Abreu at the deadline?

[SouthSideRyan]

I for one would hate to see the Cubs have to give up major league talent again like they did in the A-Ram and Nomar trades.

[Guest]

I for one would hate to see the Cubs have to give up major league talent again like they did in the A-Ram and Nomar trades.

Let alone the Lee trade, eh?

[srbin84]

Well, right now Cedeno and Murton are the Hill and Choi of this team, and I personally don't want to trade them for Abreu.

[CubinNY]

If Jones flames out completely, you know what I'd rather do than chase Abreu?

 

What do the Mets need? Since they apparently have no intention of actually playing Victor Diaz, I'd see what it'd take to pry him away.

 

I like Diaz but I don't think he is a difference maker. He is also a guy without a position. They've tried him everywhere and he has stunk it up in the field.

 

I do think he is a Chicagoan though.

[rjchapma]

Its defintley because of our offense buddy. We need more pitching and pitching has been our problem ever since the playoffs in 03.

[David]

Its defintley because of our offense buddy. We need more pitching and pitching has been our problem ever since the playoffs in 03.

 

Did this post make no sense to anyone else? :?:

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I think there's a veteran in the Dominican that might be able to help us out some in RF.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think there's a veteran in the Dominican that might be able to help us out some in RF.

 

Say it ain't so Don!

[Outshined_One]

I think there's a veteran in the Dominican that might be able to help us out some in RF.

 

Moises? ;)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I was thinking the same thing this morning, DKWG.

[soccer10k]

Our team will win or lose b/c of pitching, not Abreu in RF.

 

Give me a break. Pitching has not been the problem with this team, its been offense. It has alwys been offense, last year the Cubs were near the top in HRs, SLG, and BA. And only in the middle of the pack in runs scored. Same in 2003 and 2004. The Cubs have the pitching to win, but not the offense.

 

So are you saying the Cubs shouldn't try to upgrade? That is pretty assinine.

 

Its defintley because of our offense buddy. We need more pitching and pitching has been our problem ever since the playoffs in 03.

 

Didn't we solve the relief pitching problem with the Howry, Eyre, and Williamson signings? I think we have enough starting pitching to get by. I think we should give Ronny, Murton, and Jones a chance to produce before we go out and trade good starting pitching to get Abreu. Don't forget we traded away Cy Young runner up Dontrelle Willis.

[CubsWin]

The Phillies have pretty good talent that they'll want to cash in on while they're cheap and under contract (Rollins, Utley, Howard), but their pitching is just a mess. If they go through a rebuilding process, the Philadelphia fans won't be all that kind to them.

 

What's going to matter is how the Cubs' pitching prospects perform up to the deadline. It will take top of the line pitching to land Abreu. If Guzman tears his rotator cuff, Rich Hill goes Ankiel on us, Marshall busts spectacularly, and so on, then I don't think the Cubs will have the ammo to trade for Abreu. However, if Hill regains his consistency, Guzman blows away AAA, and Marshall posts good numbers in the majors...options will present themselves.

My thoughts exactly, Outshined.

 

The Cubs ability to trade for a RFer this summer will be based mostly on how their pitching depth performs. If Novoa and Aardsma are blowing away AAA, they or players like Williamson or Wuertz can be traded. If two of Marshall, Hill or Guzman are going strong and Wood and Prior return, then Jerome Williams can be traded along with one of Marshall, Hill or Guzman.

 

Assuming all of the above mentioned pitchers are performing well and healthy, which isn't likely but is possible, the Cubs could put together a package of two major league ready starters under the age of 25 along with a solid reliever. That may be enough to convince the Phillies to dump Abreu's salary, it may not. Including a bat like Murton's would hurt, but with Jones able to take over left, it would likely be worth it to add a bat like Abreu's.

 

But, all of that is just talk unless young Cubs players like Marshall, Hill, Guzman, Aardsma, Novoa, Wuertz, Murton and others perform well.

