Wood having arthro leg surgery now

[USSoccer]

Why are cubs fans so up in arms about this? Kerry's been an average and injury prone pitcher for awhile now. I think its time to stop with the sack cloth and ashes every time he has an boo boo.

 

Injury prone, yeah. Average, no. There's a difference between being bad, and just being injury prone. Kerry is injury prone, but not near "bad".

 

BTW, how's Ben Sheets' latest rehab going? :wink:

 

Im not saying Kerry Wood is a bad pitcher i'm saying at this point he's average. Maybe that's due to all the injuries, but the last two years have been pretty average.

 

Even in his best years ('01 and '03) he was only 8th and 9th in the league in era. Every year he's been in the top ten in K's he's also been in the top ten in BB. I don't think after all his injuries he can ever return to that 03 form, therefore I think of his as an average pitcher.

 

Ben Sheet's rehab is going well, no set backs yet. He's on pace to start opening day for the 5th straight year. First ST game for him tomorrow.

 

Only 8th and 9th in the league, eh? Out of how many starters? And that's not even factoring in BAA, WHIP, K/9ip...

 

I'd say he's decidedly above average. Oh, for a bit of health!

[Sheets4theHOF]

Only 8th and 9th in the league, eh? Out of how many starters? And that's not even factoring in BAA, WHIP, K/9ip...

 

Yeah, he sucks.

 

He was probably a top ten pitcher those seasons, but we're talking now. You think he'll ever return anywhere close to that form? I never said he sucks, but I think he's average at this point.

[Soul]

Why are cubs fans so up in arms about this? Kerry's been an average and injury prone pitcher for awhile now. I think its time to stop with the sack cloth and ashes every time he has an boo boo.

 

Injury prone, yeah. Average, no. There's a difference between being bad, and just being injury prone. Kerry is injury prone, but not near "bad".

 

BTW, how's Ben Sheets' latest rehab going? :wink:

 

Im not saying Kerry Wood is a bad pitcher i'm saying at this point he's average. Maybe that's due to all the injuries, but the last two years have been pretty average.

 

Even in his best years ('01 and '03) he was only 8th and 9th in the league in era. Every year he's been in the top ten in K's he's also been in the top ten in BB. I don't think after all his injuries he can ever return to that 03 form, therefore I think of his as an average pitcher.

 

Ben Sheet's rehab is going well, no set backs yet. He's on pace to start opening day for the 5th straight year. First ST game for him tomorrow.

 

Only 8th and 9th in the league, eh? Out of how many starters? And that's not even factoring in BAA, WHIP, K/9ip...

 

I'd say he's decidedly above average. Oh, for a bit of health!

 

The stuff is so nasty. But he's like the proverbial fake rabbit at a dog race. Oh, so tasty!! If it would just slow down a little....

[SeldomSeen]

First sign of Spring, no?

 

It's not the end of the world, and I agree with those who weren't expecting anything out of him until July. It's just that they string you along... he's looking great... Miller's throwing... Zambrano is in midseason form... Prior hasn't been hit by an asteroid... and then- reality. This is funny if not so typical.

[CP_414]

Only 8th and 9th in the league, eh? Out of how many starters? And that's not even factoring in BAA, WHIP, K/9ip...

 

Yeah, he sucks.

 

He was probably a top ten pitcher those seasons, but we're talking now. You think he'll ever return anywhere close to that form? I never said he sucks, but I think he's average at this point.

 

He is at the very least above average. Last season he had the worst ERA of his career at 4.23, but look deeper into his stat line. In 66 innings he had an ERA+ of 101, his WHIP was 1.18 he had 77 K's in those 66 innings.

 

In 2004 he had a 3.72 ERA, 122 ERA +, 1.26 WHIP, and 144 K's in 126 innings.

 

His last 2 years havn't been as good as 2001 and 2003 because he has been constantly injured or returning from injury, but it clearly is not "average". When he is on the mound, be is a very productive pitcher, he just needs to be on the mound more.

[USSoccer]

Only 8th and 9th in the league, eh? Out of how many starters? And that's not even factoring in BAA, WHIP, K/9ip...

 

Yeah, he sucks.

 

He was probably a top ten pitcher those seasons, but we're talking now. You think he'll ever return anywhere close to that form? I never said he sucks, but I think he's average at this point.

