Barrett

[SouthSideRyan]

The collision was perfectly clean, but it did look like AJ may have leaned into Barrett after the play. The smart move for Bare would have been to let AJ bump him so AJ could draw an ejection. Unfortunately that plate slap made Bare lose his cool.

 

Listening to 720 all game, Hughes said AJ was walking to pick up his helmet.

 

That's pure speculation. He may have, he may not have been, Pat Hughes certainly doesn't know any better than anybody else that watched it.

[UMFan83]

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Meh, I guess this disproves that. It's clearly towards the Cubs dugout

[BigSlick]

I'm embarrassed to be a Cubs fan today. Not because of the losing effort on the field, but because of the unsportsmanlike, baby-fit that Barrett threw.

 

It's not cool to get into physical fights. You're not any more of a man for punching others in the face. In fact, I think it's white trash behavior. It's disturbing some fans celebrate this.

 

Barrett was blocking the plate and AJ ran through him. It was not a dirty play on AJ's part. AJ saw that Anderson hit a shallow fly ball to left and knew he was a slow runner so the play at home would likely be close. Add to the fact that AJ couldn't see the throw developing behind him, but had to know it was close since Barrett otherwise wouldn't be blocking the plate, and you can realize that this is a clean play and a part of baseball.

 

Its also prissy (in everyday speak I'd use another word that is p---y') behavior to take crap and not do anything about it. Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself and your team or you will be run over and disrespected all the time.

 

There are some things going for blind masculine violence.

[Priorknowledge]

The collision was perfectly clean, but it did look like AJ may have leaned into Barrett after the play. The smart move for Bare would have been to let AJ bump him so AJ could draw an ejection. Unfortunately that plate slap made Bare lose his cool.

 

Listening to 720 all game, Hughes said AJ was walking to pick up his helmet.

 

That's pure speculation. He may have, he may not have been, Pat Hughes certainly doesn't know any better than anybody else that watched it.

 

Whether you believe it or not (and I am not sure I do), AJ said that's what he was doing on the Fox postgame. The Helmet WAS behind Barrett though.

[Jake17]

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Meh, I guess this disproves that. It's clearly towards the Cubs dugout

 

That also shows that Barrett can't see the hand slap, and the TV replays show that AJP didn't come in with his arms high, or say anything to Barrett before Michael grabbed him. We're all Cub fans here, but it's pretty clear that Barrett was out of line.

[BigSlick]

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Meh, I guess this disproves that. It's clearly towards the Cubs dugout

 

That also shows that Barrett can't see the hand slap, and the TV replays show that AJP didn't come in with his arms high, or say anything to Barrett before Michael grabbed him. We're all Cub fans here, but it's pretty clear that Barrett was out of line.

 

I'm pretty sure Pierzynski said something to him that set him off.

[Butterscup1679666578]

The collision was perfectly clean, but it did look like AJ may have leaned into Barrett after the play. The smart move for Bare would have been to let AJ bump him so AJ could draw an ejection. Unfortunately that plate slap made Bare lose his cool.

 

Listening to 720 all game, Hughes said AJ was walking to pick up his helmet.

 

That's pure speculation. He may have, he may not have been, Pat Hughes certainly doesn't know any better than anybody else that watched it.

 

Whether you believe it or not (and I am not sure I do), AJ said that's what he was doing on the Fox postgame. The Helmet WAS behind Barrett though.

 

Yeah, i think it's safe to give AJP the benefit of the doubt on this one.

 

BTW, AJP was just interviewed on ESPNews, and apparently Barrett said this:

 

"I didn't have the ball b----"

 

Then jacked him.

 

:lol:

[Mizzou]

Screw you Dusty. Try sticking up for your players, you ass.

 

"I asked Michael what happened and Michael said he (Pierzynski) hit him without the ball, but that's baseball to me," Cubs manager Dusty Baker said

From the Yahoo game recap.

[Jake17]

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Meh, I guess this disproves that. It's clearly towards the Cubs dugout

 

That also shows that Barrett can't see the hand slap, and the TV replays show that AJP didn't come in with his arms high, or say anything to Barrett before Michael grabbed him. We're all Cub fans here, but it's pretty clear that Barrett was out of line.

 

I'm pretty sure Pierzynski said something to him that set him off.

 

I'm interested to hear what Micheal has to say. I really don't think AJ said anything. I think Michael said his piece and just nailed him. In the replays the only time AJP's lips move are when they are flapping around after he got jacked in the face.

[XZero771679666304]

The collision was perfectly clean, but it did look like AJ may have leaned into Barrett after the play. The smart move for Bare would have been to let AJ bump him so AJ could draw an ejection. Unfortunately that plate slap made Bare lose his cool.

 

Listening to 720 all game, Hughes said AJ was walking to pick up his helmet.

 

That's pure speculation. He may have, he may not have been, Pat Hughes certainly doesn't know any better than anybody else that watched it.

 

Whether you believe it or not (and I am not sure I do), AJ said that's what he was doing on the Fox postgame. The Helmet WAS behind Barrett though.

 

Yeah, i think it's safe to give AJP the benefit of the doubt on this one.

 

BTW, AJP was just interviewed on ESPNews, and apparently Barrett said this:

 

"I didn't have the ball b----"

 

Then jacked him.

 

:lol:

At least Barrett addressed AJ with a level of respect commensurate with the status AJ has earned in the league.

[SouthSideRyan]

The collision was perfectly clean, but it did look like AJ may have leaned into Barrett after the play. The smart move for Bare would have been to let AJ bump him so AJ could draw an ejection. Unfortunately that plate slap made Bare lose his cool.

 

Listening to 720 all game, Hughes said AJ was walking to pick up his helmet.

 

That's pure speculation. He may have, he may not have been, Pat Hughes certainly doesn't know any better than anybody else that watched it.

 

Whether you believe it or not (and I am not sure I do), AJ said that's what he was doing on the Fox postgame. The Helmet WAS behind Barrett though.

 

I put negative stock in what Pierzysnki says he did.

[Priorknowledge]

Screw you Dusty. Try sticking up for your players, you ass.

 

"I asked Michael what happened and Michael said he (Pierzynski) hit him without the ball, but that's baseball to me," Cubs manager Dusty Baker said

From the Yahoo game recap.

 

My problem with Dusty is that, if anything, he sticks up for his players way too much. I just wish he would call out Jones for the shoddy baseball running.

[UMFan83]

Did anyone hear AJs and Barretts comments

 

AJ said he was simply trying to grab his helmet, and thought Barrett was approaching him to ask him if he was ok (and AJ was going to ask the same) when he got punched.

 

I doubt thats true

 

Barrett said he had no idea why AJ was approaching him, and if he just walked to his dugout, nothing would have happened.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Trucking over Barrett is clean I guess, but it's still uncalled for unless you can see the guy has the ball. The same way that when Capuano tried to bluff a tag when Cedeno(?) was retreating to first when there was no throw coming in order to coax a slide. Barrett took exception the same way that Sarge did when that happened, add in the fact that we're on a big slide and it's AJP doing the instigating and you get the brawl.

[XZero771679666304]

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Is there ever a bad or inappropriate reason to deck AJP? I think not.

 

 

But seriously, the Cubs are so bad, I'll take my entertainment wherever I can get it.

[NCCubFan]

Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself and your team or you will be run over and disrespected all the time.

But not when the likely outcome is going to be losing a player the Cubs absolutely cannot afford to lose for several games. I'm a Barrett fan, but the cost of his actions to an already decimated team is high enough he simply HAD to turn the other cheek and keep himself from getting suspended.

[USSoccer]

So I forget to set my TiVo and miss a brawl. Typical.

 

Is there a video anywhere of this?

[bc2k]

I'm embarrassed to be a Cubs fan today. Not because of the losing effort on the field, but because of the unsportsmanlike, baby-fit that Barrett threw.

 

It's not cool to get into physical fights. You're not any more of a man for punching others in the face. In fact, I think it's white trash behavior. It's disturbing some fans celebrate this.

 

Barrett was blocking the plate and AJ ran through him. It was not a dirty play on AJ's part. AJ saw that Anderson hit a shallow fly ball to left and knew he was a slow runner so the play at home would likely be close. Add to the fact that AJ couldn't see the throw developing behind him, but had to know it was close since Barrett otherwise wouldn't be blocking the plate, and you can realize that this is a clean play and a part of baseball.

 

Its also prissy (in everyday speak I'd use another word that is p---y') behavior to take crap and not do anything about it. Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself and your team or you will be run over and disrespected all the time.

 

There are some things going for blind masculine violence.

 

I disagree with the behavior of saving face when "disrespected" because a man needs to have street credibility. That's white trash behavior and doesn't have any place on the baseball diamond either.

 

I also disagree that Barrett was "disrespected" by AJ. That's a play that happens routinely in the game of baseball.

[adamb0719]

So I forget to set my TiVo and miss a brawl. Typical.

 

Is there a video anywhere of this?

 

ESPN News has already shown it twice, and they are showing AJ talking about it right now.

[Butterscup1679666578]

So I forget to set my TiVo and miss a brawl. Typical.

 

Is there a video anywhere of this?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctsYoWLgtuY

[USSoccer]

Is that Guillen in the middle of that mess?

 

Wow. Way to get yourself suspended when our offense already sucks, Mike.

[Caryatid]

I'm embarrassed to be a Cubs fan today. Not because of the losing effort on the field, but because of the unsportsmanlike, baby-fit that Barrett threw.

 

It's not cool to get into physical fights. You're not any more of a man for punching others in the face. In fact, I think it's white trash behavior. It's disturbing some fans celebrate this.

 

Barrett was blocking the plate and AJ ran through him. It was not a dirty play on AJ's part. AJ saw that Anderson hit a shallow fly ball to left and knew he was a slow runner so the play at home would likely be close. Add to the fact that AJ couldn't see the throw developing behind him, but had to know it was close since Barrett otherwise wouldn't be blocking the plate, and you can realize that this is a clean play and a part of baseball.

 

Its also prissy (in everyday speak I'd use another word that is p---y') behavior to take crap and not do anything about it. Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself and your team or you will be run over and disrespected all the time.

 

There are some things going for blind masculine violence.

 

I disagree with the behavior of saving face when "disrespected" because a man needs to have street credibility. That's white trash behavior and doesn't have any place on the baseball diamond either.

 

I also disagree that Barrett was "disrespected" by AJ. That's a play that happens routinely in the game of baseball.

 

I haven't seen a guy barrel into a catcher who didn't have the ball for years. Its typical Pierzynski behavior-do something that's totally unncessary, but just barely within the rules, so you can have some deniability. I, for one, am glad that Barrett did what he did. While Pierzynski may not have deserved it for this one incident, think of it as a lifetime achivement award.

 

As far as the suspension, you all should spare your indignation. This team is going nowhere anyway. Losing Barrett for 10 days might change their record over that span from 2-8 to 1-9. It was pretty much the only entertaining thing this Cubs team has done this whole year.

Edited May 20, 2006 by Caryatid

[XZero771679666304]

Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself and your team or you will be run over and disrespected all the time.

But not when the likely outcome is going to be losing a player the Cubs absolutely cannot afford to lose for several games. I'm a Barrett fan, but the cost of his actions to an already decimated team is high enough he simply HAD to turn the other cheek and keep himself from getting suspended.

 

I think things are going to get worse before they get better, behavior-wise.

 

We may see a circus atmosphere that would make P.T. Barnum envious before it's all over.

 

Not that it will make much of a difference one way or the other.

[Too Tall]

I want to see video of Mabry and Anderson fighting, it sounded pretty comical..

 

That video is awesome (sucks that we are going to have .053 Blanco for a few weeks though) but atleast someone on the team acts like they care.

[E.J.]

Is that Guillen in the middle of that mess?

 

Wow. Way to get yourself suspended when our offense already sucks, Mike.

 

Barrett was probably thinking he could kill 2 birds with one stone. He'd be the guy that finally got to hit AJ, and he'd get the next 7 or so days off instead of playing on this ridiculous team.