Hill recalled (7/24) / Aardsma to AAA (7/27)

[BeerHere]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060723cubsbits,1,6051457.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

 

Way to build his confidence Dusty

 

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[Bruno7481]

I'm actually agreeing with Dusty on this one. Hill does need to produce at the major league level.

 

Hill will get a confidence boost when he goes out and pitches a good game. Whatever Dusty says or doesn't say isn't going to make a difference.

 

Hopefully he can get a regular spot in the rotation with some good outings. I'm not expecting him to strike out 14 every time out. For starters I'd like to see some better control and better command of the curveball which he has lacked in his brief stint with the Cubs.

[C.C.]

I'm also with Dusty on this one. It's either put up or shut up! He's 26 years old that dominates AAA. Nothing more and nothing less, unless he proves other wise.

[NewUserName]

I would say let him pitch. Most pitchers do take a beating whenthey first come up. Let him pitch thru it. I would let him pitch the rest of the season. Nothing to lose and we would have a good evaluation of him as a major league pitcher. My guess is its not going to happen.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

[C.C.]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not say the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

[CubinNY]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

 

If he didn't want to be sent back to AAA he'd throw 3 shutouts.

[C.C.]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

 

Why does Marshall pitch for the Cubs and Hill doesn't? Because Marshall did what he had to do to make the Cubs and Rich Hill didn't. Simple as that...

[dvdd127]

I agree with Dusty on this one...But the problem is the minute Hill struggles..... Dust Man will take him out. Thats the mistake.... it isnt like we can save the season at this point just let Hill pitch 6 to 7 innings. unless he is throwing a lot of pitches..... and is close to or over 100 pitchers after 5. But at least let him go 5.

[C.C.]

I agree with Dusty on this one...But the problem is the minute Hill struggles..... Dust Man will take him out. Thats the mistake.... it isnt like we can save the season at this point just let Hill pitch 6 to 7 innings. unless he is throwing a lot of pitches..... and is close to or over 100 pitchers after 5. But at least let him go 5.

 

Not true. If anything Dusty sticks with pitchers way too long. Trust me with the bullpen worn out this weekend with Marshall and Marmol going down Hill will be in there as long as Dusty can bare it.

[katway]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

 

Why does Marshall pitch for the Cubs and Hill doesn't? Because Marshall did what he had to do to make the Cubs and Rich Hill didn't. Simple as that...

 

Hill has without a doubt blown his opportunities. But, this ballclub can still afford to have given him a greater opportunity and keep him out there for a full year to develop at the big league level when our other options are Glendon Rusch and other nonaccomplished pitchers. We can lose with him and lose without him, I'd rather lose with him as he develops at the big league level since he's proven to have gone as far as he can go in the minors.

[soccer10k]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

 

He's been given a decent chance and hasn't shown the ability to pitch at the ML level. Marshall has definately outpitched Hill this year and has earned his spot in the rotation. In Hill's four starts this year he has given up 5, 5, 3, 7 ER respectively. In Marshall's first four starts this year he gave up 4, 4, 2, 0 ER respectively. Marshall showed progress. Hill didn't. He shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 starts to show he can pitch at the ML level. If he has four outings like he did earlier in the year, he shouldn't be given many more. Now, on the other hand, if Hill shows progress, then keep him in the rotation.

[Mizzou]

So who was sent down?

[dvdd127]

I agree with Dusty on this one...But the problem is the minute Hill struggles..... Dust Man will take him out. Thats the mistake.... it isnt like we can save the season at this point just let Hill pitch 6 to 7 innings. unless he is throwing a lot of pitches..... and is close to or over 100 pitchers after 5. But at least let him go 5.

 

Not true. If anything Dusty sticks with pitchers way too long. Trust me with the bullpen worn out this weekend with Marshall and Marmol going down Hill will be in there as long as Dusty can bare it.

....Sorry.. you cant use this weekend as an example.. because 2 of the startes got injured....

[goonys evil twin]

In Hill's four starts this year he has given up 5, 5, 3, 7 ER respectively. In Marshall's first four starts this year he gave up 4, 4, 2, 0 ER respectively. Marshall showed progress. Hill didn't. He shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 starts to show he can pitch at the ML level. If he has four outings like he did earlier in the year, he shouldn't be given many more. Now, on the other hand, if Hill shows progress, then keep him in the rotation.

