Baker's world of delusion

[badger1679666666]

"His location was off tonight," said Cubs manager Dusty Baker, who was optimistic despite the loss. "We got beat by a hot team. To me the worst is over. Guys are starting to hit the ball good. We don't have much to show for it, but we're having good at-bats. We have to go to San Francisco and get it going. It's simple."

 

 

"You can see it coming," Baker said of his team. "You know you're better than this. We're in a bad streak in a bad way. No matter what we tried, it didn't work, and everything they tried worked. I'm very optimistic. I'm more optimistic now than when we came here.

 

"Sometimes there's nothing you can do about it," Baker said. "You've got to ride it out. It's simple."

 

 

1) Quit trying stupid stuff like Sac bunting all game long

2) Quit playing crappy players like Bynum for Murton

3) No, nothing is going good.

4) There isn't anything you can do about it, because you're a crappy manager and this is a crappy team

5) If it's so simple, then do something.

 

I wonder what it's like to not even have to take Acid or Mushrooms and get the delusions and hallucinations that Baker experiences daily?

[SouthSideRyan]

These type of complaints always annoy me. Yes the team has been horrible, and it's quite likely that Dusty understands that. What do you want him to say. Coming out and saying we've played like **** does nothing for anybody.

[badger1679666666]

These type of complaints always annoy me. Yes the team has been horrible, and it's quite likely that Dusty understands that. What do you want him to say. Coming out and saying we've played like **** does nothing for anybody.

 

Maybe light a fire under someone's ass. Make them respond to that perceived slight of manhood. Fire them up to be more prideful?

 

Quit trying to be everyone's freaking friend Dusty, and call em out. Kissing everyone's but and trying to paint a rosy picture isn't changing anyone's views.

 

I want dusty to say "we've been horrible. We haven't been good. Our pitching has sucked, our hitting has sucked. Our fundamentals have been piss poor, and these guys need to respond".

 

Don't try to tell me it's simple, and this is just bad luck, ane we're hitting it good.

[badgercub]

These type of complaints always annoy me. Yes the team has been horrible, and it's quite likely that Dusty understands that. What do you want him to say. Coming out and saying we've played like **** does nothing for anybody.

 

But holding players accountable for missing cutoff men and continuously making baserunning mistakes would probably help. I don't care if Jacque Jones is starting to hit the ball, you need to send a message that those kind of mistakes will not be tolerated, and sit him on the bench.

[thedaymen]

I know people will point out that he hasn't ever won a title, but lets do a quick amount of trivia time to try and make a point.

 

Can you name me the longest current tenured team head coach in professional sports (in America)?

 

Its Jerry Sloan, of the Utah Jazz; and the man has never had a problem calling players out in public, the media, whatever. You don't hustle, you don't run the offense, your butt is on the bench whether you're Greg Ostertag or Karl Malone.

 

And its been succesful...one year of sub .500 ball in over 20 as a head coach. Yeah, he had Stockton to Malone for most of that, but he also had Conference finals teams starting guys like Ostertag, Bobby Hanson, Greg Foster, David Benoit.....

[Irrelevant Dude]

I'm more optimistic now than when we came here.

I agree Dusty. 3 games under .500 is much better than 1 over.

[TheDude]

"His location was off tonight," said Cubs manager Dusty Baker, who was optimistic despite the loss. "We got beat by a hot team. To me the worst is over. Guys are starting to hit the ball good. We don't have much to show for it, but we're having good at-bats. We have to go to San Francisco and get it going. It's simple."

 

 

"You can see it coming," Baker said of his team. "You know you're better than this. We're in a bad streak in a bad way. No matter what we tried, it didn't work, and everything they tried worked. I'm very optimistic. I'm more optimistic now than when we came here.

 

"Sometimes there's nothing you can do about it," Baker said. "You've got to ride it out. It's simple."

 

 

1) Quit trying stupid stuff like Sac bunting all game long

2) Quit playing crappy players like Bynum for Murton

3) No, nothing is going good.

4) There isn't anything you can do about it, because you're a crappy manager and this is a crappy team

5) If it's so simple, then do something.

 

I wonder what it's like to not even have to take Acid or Mushrooms and get the delusions and hallucinations that Baker experiences daily?

 

I love how you quote Baker and list out 5 points, and yet only two of the five points (3,5) actually addresses any material from the quotes, and those two don't have any substance.

 

That doesn't make any sense. If you want bash Dusty, go right ahead. But don't wrap it comments that don't have anything to do with your particular criticism.

 

Most of what Dusty said is true and the rest is fluff typical of all managers that give 350 questions and answer media talks every year.

[badgercub]

"His location was off tonight," said Cubs manager Dusty Baker, who was optimistic despite the loss. "We got beat by a hot team. To me the worst is over. Guys are starting to hit the ball good. We don't have much to show for it, but we're having good at-bats. We have to go to San Francisco and get it going. It's simple."

 

 

"You can see it coming," Baker said of his team. "You know you're better than this. We're in a bad streak in a bad way. No matter what we tried, it didn't work, and everything they tried worked. I'm very optimistic. I'm more optimistic now than when we came here.

