Clines and Sarges advice to Murton

[cubweiser03]

During tonights radio broadcast Ron talked about Sarge and Clines hitting advice to Murton. They told him he needed to be more aggressive. Hes too patient. Are you kidding me?! Is this really his problem, dont they know this is one of his best assets he brings to the dish? If i was too be critical of Murton's swing its that he gets too much on top of the ball and has lot of ground balls and could finish his swing higher. Giving him advice to be more aggressive is the least of his problems and i dont think he really has any big problems. I dont know what pissed me of more during my ride, the Cubs getingt thumped or this bologne i heard about Clines and Sarge.

[Laura]

ugh

[Mark Priors Calves]

its still amazing nobody from this coaching staff was fired after the debacles of the '04 and '05 seasons.

[srbin84]

Let's just hope he's as coachable as CPatt.

[WrigleyField 22]

Let's just hope he's as coachable as CPatt.

 

LOL :lol:

 

Seriously I hope he realizes the coaches just suck and that he knows more on how to be a good hitter.

[Andy]

Great idea, fellas. Let's turn an OBP machine into Juan Pierre without the speed. Fantastic.

 

I hate this franchise.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

clines and sarge need to stfu and find somewhere else to instruct people, like McDonalds.

[Wheelimus]

Who cares. Murton is a good kid, he'll think "yeah, I'll be more aggressive...if I magically get more good pitches. I don't like to fail"

[USSoccer]

How these guys are still with this team after their performances is beyond me.

[Shilzzz]

:shock: just wow.

 

they get a kid who is very very patient basically dropped in their lap and they STILL try to mess the kid up. did they not learn anything from the patterson debacle?

 

:roll:

[ChgoAnge]

I think what they are saying is that he so patient that he sometimes gets behind in the count pretty quickly and then needs to protect the plate. It's good to work the count...but you don't always want to be put into an 0-2, 1-2 hole.

[cubweiser03]

I think what they are saying is that he so patient that he sometimes gets behind in the count pretty quickly and then needs to protect the plate. It's good to work the count...but you don't always want to be put into an 0-2, 1-2 hole.

 

I can see that side of the story but Murton at the same time has a very good BB/K ratio. He can hit if he gets behind in the count.

[YearofDaCubs]

its still amazing nobody from this coaching staff was fired after the debacles of the '04 and '05 seasons.

Totally agree. It's ridiculous but let's still go ahead and give everybody extensions!

[BWcubs21]

I will agree with the article to a certain extent in that Murton does need to be a little more aggresive in certain situations, but his approach overall should not be changed. I guess they are not use to having a player like Murton, but like someone said Murton is smart and will figure out things on his own.

[BigSlick]

its still amazing nobody from this coaching staff was fired after the debacles of the '04 and '05 seasons.

 

Don't you understand that OBP is pointless? You're not gonna walk in runs.

 

Fat people clog the basepaths.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love neifi perez.

 

 

 

 

 

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[NCCubFan]

its still amazing nobody from this coaching staff was fired after the debacles of the '04 and '05 seasons.

Totally agree. It's ridiculous but let's still go ahead and give everybody extensions!

Actually one coach was fired after 2004. They waved goodbye to Wavin' Wendell.

[CubsWin]

During tonights radio broadcast Ron talked about Sarge and Clines hitting advice to Murton. They told him he needed to be more aggressive. Hes too patient. Are you kidding me?! Is this really his problem, dont they know this is one of his best assets he brings to the dish? If i was too be critical of Murton's swing its that he gets too much on top of the ball and has lot of ground balls and could finish his swing higher. Giving him advice to be more aggressive is the least of his problems and i dont think he really has any big problems. I dont know what pissed me of more during my ride, the Cubs getingt thumped or this bologne i heard about Clines and Sarge.

Did Ron go into specifics about what Gene and Gary said to Matt?

 

Because if all Ron reported is the general statement you have written above, that Murton is too patient and needs to be more aggressive, the conclusions that can be drawn from that are few and far between.

 

Were they referring to every situation? If so, then the comments you have made are somewhat justified. But if they were referring to only certain situations, then I would say you have jumped the gun with your criticism.

 

Unfortunately, without more specific information on what the coaching actually was, any comment in support of or being critical of their coaching requires a rather large assumption and becomes pointless.