 

I think the 2003 workload might have permanently wrecked his chances to ever be a "great" pitcher, but he is still young enough to be very good. I don't know if his conditioning is lacking, or his diet, or what, but he's going to have to find a way to stay healthy, especially considering he's pitched the equivalent of 1 season the past 2 years.

 

Something has to give with him. This is his contract year, so he has to do *something*, else I can't fathom how anyone would offer him any kind of contract. It's frustrating as heck, though, because since we didn't strengthen the offense, we have to have our starters be top 5 to content.

 

Of course, with our luck, whoever gets him next will get a run of great health, and he'll win 100 games or something.

[2242005CY]

Wood should come out of the Bullpen for no other reason then it would limit the opportunities for him to get hurt. I'm sooooo over Wood, if it's not one thing it'll be another. He's just one of those people that are chronically aching and their body just can't hold up.

 

What a terrible waste. If the guy wasn't set for life, I'd actually feel sorry for the guy.

[Soul]

Dontrelle won't make more next year than the $9 million Maddux is making this year.

 

I get the frustration with the Wood situation. I think all Cubs fans are frustrated. If Baker and Hendry knew about Kerry's knee why didn't he have this surgery earlier? Do they want the Cubs to lose? Is it a cover-up for a bigger issue? What would they possibly have to gain by Wood missing more time as we approach the season?

 

How has the organization sold the idea of Prior and Wood fighting for the Cy Young? I know the national media has sold this notion, but how has the Cubs organization done that? The only reason the mational media has that perception is the 2003 playoffs, and they still don't realize how good Z is.

 

It's really the national media. I don't see Hendry, Baker, and MacPhail countering the notion though. I guess I don't expect them to.

 

But I also think they're holding back on injuries, hoping they'll turn out O.K. What really bothers me is, even if they do so with the best of intentions, after this many years of letdowns with these two they should simply disclose all the tweaks, aches & pains and let them fall where they fall. Because right or wrong, they look like liars every time an unpleasant suprise happens.

 

This knee injury probably started as a "tweak" and grew into a real problem (though it's not a full knee blowout obviously). They should just say it right up front. Hey, he's rehabbing from knee surgery and there's a tweak in his right knee we're looking at.

 

And I think it's time we, as Cub fans, just accept he's not going to be that healthy horse like Zambrano. You're absolutely right: Z is the stud of this squad, and really has been since '04.

[USSoccer]

Wood should come out of the Bullpen for no other reason then it would limit the opportunities for him to get hurt. I'm sooooo over Wood, if it's not one thing it'll be another. He's just one of those people that are chronically aching and their body just can't hold up.

 

What a terrible waste. If the guy wasn't set for life, I'd actually feel sorry for the guy.

 

I think the frequent use out of the pen would be worse that starting every 5 days, but I'd be happy if we could get him pitching, period.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Why are cubs fans so up in arms about this? Kerry's been an average and injury prone pitcher for awhile now. I think its time to stop with the sack cloth and ashes every time he has an boo boo.

 

Injury prone, yeah. Average, no. There's a difference between being bad, and just being injury prone. Kerry is injury prone, but not near "bad".

 

BTW, how's Ben Sheets' latest rehab going? :wink:

 

Im not saying Kerry Wood is a bad pitcher i'm saying at this point he's average. Maybe that's due to all the injuries, but the last two years have been pretty average.

 

Even in his best years ('01 and '03) he was only 8th and 9th in the league in era. Every year he's been in the top ten in K's he's also been in the top ten in BB. I don't think after all his injuries he can ever return to that 03 form, therefore I think of his as an average pitcher.

 

Ben Sheet's rehab is going well, no set backs yet. He's on pace to start opening day for the 5th straight year. First ST game for him tomorrow.

 

Wood's ERA+ for his career:

98: 128

00: 89

01: 126

02: 110

03: 133

04: 122

05: 101

 

Only one season has Wood had an ERA+ below average. Those numbers indicate an above average pitcher.

 

Sheets ERA +

01: 93

02: 96

03: 98

04: 154

05: 127

 

While the last two years Sheets has been very good, his early seasons were what you would call average or slightly below average.