[NorthsideAvenger]

The Cubs won't go after Abreu, simply because going after Bobby would ultimately mean the Cubs felt they made a mistake by signing Jones. For the ups and down, I don't see the Cubs moving Jones (at least not in the first yr of the deal), and I differently don't see Hendry admitting he made a mistake by signing Jones, until after the 2007 season or 2nd yr of the deal.

 

I don't see the Cubs making any SIGNIFICANT move by the deadline. And the only deal I could see getting done, would be getting a RH POP off the bench. But Abreu is all but a pipedream right now.

[Backtobanks]

The Cubs won't go after Abreu, simply because going after Bobby would ultimately mean the Cubs felt they made a mistake by signing Jones. For the ups and down, I don't see the Cubs moving Jones (at least not in the first yr of the deal), and I differently don't see Hendry admitting he made a mistake by signing Jones, until after the 2007 season or 2nd yr of the deal.

 

I don't see the Cubs making any SIGNIFICANT move by the deadline. And the only deal I could see getting done, would be getting a RH POP off the bench. But Abreu is all but a pipedream right now.

 

If Pie progresses the way we all hope he will, I think Jones will be gone after this year. It is still early, but I think Hendry likes what Pierre brings to the table and is sold on Murton being a solid major league OF for many years. I don't think anyone will view going after Abreu is an admission of a mistake by Hendry. Abreu was not available for the right price when Jones was signed. Jones was the best option (according to Hendry) for RF, but times and situations change according to the standings and the calendar.

[BigbadB]

I think the Cubs will need these kids to step up, not for trade purposes, but rather for the hole in the rotation next year. Williams is my #1 trade candidate at the deadline. Maddux may retire or possibly not resigned. Wood is in the last year of his contract. That leaves Zambrano and Prior as the fixtures in the rotation. If Wade Miller works out, bring him back. There has been no interest shown in bringing back Wood.

 

I'm not sure the Cubs will be in a position to trade all their young pitching prospects for Abreu. Not all of these prospects are going to work out.

[Lefty]

I thought of this last night. I was gonna start a new thread.

 

I think we'll extend Pierre and make Pie the centerpiece of a trade that includes Jaque Jones, a pitching prospect or two, and some cash for Abreu. I am on record on this board as having the Cubs winning the division, so if the Phillies fall apart, Abreu will be available and we will be looking. I just hope the Red Sox don't covet him.

[rjchapma]

My thoughts we need to sign Dlee, Aramis, and Pierre for another 3 years at least. Secondly trade for another starter just in case all of our injured pitchers dont recover. I think Pie could be very good, but if we can get someone good for him Id get rid of him. I like Murton, Jones, and Pierre in the outfield and Cedeno is looking solid a SS. Thats what I think we should do. No need for the bat we need the pitching.

[Lefty]

My thoughts we need to sign Dlee, Aramis, and Pierre for another 3 years at least. Secondly trade for another starter just in case all of our injured pitchers dont recover. I think Pie could be very good, but if we can get someone good for him Id get rid of him. I like Murton, Jones, and Pierre in the outfield and Cedeno is looking solid a SS. Thats what I think we should do. No need for the bat we need the pitching.

 

We need a bat. Jones in RF is an embarassment.

[NCCubFan]

We need a bat. Jones in RF is an embarassment.

Yeah, he sure was embarassing last night. :D

[Backtobanks]

I thought of this last night. I was gonna start a new thread.

 

I think we'll extend Pierre and make Pie the centerpiece of a trade that includes Jaque Jones, a pitching prospect or two, and some cash for Abreu. I am on record on this board as having the Cubs winning the division, so if the Phillies fall apart, Abreu will be available and we will be looking. I just hope the Red Sox don't covet him.

 

I do think the Cubs will end up trading Jones, but not in a deal for Abreu. I'm sure the Phillies would want all young prospects for rebuilding purposes. Taking Jones and his $5 million contract would run counter to rebuilding and dumping salary.

[Lefty]

I thought of this last night. I was gonna start a new thread.

 

I think we'll extend Pierre and make Pie the centerpiece of a trade that includes Jaque Jones, a pitching prospect or two, and some cash for Abreu. I am on record on this board as having the Cubs winning the division, so if the Phillies fall apart, Abreu will be available and we will be looking. I just hope the Red Sox don't covet him.