 

"Sometimes there's nothing you can do about it," Baker said. "You've got to ride it out. It's simple."

 

 

1) Quit trying stupid stuff like Sac bunting all game long

2) Quit playing crappy players like Bynum for Murton

3) No, nothing is going good.

4) There isn't anything you can do about it, because you're a crappy manager and this is a crappy team

5) If it's so simple, then do something.

 

I wonder what it's like to not even have to take Acid or Mushrooms and get the delusions and hallucinations that Baker experiences daily?

 

I love how you quote Baker and list out 5 points, and yet only two of the five points (3,5) actually addresses any material from the quotes, and those two don't have any substance.

 

That doesn't make any sense. If you want bash Dusty, go right ahead. But don't wrap it comments that don't have anything to do with your particular criticism.

 

Most of what Dusty said is true and the rest is fluff typical of all managers that give 350 questions and answer media talks every year.

 

Other than "his location was off tonight" and "we are going to San Francisco" I didn't find much of what he said to be true. It was hopeful, but in my mind it wasn't true.

[Sosa21MVP]

If Dusty is accurate in his assessments then I reckon the Cubs should at least win 2 of 3 in San Francisco correct? 8)

 

I have not had the stomach to even attempt watching any of those games in San Diego. I'll make myself watch tonight though.

[CubDad4Ever]

I agree with the Dude. The quotes people use to justify Dusty Bashing are ingnorant at best. I watch every game and he not only addresses problems. JP missing the cutoff man. He does like someone coaching men should do it. I coach high school kids . When something needs addressed i do it , but try to remain positive. If that does not work playing time is a great motivator. Ive seen the cubs pull Rusch and Williams out of the rotation . move the lineup around and try a varitey of ways to bring this team out of the doldrums. The truth is two fold.

 

The talent level is lacking and The season has to be played out. Thats baseball. The other truth is if a team does not when enough people lose their jobs. Everybody understands that one.

 

That being said Dusty is not perfect nor is he the boob , some people here try to make him into. Not on this team. Coach L

[daske17]

I know it's been said in the past that Dusty will address players directly with their faults if things go wrong. That's one of his perceived strengths as a manger and partially why he's seen as a "player's manager."

 

It's sort of like a parent waiting until they're in private to yell at their kids. There's no need to do it in a public forum if it can be avoided.

 

What good does telling the media "we stink" do for a team that's already pressing and demoralized. When Jerry Hairston struck out in the top of the fifth or sixth yesterday with two men in scoring position and two outs, the camera stuck with him. What did you see? An obviously frustrated player flip his bat in disgust and scream out an expletive.

 

It's not like the players come into the ballpark each day saying, "Gosh we suck. But the pay sure is good." These are people that are as frustrated as we are (well, maybe Aramis isn't, but I digress).

 

It is counter-productive for their boss to go out in public and keep the negativity going. Dusty is trying to put the best face on the Titanic. He recognizes how bad things are. He'd have to be braindead not to.

[halplm]

playing time is motivation for people that aren't vastly overpaid for years to come...

 

Jaque Jones isn't going to get a better deal than he has... nor are several other players on the team... DUSTY is the only one that can motivate them... and I'm pretty sure he won't be back... if he were going to be, his extension would have happened at the time of Hendry's...

 

It's going to be a long year...

[sethuel1]

Nope, he's a boob.

[CubfaninCA]

I agree with the Dude. The quotes people use to justify Dusty Bashing are ingnorant at best. I watch every game and he not only addresses problems. JP missing the cutoff man. He does like someone coaching men should do it. I coach high school kids . When something needs addressed i do it , but try to remain positive. If that does not work playing time is a great motivator. Ive seen the cubs pull Rusch and Williams out of the rotation . move the lineup around and try a varitey of ways to bring this team out of the doldrums. The truth is two fold.

 

The talent level is lacking and The season has to be played out. Thats baseball. The other truth is if a team does not when enough people lose their jobs. Everybody understands that one.

 

That being said Dusty is not perfect nor is he the boob , some people here try to make him into. Not on this team. Coach L

 

good post.

 

there's not much that can be done w/ the rotation. like you said, they yanked rusch and williams when they struggled, and brought up the kids many have been waiting for.

 

the area that baker hasn't addressed is the lack of platoon with jones and pierre. i can understand if he gives pierre more time, but they need to platoon jones.

[badger1679666666]

Nope, he's a boob.

 

Q4TANET

 

(Quoted for true and everlasting truth)

[CubDad4Ever]

Cubin Ca , Could not agree more. I just wish we had a better platoon option. Hairston has stunk and is clueless. We are short bodies my friends. Coach L

[K-Town]

These type of complaints always annoy me. Yes the team has been horrible, and it's quite likely that Dusty understands that. What do you want him to say. Coming out and saying we've played like **** does nothing for anybody.

 

 

Leyland: We Stunk. Next question.

 

Reporter: What bothered you the most?

 

Leyland: It was lackluster, the whole ball of wax was lackluster. We had a chance to take the series, take 3 out of 4, and we came out like we brought our luggage to the park like we had to play a game before we went on the road. That’s not good enough.