 

How does that make any sense whatsoever? Since when is 4 starts a reasonable opportunity? Marshall showed progress at one point, but he's shown regression at others. That's perfectly normal. It doesn't really what he gave up in his first 4, middle 4 or last 4 starts. What matters is that he got a lot more than 4 starts, and that they were consecutive. Hill needs to start every 5 days from here on out no matter what the results are. It doesn't matter if the Cubs win or lose, so there is nothing to lose if he gets shelled repeatedly. They need to get a good judgement on the guy, and 4 starts is not enough.

[C.C.]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

 

He's been given a decent chance and hasn't shown the ability to pitch at the ML level. Marshall has definately outpitched Hill this year and has earned his spot in the rotation. In Hill's four starts this year he has given up 5, 5, 3, 7 ER respectively. In Marshall's first four starts this year he gave up 4, 4, 2, 0 ER respectively. Marshall showed progress. Hill didn't. He shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 starts to show he can pitch at the ML level. If he has four outings like he did earlier in the year, he shouldn't be given many more. Now, on the other hand, if Hill shows progress, then keep him in the rotation.

 

Sounds simple enough to me.

[mg420]

it's obvious that dusty has something against hill and word has it that rothschild does too. while its true he has performed horribly in his major leauge starts this year due mosty to the # of walks, his minor leauge #'s show that his problems might be a mental thing (which cant be helped by dusty's & rothschilds attitude toward him). who cares if he's 26 if he's been hands down the best pitcher in the minors the last 2 years. i certainly hope they dont screw him up too much so there is something left for the new manager & pitching coach next year to work with.

[CubinNY]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

 

He's been given a decent chance and hasn't shown the ability to pitch at the ML level. Marshall has definately outpitched Hill this year and has earned his spot in the rotation. In Hill's four starts this year he has given up 5, 5, 3, 7 ER respectively. In Marshall's first four starts this year he gave up 4, 4, 2, 0 ER respectively. Marshall showed progress. Hill didn't. He shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 starts to show he can pitch at the ML level. If he has four outings like he did earlier in the year, he shouldn't be given many more. Now, on the other hand, if Hill shows progress, then keep him in the rotation.

Marshall has been terrible since then, so I guess he hasn't really shown that much prorgress overall.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=5905&position=P&page=0&type=full

 

Just goes to show one, that four starts don't a career make.

 

You should see a doctor for your myopia.

[MPrior]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

 

He's been given a decent chance and hasn't shown the ability to pitch at the ML level. Marshall has definately outpitched Hill this year and has earned his spot in the rotation. In Hill's four starts this year he has given up 5, 5, 3, 7 ER respectively. In Marshall's first four starts this year he gave up 4, 4, 2, 0 ER respectively. Marshall showed progress. Hill didn't. He shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 starts to show he can pitch at the ML level. If he has four outings like he did earlier in the year, he shouldn't be given many more. Now, on the other hand, if Hill shows progress, then keep him in the rotation.

 

What good does it do to send him back down? Regardless of how he performs, it won't be significantly worse than Rusch. Bring him up, and tell him that no matter what, he gets a spot in the rotation until the end of the season. That way, he won't feel constantly pressured by Dusty, who has a very short leash for rookies, and by Glendon Rusch, who should never ever pitch again in the major leagues (unless it's in the Cardinals' rotation).

 

It's always seemed as though Hill's problems at the ML level been mental rather than physical. Well then, now that we have the luxury to do so (i.e., it doesn't matter in any way how we perform as a team the rest of the season), we should do our best to eliminate the factors that might cause those mental problems. It would do no harm, and has the potential to help us (and him) out.

[soccer10k]

Yeah Rich, we've given you so many consistent chances as a starter. What's wrong with you??

 

Wait a sec. now? The job was his to win in ST and both Guzman and Marshall out pitched him. So lets not here the Cubs don't give Rich Hill many chances. It's not how many chances you are given. It's how you take advantage of those chances when you are given them..

 

So that's why I haven't won the lottery.