[WrigleyField 22]

During tonights radio broadcast Ron talked about Sarge and Clines hitting advice to Murton. They told him he needed to be more aggressive. Hes too patient. Are you kidding me?! Is this really his problem, dont they know this is one of his best assets he brings to the dish? If i was too be critical of Murton's swing its that he gets too much on top of the ball and has lot of ground balls and could finish his swing higher. Giving him advice to be more aggressive is the least of his problems and i dont think he really has any big problems. I dont know what pissed me of more during my ride, the Cubs getingt thumped or this bologne i heard about Clines and Sarge.

Did Ron go into specifics about what Gene and Gary said to Matt?

 

Because if all Ron reported is the general statement you have written above, that Murton is too patient and needs to be more aggressive, the conclusions that can be drawn from that are few and far between.

 

Were they referring to every situation? If so, then the comments you have made are somewhat justified. But if they were referring to only certain situations, then I would say you have jumped the gun with your criticism.

 

Unfortunately, without more specific information on what the coaching actually was, any comment in support of or being critical of their coaching requires a rather large assumption and becomes pointless.

 

Yea I would definately like to hear the context. Certain situations might call for a more agressive approach. I cant recall a specific time but maybe u gotta sometimes take a chance if it means a run. Right now at this point in the season if u miss o well. If you have a chance to make a difference without being TOO agressive take it. Especially for a young guy like Murt he should figure out what he can hit for when its important down the run.

 

I know this goes against what I said before what sometimes agressive might pay off. Matt should figure out now between when and when not to be agressive.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I will agree with the article to a certain extent in that Murton does need to be a little more aggresive in certain situations, but his approach overall should not be changed. I guess they are not use to having a player like Murton, but like someone said Murton is smart and will figure out things on his own.

 

I think people are overreacting to what Clines/Sarge are saying. I also believe they meant that Murton needs to be 'selectively aggressive.' Look both Bellhorn and Choi BOTH had a problem with letting too many good pitches go, so they can "work the count". And because of this "passiveness" teams went after them and put them in a 0-2 hole before the blink of an eye, which forces the batter to alter his apprach. And that was the main reason why both Bellhorn and Choi struggled. There is nothing wrong with working the count, but if you get your pitch early in the count, be aggressive. I believe that is what Sarge/Cline meant. But Cubs fans---rightfully so---have become PARANOID when it comes to what is spew out of the coaches mouth. Again...I do believe Murton needs to be "selectively aggressive."

[biittner77]

Gary Matthews the player was not above drawing a walk. In fact, he drew over 100 of them in 1984. I'm really not worried about him ruining Murton's approach.

 

It does however make me very nervous when I hear that both Matthews and Clinesa are giving him hitting advice because that probably means that Baker will be giving advice too. All players are different but it seems to me that it's a lot easier having only one guy telling him what to do.

[Mark Priors Calves]

its still amazing nobody from this coaching staff was fired after the debacles of the '04 and '05 seasons.

Totally agree. It's ridiculous but let's still go ahead and give everybody extensions!

Actually one coach was fired after 2004. They waved goodbye to Wavin' Wendell.

 

How could I forget that one? Wasn't Dusty supposedly a little ticked off that Hendy let Wendell go?

[BigbadB]

Murton hasn't been in the bigs very long, but from what I've seen of him so far, the person most qualified to be giving hitting advice in the Cubs dugout is Matt Murton.

[biittner77]

its still amazing nobody from this coaching staff was fired after the debacles of the '04 and '05 seasons.

Totally agree. It's ridiculous but let's still go ahead and give everybody extensions!

Actually one coach was fired after 2004. They waved goodbye to Wavin' Wendell.

 

With the increase in team speed, waving wendell wouldn't be nearly as bad.

[bhogg]

Funny, but according to baseball-reference, the Sarge is the most similar batter to Dusty and vice versa.

[NCCubFan]

its still amazing nobody from this coaching staff was fired after the debacles of the '04 and '05 seasons.

Totally agree. It's ridiculous but let's still go ahead and give everybody extensions!

Actually one coach was fired after 2004. They waved goodbye to Wavin' Wendell.

 

How could I forget that one? Wasn't Dusty supposedly a little ticked off that Hendy let Wendell go?

I don't remember what Dusty's reaction was, but that wouldn't surprise me.

 

And even though Kim was the only coach fired, two other coaches (Sarge and Clines) swapped duties.