors while being very young for his levels. I agree he doesn't take a ton of walks, but he doesn't really strike out a lot and has shown an ability to hit for average.

 

I don't have my prospect handbook with me, how's his defense supposed to be?

[NorthsideAvenger]

IF that happens, it's one of the dumbest trades in Cub history, and if it's because Hendry gave Ramirez that stupid out clause, he should be fired right away.

 

You don't give up 28 year old power hitting 3B for prospects when you're a big market team.

 

First: Santana isn't a prospect, and he WOULD definately slide behind Zambrano and perhaps Prior (if healthy) in the rotation. The kid will be a stud. Aybar (I rather have Kendrick or Wood), I don't know. The cUBS would have to get back a player like McPherson (who they COULD flip to another team for a 3rd baseman, say....Cabrera?

 

Second: Only way I would be not be pissed about trading ARam, is that in the offseason...Hendry makes a strong bid (if not flat out get him) for Miguel Cabrera. Outside of that, I am not in favor of trading ARam.

[mg420]

Aybar is a toolsy player with a lot of speed, an atrocious OBP and a horrific BB/K ratio.

 

In other words, there's probably a lot of truth to this rumor.

 

yeah, his career minor leauge obp of .362 is atrocious.

[USSoccer]

i was told that if tejeda is NOT dealt, that is the fall back plan for the Angels..they want tejeda to play 3rd..

 

Tejada won't play 3rd. And Hendry should tell the Angels to go scratch.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

IF that happens, it's one of the dumbest trades in Cub history, and if it's because Hendry gave Ramirez that stupid out clause, he should be fired right away.

 

You don't give up 28 year old power hitting 3B for prospects when you're a big market team.

 

IF this happens.......

 

 

Things would need to play itself out in order to make that claim. It very well might be, but I wouldn't just right off highly touted prospects ahead of time and major leaguer Santana is pretty good.

 

In terms of minor leaguers.......

 

I wouldn't worry about their development and the Cubs systems inability to produce position players. Their skills have been honed elsewhere. Kind of like Barrett. If they have the talent they'll come into their own.

[rawaction]

Aybar is a toolsy player with a lot of speed, an atrocious OBP and a horrific BB/K ratio.

 

In other words, there's probably a lot of truth to this rumor.

 

His K rate isn't that bad. He doesn't walk at all, but his strikeouts won't be a problem. He has great speed, but can't steal bases very well. 170 steals, but has been caught 82 times. To me, he's Eric Patterson with a better arm and better contact because he swings at more pitches.

[USSoccer]

It's still not enough for me to want to trade Aramis.

[CoolHandLuke]

from the BA prospect handbook on Aybar's defense(and more):

 

Though undersized, Aybar packs some pop in his swing. ......He has plus actions at shortstop, turns the double play with aplomb and has enough arm strength to make plays deep in the hole. He plays with passion and consistently has been a catalyst. Aybar remains a free swinger. If he's going to reach his ceiling as a leadoff hitter, he must improve his plate discipline and willingness to work counts.

 

Sounds a lot like a certain shortstop that we all know and love.

[Laura]

I don't have my prospect handbook with me, how's his defense supposed to be?

 

I only have Sickels on hand where I am today, here's the D-portion of the writeup:

 

Defensively, he's settled in at shortstop and should be able to remain there for the long run, featuring above average range and arm strength. I think he'll need some time at AAA, and we'll have to see how the Angels resolve their middle infield talent crunch. Aybar is a notch behind Brandon Wood and Howie Kendrick, but is ahead of Alberto Callaspo and other candidates.

 

Sickels graded him a B+, which is pretty high in his book. The two highest-graded cubs prospects he had were Pawalek & Pie, both B+ (going into this season).

[USSoccer]

from the BA prospect handbook on Aybar's defense(and more):

 

Though undersized, Aybar packs some pop in his swing. ......He has plus actions at shortstop, turns the double play with aplomb and has enough arm strength to make plays deep in the hole. He plays with passion and consistently has been a catalyst. Aybar remains a free swinger. If he's going to reach his ceiling as a leadoff hitter, he must improve his plate discipline and willingness to work counts.

 

Sounds a lot like a certain shortstop that we all know and love.

 

Sounds like the kind of player who's weaknesses would be exacerbated by our coaches.

[CP_414]

Is it really that bad of a trade? I like Aramis as much as the next guy, but it's a fair offer. Ervin Santana is a very talented young pitcher who has had big league success and will be cheap for 3 more years. Aybar sounds like a good prospect too, as Tiger pointed out he has had much minor league success at a young age for his level. You also have $11M more to spend in free agency on top of the $24M from Maddux, Wood, Pierre. You could realistically sign 2 big-time free agents like Schmidt, and Carlos Lee while also making a trade for a playter with a salary over $10M a year.

 

The Cubs badly need to improve the rotation and if they can turn this trade into: Zambrano, Schmidt, Sanata, Prior, Marmol...with our current bullpen that is nasty. They also would have the money to improve the offense with Lee and another big-money hitter.