 

Hill hasn't been given a chance. The worst thing is, I believe he still won't be given a chance. He'll get 3 maybe 4 starts and that's if he is good in his first one. Then when Marshall comes back he'll be moved to the bullpen or sent back to AAA.

 

He's been given a decent chance and hasn't shown the ability to pitch at the ML level. Marshall has definately outpitched Hill this year and has earned his spot in the rotation. In Hill's four starts this year he has given up 5, 5, 3, 7 ER respectively. In Marshall's first four starts this year he gave up 4, 4, 2, 0 ER respectively. Marshall showed progress. Hill didn't. He shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 starts to show he can pitch at the ML level. If he has four outings like he did earlier in the year, he shouldn't be given many more. Now, on the other hand, if Hill shows progress, then keep him in the rotation.

Marshall has been terrible since then, so I guess he hasn't really shown that much prorgress overall.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=5905&position=P&page=0&type=full

 

Just goes to show one, that four starts don't a career make.

 

You should see a doctor for your myopia.

 

Yeah, Marshall was terrible on May 1, May 6, May 17, May 27, June 2, June 7, and July 5. I realize that he hasn't been great recently, but if Marshall has been "terrible", how would you classify Hill?

[C.C.]

it's obvious that dusty has something against hill and word has it that rothschild does too. while its true he has performed horribly in his major leauge starts this year due mosty to the # of walks, his minor leauge #'s show that his problems might be a mental thing (which cant be helped by dusty's & rothschilds attitude toward him). who cares if he's 26 if he's been hands down the best pitcher in the minors the last 2 years. i certainly hope they dont screw him up too much so there is something left for the new manager & pitching coach next year to work with.

 

Why is it so obvious that you think that Dusty and Larry have something against Hill? Don't you think that a ERA over 9 has something to do with him not being on the big club?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I have made it clear that I am not a fan of Hill. I don't think he's nearly as good as a lot of people do, and I think his perceived trade value is his only redeeming quality.

 

Having said that, this club is [expletive] for not allowing him to showcase his talents in a consistent fashion to see if he can figure it out at this level. He has been roughed up and yanked. Sent to the bullpen then sent down. Called up a 2nd time, got roughed up, and deported once again. I would love to see Hill prove me wrong. Meanwhile, Marshall has been looked upon as though he's some sort of savior and is quite frankly putting up some bad numbers. (and yes, I understand the age, experience level, rookie bound to progress stuff, etc.) Hill is more deserving of a spot on this roster than Rusch, and he should be given that spot for the remainder of this season.

[C.C.]

I've honestly never understood the Rich Hill love on this board. What has he done in the ML to garner so much love? Rich Hill will never be a Bona-Fide ML starter. He's role eventually will be a lefty specialist.

[soccer10k]

In Hill's four starts this year he has given up 5, 5, 3, 7 ER respectively. In Marshall's first four starts this year he gave up 4, 4, 2, 0 ER respectively. Marshall showed progress. Hill didn't. He shouldn't get more than 3 or 4 starts to show he can pitch at the ML level. If he has four outings like he did earlier in the year, he shouldn't be given many more. Now, on the other hand, if Hill shows progress, then keep him in the rotation.

 

How does that make any sense whatsoever? Since when is 4 starts a reasonable opportunity? Marshall showed progress at one point, but he's shown regression at others. That's perfectly normal. It doesn't really what he gave up in his first 4, middle 4 or last 4 starts. What matters is that he got a lot more than 4 starts, and that they were consecutive. Hill needs to start every 5 days from here on out no matter what the results are. It doesn't matter if the Cubs win or lose, so there is nothing to lose if he gets shelled repeatedly. They need to get a good judgement on the guy, and 4 starts is not enough.

 

If Hill gets 3 or 4 starts this time up with the team and gets shelled each time, why continue to send him out every 5 days? Why not give somebody else a chance maybe Guzman or Ryu? I'm all for giving guys a chance but Hill hasn't shown the ability to get anybody out; and not just this year, but last year as well. At least Guzman has shown the ability to get people out at some point in his short ML career. And Ryu only got one start so we don't know what he can do either. Fact is, Hill has gotten shelled and he shouldn't continue to get chance after chance if he continues to get hit hard.