Marmol!

[CubfaninCA]

At one point can we officially rip on Hill and it's declared "fair?" Because I need to mark my calendar. In blood.

 

when he wins a game?

 

he's had 14 shots now. he's overdue. :wink:

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, we just haven't given him enough chances!

[E.J.]

At one point can we officially rip on Hill and it's declared "fair?" Because I need to mark my calendar. In blood.

 

when he wins a game?

 

he's had 14 shots now. he's overdue. :wink:

 

I love how we just expect rookies to jump in and be studs right away. It's not like this season isn't tanked anyway. Bring Hill up and let him pitch in the rotation the rest of the year. Let him get comfortable up here instead of sending him back and forth from Wrigley to AAA.

 

And it's not like every great pitcher automatically pitched well in their first year. Go back and look at Greg Maddux's first year in the big leagues. He was something like 5-14 with a 5+ ERA. I'm not saying Hill is going to be the next Maddux, but you have to at least give him a chance to succeed. A handful of starts after being up and down from AAA is not that chance.

[Banedon]

At one point can we officially rip on Hill and it's declared "fair?" Because I need to mark my calendar. In blood.

 

when he wins a game?

 

he's had 14 shots now. he's overdue. :wink:

 

He's had 8 games started. 14 overall appearances. How dare he not win in relief?

 

Also his first two starts in the bigs, he only gave up 2 runs in each outing, and got a no decision.

 

It's a confidence issue with Hill, IMO. I'd like to see him get a chance to pitch in long relief for a while.

[A New Era]

Bump for Marmol's first Major League start! Let's get back on topic here!

 

I'm really looking foward to Marmol starting, aren't you?

Hopefully Marmol will be a real aid. Perhaps he can help us avoid a jam. We just have to make sure not to spread him too thin. Orange you glad we got him?

[biittner77]

When I think about the struggles of young pitchers this year I always come back to Carlos Zambrano's first year

 

Carlos Zambrano 2001 Chicago Cubs

 

W----L------ERA------W-----K------IP

 

1----2------15.26-----8------4-----7.2

 

During the 2001-02 off season, everyone was in love with Juan Cruz. Everyone was baffled by the Cubs use of Zambrano (why was he sitting in the Cubs pen as the 14th pitcher when he could be in AAA starting?) At the time Mark Peel said speculated that the Cubs wanted him to face MLB hitters in game situations.

 

Zambrano's stuff didn't magically get better the following years, he simply gained the confidence to trust it. Perhaps that's easier said then done but it can't be done at all while at AAA.

 

I'd like to see the Cubs ship out Rusch by whatever means necessary and put Hill in the Mop up/ spot start role.

[CUBZ99]

When I think about the struggles of young pitchers this year I always come back to Carlos Zambrano's first year

 

Carlos Zambrano 2001 Chicago Cubs

 

W----L------ERA------W-----K------IP

 

1----2------15.26-----8------4-----7.2

 

During the 2001-02 off season, everyone was in love with Juan Cruz. Everyone was baffled by the Cubs use of Zambrano (why was he sitting in the Cubs pen as the 14th pitcher when he could be in AAA starting?) At the time Mark Peel said speculated that the Cubs wanted him to face MLB hitters in game situations.

 

Zambrano's stuff didn't magically get better the following years, he simply gained the confidence to trust it. Perhaps that's easier said then done but it can't be done at all while at AAA.

 

I'd like to see the Cubs ship out Rusch by whatever means necessary and put Hill in the Mop up/ spot start role.

 

Good post. I'm not ready to give up on Hill, Guzman, Ryu or Marmol this early. If I remember right, Maddux himself, had a pretty terrible first year in the majors. With the season going the way it is, there is no reason to not give the young guys a chance to play or pitch out of the pen.

[Shavo]

Hill will never be a Major League pitcher unless he adds another pitch.

[srbin84]

I like Marmol a lot and have a good feeling about him.

[mtkafka]

Wow, this kid reminds me of Juan Cruz with much better control... or like... hes just good it seems...but then again, I also thought Rich Hill was the next Zito...

 

Anyway, I like watching this Marmol!

 

etc

[Neuby]

Hill will never be a Major League pitcher unless he adds another pitch.