 

I do think the Cubs will end up trading Jones, but not in a deal for Abreu. I'm sure the Phillies would want all young prospects for rebuilding purposes. Taking Jones and his $5 million contract would run counter to rebuilding and dumping salary.

 

My deal has cash going to Philly in the trade. If they get Pie and Hill or Guzman, with Jones and the money to pay him, they wouldn't be getting what they need? It all depends on the Phils being bad enough to figure that a 32 year-old OFer is not going to be around when they next contend.

[BigbadB]

My deal has cash going to Philly in the trade. If they get Pie and Hill or Guzman, with Jones and the money to pay him, they wouldn't be getting what they need? It all depends on the Phils being bad enough to figure that a 32 year-old OFer is not going to be around when they next contend.

 

How bad is a free agent signing that has the recently signed player involved in every trade discussion, and also includes sending cash along with him in the deal?

 

Albatross contracts. The Cubs have had them. Todd Hundley and Sammy Sosa on the back end of his contract are of recent note.

 

It's as if these GM's didn't get enough flak over bad contracts. Now, it's "thank you, may I have another?"

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

My deal has cash going to Philly in the trade. If they get Pie and Hill or Guzman, with Jones and the money to pay him, they wouldn't be getting what they need? It all depends on the Phils being bad enough to figure that a 32 year-old OFer is not going to be around when they next contend.

 

How bad is a free agent signing that has the recently signed player involved in every trade discussion, and also includes sending cash along with him in the deal?

 

Albatross contracts. The Cubs have had them. Todd Hundley and Sammy Sosa on the back end of his contract are of recent note.

 

It's as if these GM's didn't get enough flak over bad contracts. Now, it's "thank you, may I have another?"

 

FWIW I don't think the Cubs org shares most NSBB posters' opinion of Jones.

[BigbadB]

My deal has cash going to Philly in the trade. If they get Pie and Hill or Guzman, with Jones and the money to pay him, they wouldn't be getting what they need? It all depends on the Phils being bad enough to figure that a 32 year-old OFer is not going to be around when they next contend.

 

How bad is a free agent signing that has the recently signed player involved in every trade discussion, and also includes sending cash along with him in the deal?

 

Albatross contracts. The Cubs have had them. Todd Hundley and Sammy Sosa on the back end of his contract are of recent note.

 

It's as if these GM's didn't get enough flak over bad contracts. Now, it's "thank you, may I have another?"

 

FWIW I don't think the Cubs org shares most NSBB posters' opinion of Jones.

 

And that's honestly quite a shame. Because if "most NSBB posters" knew it was a poor idea to give Jacque Jones a 3 year deal, you would hope that the Cubs org would know it even more.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

My deal has cash going to Philly in the trade. If they get Pie and Hill or Guzman, with Jones and the money to pay him, they wouldn't be getting what they need? It all depends on the Phils being bad enough to figure that a 32 year-old OFer is not going to be around when they next contend.

 

How bad is a free agent signing that has the recently signed player involved in every trade discussion, and also includes sending cash along with him in the deal?

 

Albatross contracts. The Cubs have had them. Todd Hundley and Sammy Sosa on the back end of his contract are of recent note.

 

It's as if these GM's didn't get enough flak over bad contracts. Now, it's "thank you, may I have another?"

 

FWIW I don't think the Cubs org shares most NSBB posters' opinion of Jones.

 

And that's honestly quite a shame. Because if "most NSBB posters" knew it was a poor idea to give Jacque Jones a 3 year deal, you would hope that the Cubs org would know it even more.

 

The top Cubs scouts say otherwise. Honestly, I haven't watched Jones a whole lot, but from what I've seen he gets eaten alive by the inside fastball. What ML pitcher can't throw that? That long swing is crap as far as I'm concerned.

 

Some ppl think Jones was putting a lot of pressure on himself with no lineup protection in Minnesota the last 2 years. I think he's just overrated. His D is pretty good, even if the occaisional line drive eats him up. He charges the walls pretty fearlessly.

 

Pretty swing. Huge holes.