 

Reporter: It seems like this was your worst loss…

 

Leyland: Yeah we stunk period. We stunk and that’s not good enough. This stuff has been going on here before and it’s not going to happen here. We had a chance to take a series. I’m not talking about anyone in particular. I’m talking about the team, myself, the coaches, and everybody else included. It’s my responsiblity to have the team ready to play today, and they weren’t ready to play. They were ready to get on the plane and go to Oakland. If they won it was okay and if they lost it was okay. That’s not good enough

 

The Tigers went 12-3 right after that. Coincidence? Maybe, or maybe not. But I think that Leyland was brutally honest, and it certainly didn't hurt his team.

[badger1679666666]

^^^^^

 

That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about even though people like CubDad4ever and CubfaninCA will defend Dusty, this is the type of language I expect out of a manager.

 

These guys aren't girlscouts. They don't need to be coddled when they are completely sucking.

[goonys evil twin]

this is the type of language I expect out of a manager.

 

These guys aren't girlscouts. They don't need to be coddled when they are completely sucking.

 

Different managers have different approaches. If their thing works, so be it. Coddle or shred, I don't care, just get results.

 

The problem with Dusty is his approach hasn't worked for years now.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Chris Shelton: Hey Pudge, did you see the paper with what skip said about the series? It's not very nice.

 

Pudge: Now that I think about it, he's right. I guess I'll try harder.

[CubfaninCA]

These type of complaints always annoy me. Yes the team has been horrible, and it's quite likely that Dusty understands that. What do you want him to say. Coming out and saying we've played like **** does nothing for anybody.

 

 

Leyland: We Stunk. Next question.

 

Reporter: What bothered you the most?

 

Leyland: It was lackluster, the whole ball of wax was lackluster. We had a chance to take the series, take 3 out of 4, and we came out like we brought our luggage to the park like we had to play a game before we went on the road. That’s not good enough.

 

Reporter: It seems like this was your worst loss…

 

Leyland: Yeah we stunk period. We stunk and that’s not good enough. This stuff has been going on here before and it’s not going to happen here. We had a chance to take a series. I’m not talking about anyone in particular. I’m talking about the team, myself, the coaches, and everybody else included. It’s my responsiblity to have the team ready to play today, and they weren’t ready to play. They were ready to get on the plane and go to Oakland. If they won it was okay and if they lost it was okay. That’s not good enough

 

The Tigers went 12-3 right after that. Coincidence? Maybe, or maybe not. But I think that Leyland was brutally honest, and it certainly didn't hurt his team.

 

should have hired leyland. of course, he's not a moneyballer, so that wouldn't be sufficient either.

[K-Town]

Chris Shelton: Hey Pudge, did you see the paper with what skip said about the series? It's not very nice.

 

Pudge: Now that I think about it, he's right. I guess I'll try harder.

 

 

I assume that he didn't just say it in the paper. I assume that what he said "to the paper" was a paraphrase of what he told his team. If you think that there's zero chance of players taking something like that seriously, then why even have a manager? If your players respect you, I do believe they'll listen, and maybe even (gasp!) "try harder".

[CubDad4Ever]

The problem with results is people as good as Phil Jackson lose the first round when they lack talent. End of freakin story. Coaching can make a difference ( in my case , i probably mess my kids up) But i think baseball less than any sport can account for less talent with coaching. Dusty is a very solid manager. Not the best not the worst.

 

By the way Badger , i hate people like me , who defend others against ignorant attacks. Coach L

[K-Town]

The problem with results is people as good as Phil Jackson lose the first round when they lack talent. End of freakin story. Coaching can make a difference ( in my case , i probably mess my kids up) But i think baseball less than any sport can account for less talent with coaching. Dusty is a very solid manager. Not the best not the worst.

 

By the way Badger , i hate people like me , who defend others against ignorant attacks. Coach L

 

 

Right. But the Lakers might have been a lottery team without Jackson. So it's wrong to assume that he didn't make a difference, just because they lost in the first round.

 

My understanding is that Baker was brought to the Cubs because he's a "players' manager" (great motivator?). So when is he going to motivate Juan Pierre to hit the cut-off man? When is he going to motivate his players to take a few more pitches? He's a manager who makes alot of money. The Cubs should expect him to do more than simply fill out a lineup card every day.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The problem with results is people as good as Phil Jackson lose the first round when they lack talent. End of freakin story. Coaching can make a difference ( in my case , i probably mess my kids up) But i think baseball less than any sport can account for less talent with coaching. Dusty is a very solid manager. Not the best not the worst.

 

By the way Badger , i hate people like me , who defend others against ignorant attacks. Coach L

 

 

Right. But the Lakers might have been a lottery team without Jackson. So it's wrong to assume that he didn't make a difference, just because they lost in the first round.

 

My understanding is that Baker was brought to the Cubs because he's a "players' manager" (great motivator?). So when is he going to motivate Juan Pierre to hit the cut-off man? When is he going to motivate his players to take a few more pitches? He's a manager who makes alot of money. The Cubs should expect him to do more than simply fill out a lineup card every day.

 

Spoken like a true Cub fan. :wink: