Miguel Cabrera not a Marlin in 2007?

[CubfaninCA]

According to the article from the Newark Star-Ledger, seems Cabrera's contract will be too much for the Marlins after next year and that he'll become a nice trade bait.

 

I know the Cubs would probably not be the best match for a trade, but what would it take? Anyone care to take a guess?

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/02/27/truth.rumors.mlb/index.html

 

When have the Cubs ever got a guy like this?? Please don't answer Sosa cause he wasn't putting up monster years when they got him for Bell. A smarter organization will nab Cabrera, if he's available. Don't bet on the Cubs.

 

What about Lee? But I agree, the Cubs aren't gonna get this guy.

 

Lee was a great pickup, but he wasn't putting up a .945 ops at age 22. The Cubs nab guys under the radar. They don't go out and get stars.

[Outshined_One]

Lee was a great pickup, but he wasn't putting up a .945 ops at age 22. The Cubs nab guys under the radar. They don't go out and get stars.

 

I'm guessing Nomar doesn't count?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Wow. I knew the Marlins were slashing payroll, but how cheap does a team have to be to decide that first year arb-eligible players are too expensive?

 

Well, this is the same Newark Star-Ledger that said Mark Prior was going to have Tommy John surgery back in 2004.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Florida has a lot of young pitching now, but not enough young position players. I would think they'd be quite interested if Arizona offered Quentin, Jackson and Upton, and frankly, no--I do not think Arizona would be overpaying. Those are three monster prospects yes, but Cabrera is a superstar right NOW, and he's just 23, that's sick.

 

I think the Dodgers prospects are overrated to a degree, but obviously the Angels could get something done. Those would be the two teams, Angels and D-backs, that I'd be talking to were I serious about trading Cabrera.

 

Cubs? Not enough quality young talent to get a deal done. We have the QUANTITY of prospects, but we just don't have the top-end quality some other systems have. When I look at our system with an objective eye, it's hard for me to get extremely excited about anyone except Pie and Pawelek.

[SouthSideRyan]

Wow. I knew the Marlins were slashing payroll, but how cheap does a team have to be to decide that first year arb-eligible players are too expensive?

 

Well, this is the same Newark Star-Ledger that said Mark Prior was going to have Tommy John surgery back in 2004.

 

And said Maddux signed with the Yanks.

[CuseCubFan69]

Wow. I knew the Marlins were slashing payroll, but how cheap does a team have to be to decide that first year arb-eligible players are too expensive?

 

Cheap enough where they should be deleated from MLB. If this is true this team has to be contracted or moved now.

[CuseCubFan69]

Wow. I knew the Marlins were slashing payroll, but how cheap does a team have to be to decide that first year arb-eligible players are too expensive?

 

Well, this is the same Newark Star-Ledger that said Mark Prior was going to have Tommy John surgery back in 2004.

 

But they were right when they said Tommy John would need Tommy John surgery.

[RynoRules]

I'm not the only one who sees this as posturing done by a NY-area rag to increase circulation and attention, am I? You just know that Mets and Yankees fans are drooling over the idea of picking up Miggy. Then again, fans of pretty much every team would love to have him.

 

I'm not buying the idea. Since the Marlins are trying to move, they'd be smart to hang onto their young talent while it's cheap in order to puff up the perceived value of the franchise along with creating fan interest.

 

Granted, they could probably have their pick of the best prospects and overall players in baseball if they were to trade him (knowing the Marlins, it'd be prospects). However, prospects don't mean much when you're trying to get a fanbase excited about your team.

 

Cabrera in Yankee pinstripes makes a lot of sense. The question is what do they have to give the Fish; not much, I think.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm not the only one who sees this as posturing done by a NY-area rag to increase circulation and attention, am I? You just know that Mets and Yankees fans are drooling over the idea of picking up Miggy. Then again, fans of pretty much every team would love to have him.

 

I'm not buying the idea. Since the Marlins are trying to move, they'd be smart to hang onto their young talent while it's cheap in order to puff up the perceived value of the franchise along with creating fan interest.

 

Granted, they could probably have their pick of the best prospects and overall players in baseball if they were to trade him (knowing the Marlins, it'd be prospects). However, prospects don't mean much when you're trying to get a fanbase excited about your team.

 

Cabrera in Yankee pinstripes makes a lot of sense. The question is what do they have to give the Fish; not much, I think.

 

Maybe the Yankees could build them a stadium in exchange for Cabrera and Willis. 8-[

[frostwyrm]

It always amazes me when people talk about getting a Cabrera or Dunn while maintaining a list of untouchables. If the Cubs were trading those guys we would justifiably be outraged if a team told us we couldn't have the pick of their farm.

[davecubsfan]

I'm not the only one who sees this as posturing done by a NY-area rag to increase circulation and attention, am I? You just know that Mets and Yankees fans are drooling over the idea of picking up Miggy. Then again, fans of pretty much every team would love to have him.

 

I'm not buying the idea. Since the Marlins are trying to move, they'd be smart to hang onto their young talent while it's cheap in order to puff up the perceived value of the franchise along with creating fan interest.

 

Granted, they could probably have their pick of the best prospects and overall players in baseball if they were to trade him (knowing the Marlins, it'd be prospects). However, prospects don't mean much when you're trying to get a fanbase excited about your team.

 

Cabrera in Yankee pinstripes makes a lot of sense. The question is what do they have to give the Fish; not much, I think.