 

Now certainly, both pitchers are young enough to do some great things, but there's nothing in the numbers that indicate Wood is any more average than Sheets is.

 

(And before anyone construes me as anti-Sheets, Sheets is likely my favorite non-Cub pitcher as I watched him cut his teeth at ULM. What I am trying to show, that despite his injuries, Wood is not an average or below average pitcher.)

[2242005CY]

Wood should come out of the Bullpen for no other reason then it would limit the opportunities for him to get hurt. I'm sooooo over Wood, if it's not one thing it'll be another. He's just one of those people that are chronically aching and their body just can't hold up.

 

What a terrible waste. If the guy wasn't set for life, I'd actually feel sorry for the guy.

 

I think the frequent use out of the pen would be worse that starting every 5 days, but I'd be happy if we could get him pitching, period.

 

I was actually being facetious. I know it's hard to tell with me. What I meant by limit his opportunities to get hurt, was less actual times he steps on top of a mound.

 

Seriously though, noone really knows whether or not coming out of the bullpen would actually be worse for him, it's really an individual thing, but I'm thinking that it really couldn't be any worse than him as a starter, could it?

[Sheets4theHOF]

I just think with all the injuries wood is building up it will be hard to return to top notch form. I see him as a #3 for the rest of his career. The thing I think will hurt Wood the most is his lack of control. When you start to lose a bit off your fastball and alittle tilt off your curve/slider, control becomes more and more important. He maybe 28 but that arm is a lot older.

 

Sheets took awhile to develop into the pitcher he is today. I think he's on the up swing though as wood is on the down.

[CP_414]

Dontrelle won't make more next year than the $9 million Maddux is making this year.

 

I get the frustration with the Wood situation. I think all Cubs fans are frustrated. If Baker and Hendry knew about Kerry's knee why didn't he have this surgery earlier? Do they want the Cubs to lose? Is it a cover-up for a bigger issue? What would they possibly have to gain by Wood missing more time as we approach the season?

 

How has the organization sold the idea of Prior and Wood fighting for the Cy Young? I know the national media has sold this notion, but how has the Cubs organization done that? The only reason the mational media has that perception is the 2003 playoffs, and they still don't realize how good Z is.

 

It's really the national media. I don't see Hendry, Baker, and MacPhail countering the notion though. I guess I don't expect them to.

 

But I also think they're holding back on injuries, hoping they'll turn out O.K. What really bothers me is, even if they do so with the best of intentions, after this many years of letdowns with these two they should simply disclose all the tweaks, aches & pains and let them fall where they fall. Because right or wrong, they look like liars every time an unpleasant suprise happens.

 

This knee injury probably started as a "tweak" and grew into a real problem (though it's not a full knee blowout obviously). They should just say it right up front. Hey, he's rehabbing from knee surgery and there's a tweak in his right knee we're looking at.

 

And I think it's time we, as Cub fans, just accept he's not going to be that healthy horse like Zambrano. You're absolutely right: Z is the stud of this squad, and really has been since '04.

 

I don't think Hendry, Baker, or MacPhail should care if fans think they are lying about injuries. If they realease every ache and pain Kerry and Prior have, they would REALLY create the perception that those two guys can't do anything without being hurt. Odds are that they probably disclose some of the injuries, and not most of the minor ones, but that is no different than any team.

 

The thing I really don't understand is the anger that some Cubs fans have towards Kerry Wood (Not you, but many fans in general). I am as frustrated as anyone by the injury problems, but it's not like he wants to be hurt. He has had some really tough luck. It sucks because we have all seen what he is capable of.

 

I believe if Wood pitches 180 innings he will be one of the 10-15 best pitchers in the league. This year that probably won't happen. Hopefully we can get 120 in 2006, and then 200 next year (for a lower salary than his option).

 

Hell, maybe these injury problems are a blessing in disguise. This could keep his long-term salary reasonable enough to afford Prior, Z, and another pitcher. Kerry Wood is not done yet.

[RynoRules]

Why are cubs fans so up in arms about this? Kerry's been an average and injury prone pitcher for awhile now. I think its time to stop with the sack cloth and ashes every time he has an boo boo.

 

Injury prone, yeah. Average, no. There's a difference between being bad, and just being injury prone. Kerry is injury prone, but not near "bad".

