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Mark Prior is on an "accelerated schedule" while rehabbing in Arizona, according to pitching coach Larry Rothschild, and soon should be throwing off a mound for the first time since he was shut down with shoulder soreness

 

I don't understand. I thought the whole point of why he never pitched in ST was that he wasn't hurt, they were just taking it slow and easy to try to keep him injury free....and now that he was injured, we decide to accelerate him? That just doesn't make sense to me.

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or does it just mean the Cubs have moved up the date to "really" tell people what's wrong with him?

 

Might be on to something there Tarp

 

It would be funny if it wasn't true.

btw, I hope he's back soon.

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This is likely in response to how he felt after he was shut down. Rothschild was quoted as saying that he didn't lose any arm strength and was surprisingly responding really well to throwing probably a little too much. I'm not sure about why they're calling it that, but he was pretty close to throwing off the mound, anyways. Hopefully they don't push it too much, though they may be feeling that taking it too slowly before was the wrong approach.
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It was a cramp!!

 

Plus Prior and Woody have pride people. They read blogs and papers too. I bet they want to get back on the field more then you'll ever know.

 

This is good.

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Prior was never hurt. As per usual, he thought he was hurt, was examined, and it was determined he couldn't be in better health. They say he had a strain....maybe he did. But basically he just sat out spring training and is making up the time now.
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Prior was never hurt. As per usual, he thought he was hurt, was examined, and it was determined he couldn't be in better health. They say he had a strain....maybe he did. But basically he just sat out spring training and is making up the time now.

 

Maybe he just wanted to work on his tan a while longer.

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Prior was never hurt. As per usual, he thought he was hurt, was examined, and it was determined he couldn't be in better health. They say he had a strain....maybe he did. But basically he just sat out spring training and is making up the time now.

Despite a diagnosis by a medical doctor and several statements from O'Neal saying otherwise?

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Prior was never hurt. As per usual, he thought he was hurt, was examined, and it was determined he couldn't be in better health. They say he had a strain....maybe he did. But basically he just sat out spring training and is making up the time now.

Despite a diagnosis by a medical doctor and several statements from O'Neal saying otherwise?

 

Everytime Prior goes down for no apparent reason, he as everybody thinking it could be a torn rotator cuff or something and it's either A.)nothing B.)strain

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Prior was never hurt. As per usual, he thought he was hurt, was examined, and it was determined he couldn't be in better health. They say he had a strain....maybe he did. But basically he just sat out spring training and is making up the time now.

Despite a diagnosis by a medical doctor and several statements from O'Neal saying otherwise?

 

Oh, I thik he was hurt, but not badly at all. What were they going to say? "Mark is fine, it's just that he is a sissy."?

 

I don't doubt there was a slight strain, but I also question Mark's ability to differentiate between normal and abnormal pain. As for the diagnosis, I have gone to the doctor with what I knew was nothing and come out with an inflated diagnosis. If you really want to find something wrong, you will.

 

My bottom line opinion is this: Mark overreacted to his pain, the doctors found something very minor, and now they are pushing the time table because they know it can be pushed.

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Prior was never hurt. As per usual, he thought he was hurt, was examined, and it was determined he couldn't be in better health. They say he had a strain....maybe he did. But basically he just sat out spring training and is making up the time now.

Despite a diagnosis by a medical doctor and several statements from O'Neal saying otherwise?

 

Everytime Prior goes down for no apparent reason, he as everybody thinking it could be a torn rotator cuff or something and it's either A.)nothing B.)strain

No apparent reason? An injury doesn't have to be a torn rotator cuff. There are other things that can keep a pitcher out and have to be seriously monitored. I don't think anyone on the medical staff would argue that this wasn't something that required Prior to be checked out and shut down, even in hindsight.

 

 

I'm not going to rehash the old argument, but what the doctors found wasn't very minor. It was "mild" compared to what injuries to the rotator cuff muscles could be, but it wasn't something to just push aside. If Prior hadn't told Rothschild about this and they tried to pitch through it, they could have turned this into something much, much worse. Let's not forget that such an injury can really throw off a pitcher's mechanics and screw things up even further. And it is definitely not safe to assume that he's healthy right now. The Cubs know that. He's healthier, but it's still an issue that could very well come back and needs taken seriously.

 

They're increasing the pace right now because he's responding well. That doesn't really say anything about the severity of the injury.

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I agree with XZero. I think Prior has difficulty determining for himself the difference between, so eloquently stated by James Caan in The Program, "being hurt, and being injured."

 

He doesn't seem to know what kind of pain to pitch through and which kind not to. Maybe I wouldn't either, but I believe it causes a lot of his delays. I know two of his injuries were freak, but these constant delays to start the season speak to this potentially being a problem.

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I agree with XZero. I think Prior has difficulty determining for himself the difference between, so eloquently stated by James Caan in The Program, "being hurt, and being injured."

 

He doesn't seem to know what kind of pain to pitch through and which kind not to. Maybe I wouldn't either, but I believe it causes a lot of his delays. I know two of his injuries were freak, but these constant delays to start the season speak to this potentially being a problem.

 

I have nothing to back this up but pure speculation, but I suspect this is true. I wonder if some of his injuries would be something that most other pitchers would play through.

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I don't see other pitchers in the league having these kinds of problems.

 

Yeah, you never see pitchers hurt a muscle in their shoulder. Ever. It's nigh impossible for a pitcher to strain a shoulder muscle. I mean, how could that even happen?

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I don't see other pitchers in the league having these kinds of problems.

 

Yeah, you never see pitchers hurt a muscle in their shoulder. Ever. It's nigh impossible for a pitcher to strain a shoulder muscle. I mean, how could that even happen?

 

Name me other pitchers that have been on the DL 4 or 5 times for strains and the like in 4 years.

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This is likely in response to how he felt after he was shut down. Rothschild was quoted as saying that he didn't lose any arm strength and was surprisingly responding really well to throwing probably a little too much. I'm not sure about why they're calling it that, but he was pretty close to throwing off the mound, anyways. Hopefully they don't push it too much, though they may be feeling that taking it too slowly before was the wrong approach.

 

I would rather have Prior sit out a couple extra weeks to guarantee his health than have him get rushed back and get injured again. I just hope this "acceleration" doesn't lead to a setback.

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I don't see other pitchers in the league having these kinds of problems.

 

Yeah, you never see pitchers hurt a muscle in their shoulder. Ever. It's nigh impossible for a pitcher to strain a shoulder muscle. I mean, how could that even happen?

 

Name me other pitchers that have been on the DL 4 or 5 times for strains and the like in 4 years.

 

Prior's not on that list.

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I don't see other pitchers in the league having these kinds of problems.

 

Yeah, you never see pitchers hurt a muscle in their shoulder. Ever. It's nigh impossible for a pitcher to strain a shoulder muscle. I mean, how could that even happen?

 

Name me other pitchers that have been on the DL 4 or 5 times for strains and the like in 4 years.

 

Prior's not on that list.

 

Beat me to it.

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Prior was out in 2003 after collision with Marcus Giles...not a strain.

 

Prior was out in 2004 due to an inflamed achilles tendon.

 

Prior was out in 2005 because of a ball lined off his elbow causing a compression fracture...not a strain.

 

He's now out with a shoulder strain, though that's apparently gone.

 

2 freak injuries, 2 "strains". Why can't the guy just learn to pitch with a compression fracture for pete's sake????

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