 

I wouldn't hate this trade.

[Mephistopheles]

If Jim Hendry feels that there is a better than say a 66% chance that Aramis opts out of his contract, he ought to trade him.

 

Secondly I highly doubt it was Santana and Aybar. There is no way they got the same offer that they gave Tejada.

[USSoccer]

If Jim Hendry feels that there is a better than say a 66% chance that Aramis opts out of his contract, he ought to trade him.

 

Secondly I highly doubt it was Santana and Aybar. There is no way they got the same offer that they gave Tejada.

 

You'reright. Given Aramis' age and production, we should get more for him than Tejada would fetch.

[CoolHandLuke]

If Jim Hendry feels that there is a better than say a 66% chance that Aramis opts out of his contract, he ought to trade him.

 

Secondly I highly doubt it was Santana and Aybar. There is no way they got the same offer that they gave Tejada.

 

I think one of the only things that makes Tejada more valuable than Aramis is that he plays shortstop, and don't the angels intend on him playing third?

[soccer10k]

If Jim Hendry feels that there is a better than say a 66% chance that Aramis opts out of his contract and doesn't think he can resign him, he ought to trade him.

 

Secondly I highly doubt it was Santana and Aybar. There is no way they got the same offer that they gave Tejada.

 

Fixed. As has been discussed on this board, don't rule out ARam opting out solely because he wants more money.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If Jim Hendry feels that there is a better than say a 66% chance that Aramis opts out of his contract, he ought to trade him.

 

Secondly I highly doubt it was Santana and Aybar. There is no way they got the same offer that they gave Tejada.

 

I think one of the only things that makes Tejada more valuable than Aramis is that he plays shortstop, and don't the angels intend on him playing third?

 

Tejada is more durable and would probably be a better defender, but Ramirez has age, contract, and overall production on his side.

[USSoccer]

Is it really that bad of a trade? I like Aramis as much as the next guy, but it's a fair offer. Ervin Santana is a very talented young pitcher who has had big league success and will be cheap for 3 more years. Aybar sounds like a good prospect too, as Tiger pointed out he has had much minor league success at a young age for his level. You also have $11M more to spend in free agency on top of the $24M from Maddux, Wood, Pierre. You could realistically sign 2 big-time free agents like Schmidt, and Carlos Lee while also making a trade for a playter with a salary over $10M a year.

 

The Cubs badly need to improve the rotation and if they can turn this trade into: Zambrano, Schmidt, Sanata, Prior, Marmol...with our current bullpen that is nasty. They also would have the money to improve the offense with Lee and another big-money hitter.

 

I wouldn't hate this trade.

 

There are few offensive upgrades out there in the FA market, and even if you sign one of them, you're right back to status quo, really. You'd have to sign 2 good offensive players if you deal Aramis

[TXCubsFan]

from the BA prospect handbook on Aybar's defense(and more):

 

Though undersized, Aybar packs some pop in his swing. ......He has plus actions at shortstop, turns the double play with aplomb and has enough arm strength to make plays deep in the hole. He plays with passion and consistently has been a catalyst. Aybar remains a free swinger. If he's going to reach his ceiling as a leadoff hitter, he must improve his plate discipline and willingness to work counts.

 

Sounds a lot like a certain shortstop that we all know and love.

 

Sounds like the kind of player who's weaknesses would be exacerbated by our coaches.

 

I would like to keep Aram. However, if the trade goes through, Aybar is the best type of OBP player we're going to expect from a non-power guy under Hendry. Hendry doesn't discount OBP as much as stated on this board, he discounts walks. That's why I would be happy if he resigned Pierre, who is the same type of low IsoD hitter.

 

We aren't going to see a trade for Dunn or Quentin while Hendry is GM. :cry:

[CP_414]

Is it really that bad of a trade? I like Aramis as much as the next guy, but it's a fair offer. Ervin Santana is a very talented young pitcher who has had big league success and will be cheap for 3 more years. Aybar sounds like a good prospect too, as Tiger pointed out he has had much minor league success at a young age for his level. You also have $11M more to spend in free agency on top of the $24M from Maddux, Wood, Pierre. You could realistically sign 2 big-time free agents like Schmidt, and Carlos Lee while also making a trade for a playter with a salary over $10M a year.

 

The Cubs badly need to improve the rotation and if they can turn this trade into: Zambrano, Schmidt, Sanata, Prior, Marmol...with our current bullpen that is nasty. They also would have the money to improve the offense with Lee and another big-money hitter.

 

I wouldn't hate this trade.

 

There are few offensive upgrades out there in the FA market, and even if you sign one of them, you're right back to status quo, really. You'd have to sign 2 good offensive players if you deal Aramis

 

Sign Carlos Lee and the offense is a wash. Then factor in Santana and it's an improvement. Then facto in Aybar and it's an even better improvement.