 

BTW, how's Ben Sheets' latest rehab going? :wink:

 

Im not saying Kerry Wood is a bad pitcher i'm saying at this point he's average. Maybe that's due to all the injuries, but the last two years have been pretty average.

 

Even in his best years ('01 and '03) he was only 8th and 9th in the league in era. Every year he's been in the top ten in K's he's also been in the top ten in BB. I don't think after all his injuries he can ever return to that 03 form, therefore I think of his as an average pitcher.

 

Ben Sheet's rehab is going well, no set backs yet. He's on pace to start opening day for the 5th straight year. First ST game for him tomorrow.

 

Guess that means he's an injury prone Nolan Ryan, and what an "average" pitcher he was! :roll:

[Soul]

Why are cubs fans so up in arms about this? Kerry's been an average and injury prone pitcher for awhile now. I think its time to stop with the sack cloth and ashes every time he has an boo boo.

 

Injury prone, yeah. Average, no. There's a difference between being bad, and just being injury prone. Kerry is injury prone, but not near "bad".

 

BTW, how's Ben Sheets' latest rehab going? :wink:

 

Im not saying Kerry Wood is a bad pitcher i'm saying at this point he's average. Maybe that's due to all the injuries, but the last two years have been pretty average.

 

Even in his best years ('01 and '03) he was only 8th and 9th in the league in era. Every year he's been in the top ten in K's he's also been in the top ten in BB. I don't think after all his injuries he can ever return to that 03 form, therefore I think of his as an average pitcher.

 

Ben Sheet's rehab is going well, no set backs yet. He's on pace to start opening day for the 5th straight year. First ST game for him tomorrow.

 

Wood's ERA+ for his career:

98: 128

00: 89

01: 126

02: 110

03: 133

04: 122

05: 101

 

Only one season has Wood had an ERA+ below average. Those numbers indicate an above average pitcher.

 

Sheets ERA +

01: 93

02: 96

03: 98

04: 154

05: 127

 

While the last two years Sheets has been very good, his early seasons were what you would call average or slightly below average.

 

Now certainly, both pitchers are young enough to do some great things, but there's nothing in the numbers that indicate Wood is any more average than Sheets is.

 

(And before anyone construes me as anti-Sheets, Sheets is likely my favorite non-Cub pitcher as I watched him cut his teeth at ULM. What I am trying to show, that despite his injuries, Wood is not an average or below average pitcher.)

 

No I totally agree. Wood's ability shouldn't be questioned. It's just......you know, # of starts/year. It wouldn't be hard at all to take his injuries if he was average. The fact that everyone's talking about it proves he's much better than average.

 

......and since you switched to Sasha, your posts are now the easiest to locate while scrolling down the page 8)

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

First sign of Spring, no?

 

It's not the end of the world, and I agree with those who weren't expecting anything out of him until July. It's just that they string you along... he's looking great... Miller's throwing... Zambrano is in midseason form... Prior hasn't been hit by an asteroid... and then- reality. This is funny if not so typical.

 

:lol:

[Sheets4theHOF]

Guess that means he's an injury prone Nolan Ryan, and what an "average" pitcher he was!

 

Maybe Ryan's success had something to do with his lack of injuries? Injuries and surgeries take a toll on a pitchers stuff.

[Keener98]

Woods injury sucks, but I still would like to know what the hell is the point of him throwing on Monday, a day before the surgery, is. Completely idiotic, I really an thinking Baker and Hendry have no clue at all regarding a smart way to handle an injury is. Just because the doctors say he wont hurt his knee more by throwing doesnt mean you should have him out there throwing the day before the damn surgery. Seriously, what is the point. Arrgh this team can be so frustrating at times.

[Balsa]

Kerry Wood to have surgery......and in other news, Christmas will be in December.

 

:lol: :lol:

[USSoccer]

Has anyone but Baker been quoted on Wood's status?

[Mark_R]

Why are cubs fans so up in arms about this? Kerry's been an average and injury prone pitcher for awhile now. I think its time to stop with the sack cloth and ashes every time he has an boo boo.

 

Injury prone, yeah. Average, no. There's a difference between being bad, and just being injury prone. Kerry is injury prone, but not near "bad".