 

I disagree he might not be a major league starter unless he adds another pitch but he could be a back end of the bullpen guy. He has a plus fastball and that great curve two pitches are all you really need to suceed out of the pen. Hill's problem has really been his location and leaving balls over the plate. If his control straightens out he might be able to suceed at the major league level as a starter.

[Sammy Sofa]

All further Hill talk is banned. His stench will only taints the glory that is Marmol!

 

Yeah, yeah, tiny sample size...it's still nice to see another rookie get in there and do great out of the gate, especially with Marshall coming up this year. If Marmol can show he's ready to be a starter from here on out, he opens up a TON of options for the Cubs...Maddux can be dealt, Wood can be showcased in the pen, lotta money freed up to get some quality FA's in the off season...

 

Marmol, I love you.

[B4Icroak]

Thus far it is a small sample size, but I've seen every pitch this kid has thrown in the bigs and all I can say is - you gotta win sometimes or it's no fun playin - we have another starter and from AA no less. Granted Blue was calling low strikes today, but what impresses me more than his fastball is the way he works the zone and hits it. 10 innings, 13 K's, 3 W's, 5 hits. So far the best positive supprise next to Marshall I've had all season.

[neely crenshaw]

isn't it funny that our 2 best pitching prospects arrived with very little fanfare..marshall and marmol were not even mentioned with the group of hill,guzman,brownlee,wuertz,mitre,christenson and so forth.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

isn't it funny that our 2 best pitching prospects arrived with very little fanfare..marshall and marmol were not even mentioned with the group of hill,guzman,brownlee,wuertz,mitre,christenson and so forth.

 

Not true of those folks who actually followed the minors. Mind you, outside of Guzman (and maybe Hill), most of the guys on your list have been rated below Marshall and Marmol in the last year and a half. I think only Hill, Guzman and Marmol have received any fanfare too.

Edited June 11, 2006 by CaliforniaRaisin

[muntjack]

Wow, this kid reminds me of Juan Cruz with much better control... or like... hes just good it seems...but then again, I also thought Rich Hill was the next Zito...

 

Anyway, I like watching this Marmol!

 

etc

 

Yes, Marmol has displayed much better control than Cruz did. He also has very good stuff.

 

He doesn't really remind me of Juan, though. I still believe than Juan Cruz has the best pure stuff in all of baseball....there's just something that doesn't click upstairs.

 

. I do believe that Marmol has a very good chance of being an above average starting pitcher for a long time.

[oldstyle81]

so far two unknown players from AA have come up and done some very good things thus far while the 2 untouchables in AAA have come up and stunk it up pretty bad. could it be over coaching?

[TXCubsFan]

so far two unknown players from AA have come up and done some very good things thus far while the 2 untouchables in AAA have come up and stunk it up pretty bad. could it be over coaching?

 

No, I don't think it's coaching. Guzman is rusty after limited innings in the past few years. In addition, the Venezuelans on this team - Z, Ronny, and Angel - tend to be on the emotional side. May be a cultural thing. I believe Guzman will be a part of the staring rotation next year, barring injury.

 

As for Hill, I don't see him with the Cubs next year. Bruce has mentioned that management has soured on him, but he's shown enough to be decent trade bait.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

so far two unknown players from AA have come up and done some very good things thus far while the 2 untouchables in AAA have come up and stunk it up pretty bad. could it be over coaching?

 

Marmol and Marshall are not unknowns (just look up some of mine and other folks' posts the past two years).

 

Guzman was not ready the first time he was promoted, he was still rusty and recovering from not pitching much for 2.5 years. That wasn't overcoaching, that was promoting a pitcher who hadn't shown he was ready. Hill certainly has struggled, especially with his control in the big leagues. I'm not sure if that has to do with coaching.

 

None of them should be untouchable.

[Brian]

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I'm going to have to search in the minor league forum, because I said that Marmol was my favorite prospect. Glad to see him getting it down in the bigs hopefully he can keep it up!

[impaler_240]

1st start...

 

7 strikeouts...

 

6 innings...

 

99 pitches...

 

got the win...

 

This guy can pitch... :wink:

[A New Era]

I confess my man-love for Marmol!! Let the record show that I was the first one to confess this on NSBB!!

[impaler_240]

I confess my man-love for Marmol!!

 

HAHAHA....that's gay.

 

I love him too though! :oops:

[Andy]

Whoever created the Marmol BandWGN - I'm aboard. This kid is money.