 

BTW, how's Ben Sheets' latest rehab going? :wink:

 

I'm genuinely curious since I don't know the answer, but wasn't most of Sheets' injuries last season non arm related?

 

And Sheets is better than Wood when both are healthy, anyway.

[Jon]

Woods injury sucks, but I still would like to know what the hell is the point of him throwing on Monday, a day before the surgery, is. Completely idiotic, I really an thinking Baker and Hendry have no clue at all regarding a smart way to handle an injury is. Just because the doctors say he wont hurt his knee more by throwing doesnt mean you should have him out there throwing the day before the damn surgery. Seriously, what is the point. Arrgh this team can be so frustrating at times.

This is from Hendry:

"It's going to be a minor setback, but from a medical point of view, [team doctor Stephen Gryzlo] felt he could be throwing long toss even within a week after the surgery," Hendry said. "The 'pen today and the 'pen Monday will help build up his shoulder and try to minimize the setback as much as possible."

Without knowing anything about whether it could actually cause more damage or not, the logic seems about right (this time). If the surgery goes as planned, the real setback will be him losing arm strength. In theory, building it up before the surgery will mean that he has less ground to cover when he's able to get back on the mound. In theory.

[CP_414]

Woods injury sucks, but I still would like to know what the hell is the point of him throwing on Monday, a day before the surgery, is. Completely idiotic, I really an thinking Baker and Hendry have no clue at all regarding a smart way to handle an injury is. Just because the doctors say he wont hurt his knee more by throwing doesnt mean you should have him out there throwing the day before the damn surgery. Seriously, what is the point. Arrgh this team can be so frustrating at times.

This is from Hendry:

"It's going to be a minor setback, but from a medical point of view, [team doctor Stephen Gryzlo] felt he could be throwing long toss even within a week after the surgery," Hendry said. "The 'pen today and the 'pen Monday will help build up his shoulder and try to minimize the setback as much as possible."

Without knowing anything about whether it could actually cause more damage or not, the logic seems about right (this time). If the surgery goes as planned, the real setback will be him losing arm strength. In theory, building it up before the surgery will mean that he has less ground to cover when he's able to get back on the mound. In theory.

 

In theory Communism works. In theory.

 

I acutally don't have any problem with what the Cubs are doing here.

[Jon]

Woods injury sucks, but I still would like to know what the hell is the point of him throwing on Monday, a day before the surgery, is. Completely idiotic, I really an thinking Baker and Hendry have no clue at all regarding a smart way to handle an injury is. Just because the doctors say he wont hurt his knee more by throwing doesnt mean you should have him out there throwing the day before the damn surgery. Seriously, what is the point. Arrgh this team can be so frustrating at times.

This is from Hendry:

"It's going to be a minor setback, but from a medical point of view, [team doctor Stephen Gryzlo] felt he could be throwing long toss even within a week after the surgery," Hendry said. "The 'pen today and the 'pen Monday will help build up his shoulder and try to minimize the setback as much as possible."

Without knowing anything about whether it could actually cause more damage or not, the logic seems about right (this time). If the surgery goes as planned, the real setback will be him losing arm strength. In theory, building it up before the surgery will mean that he has less ground to cover when he's able to get back on the mound. In theory.

 

In theory Communism works. In theory.

 

I acutally don't have any problem with what the Cubs are doing here.

Well that didn't take long.

 

Neither do I. Unlike August of last year, this isn't a significant delay in his surgery and there seems to be a good reason behind it. Only the Cubs know how strong Kerry's arm is right now, so it's hard to judge whether or not these two extra bullpen sessions are meaningless or not. And it's quite possible that the surgery couldn't be scheduled until around that time, anyways.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Why are cubs fans so up in arms about this? Kerry's been an average and injury prone pitcher for awhile now. I think its time to stop with the sack cloth and ashes every time he has an boo boo.

 

Injury prone, yeah. Average, no. There's a difference between being bad, and just being injury prone. Kerry is injury prone, but not near "bad".

 

BTW, how's Ben Sheets' latest rehab going? :wink:

 

I'm genuinely curious since I don't know the answer, but wasn't most of Sheets' injuries last season non arm related?

 

And Sheets is better than Wood when both are healthy, anyway.

 

He had/has an issue with his ear and balance, however he ended the year walking off the mound with shoulder issues. It was certainly arm related.