 

Maybe the Yankees could build them a stadium in exchange for Cabrera and Willis. 8-[

 

Very good post and probably not far from what Steinbrenner would do :lol:

[RynoRules]

It always amazes me when people talk about getting a Cabrera or Dunn while maintaining a list of untouchables. If the Cubs were trading those guys we would justifiably be outraged if a team told us we couldn't have the pick of their farm.

 

Agreed. I'd offer any three of our so-called top ten.

[CoolHandLuke]

Florida has a lot of young pitching now, but not enough young position players. I would think they'd be quite interested if Arizona offered Quentin, Jackson and Upton, and frankly, no--I do not think Arizona would be overpaying. Those are three monster prospects yes, but Cabrera is a superstar right NOW, and he's just 23, that's sick.

 

I think that would be overpaying. Those guys are beyond prospect. Quentin and Jackson have done nothing but hit all the way up the minor league ladder and I'm guessing the chances that either of them fail to the point of being worthless is very high and the chances of them being solid/great players is relatively high. At the very least they should outperform thier contracts for a total of about 12 player-years for the dbacks. And then Upton. Upton could very well develop into every bit the player that Cabrera is and add another 6ish years. So the dbacks would basically be trading 18 years of undervalued possible star talent for 3 years of higher salary who would then most likely sign with the yanks or whoever offered the most money (which will be a lot). Especially considering the fact that the dbacks are going to live and die with the young players and may not even be ready to contend before Cabrera is in pinstripes.

[SouthSideRyan]

And now the Star-Ledger is wrong on their report that the Knicks had an executive's meeting regarding Isiah Thomas. They can't even get their own local news right.

 

I wouldn't wipe myself with that rag.

[fiver]

And now the Star-Ledger is wrong on their report that the Knicks had an executive's meeting regarding Isiah Thomas. They can't even get their own local news right.

 

I wouldn't wipe myself with that rag.

 

 

me neither..I had to do that one time once upon a time when camping...not pleasant.

[CubfaninCA]

Lee was a great pickup, but he wasn't putting up a .945 ops at age 22. The Cubs nab guys under the radar. They don't go out and get stars.

 

I'm guessing Nomar doesn't count?

 

Nomar's health was pretty shaky when they got him so no. I liked that roll of the dice though. Can't fault them for trying. Dawson's the last big name pickup and he fell in their lap. Alou & Nomar follow. There's probably someone I'm forgetting tho.

[anemic offense]

If Cabrera comes available, he'll be traded for no less than the other team's top prospect and then some. Pie isn't even a top tier prospect, so I think we'd be out of any serious bidding. If Cabrera leaves the Marlins, he won't be coming to Chicago.

 

I think the Cubs could put together a package that would satisfy Florida, but I'm not sure they'd even try.

 

 

A lot would depend on how guys play early this year. If Pie gets off to a rocking start his value will increase. If Guzman looks good, he would be of value as well.

 

The question's not whether or not the Cubs could offer a package that would SATISFY the Marlins. Rather its whether or not the Cubs can COMPETE with other teams' offers, specifically those (Arizona, La, Laa, etc.) that have better farm systems. I believe the answer to the latter question is a resounding no, unless that is, the Cubs are willing to strap this team for several years (considering the high priced guys we already/will have and the lack of depth of talent in the farm system) to come.

[anemic offense]

And now the Star-Ledger is wrong on their report that the Knicks had an executive's meeting regarding Isiah Thomas. They can't even get their own local news right.

 

I wouldn't wipe myself with that rag.

 

I wouldn't either. Might hurt a little bit. :lol:

[nilodnayr]

Question. According to the palm beach post, Cabrera will receive ~400K range. How is he not a super 2? If hes not, then theres something wrong with the rating system (Elias?). If indeed he will not be going to arbi until next offseason then one can assume he will follow along the Sori path and then some (Sori has the advantage of playing 2b, but Cabrera is leaps and bounds better and will be rated as at 3b). Sori made 5.4, 7.5, 10. Cabrera could possibly reach double digits his second year of arbi if he continues to approve (as some predict). However, that will not be until the 2008 season. I assume that is the time they believe the marlins will have to deal him. At that time most likely the teams location will be settled (meaning they shouldnt be looking to deal him). Additionally, the prospect landscape will be quite different. Heck, look where the cubs were 2 years ago.

[NCCubFan]

Question. According to the palm beach post, Cabrera will receive ~400K range. How is he not a super 2? If hes not, then theres something wrong with the rating system (Elias?).

Super 2 status is based on service time, not performance. It refers to the 17% of players with between two and three years of service time with the most time.

[SouthSideRyan]

Super 2s are based on service time, not skill. Cabrera didn't get called up in '03 til slightly before midseason.

[NCCubFan]

Super 2s are based on service time, not skill. Cabrera didn't get called up in '03 til slightly before midseason.

*Points to post right before yours. :D *

[nilodnayr]

Question. According to the palm beach post, Cabrera will receive ~400K range. How is he not a super 2? If hes not, then theres something wrong with the rating system (Elias?).

Super 2 status is based on service time, not performance. It refers to the 17% of players with between two and three years of service time with the most time.

 

Gotcha, I was thinking super 2s were players with 2-2.99 years of service time who were in the top XX% at their position.

[rjchapma]

I'd give any minor league package for Cabrera. He is much better than Murton/Pie and is extremely young as it is. So if theres a chance which there probably isn't give up what eva we need to Hill, Guzman, Murton, and Pie.

[indifferent]

Just an Angels blog, but interesting...

 

If you think The Red Sox want the Moon for Manny Ramirez, you should hear the list of players the Marlins want in a trade for Miguel Cabrera - but they called twice after being told no, not to change their offer, just to underscore thir seriousness in wanting to trade MC. Word around the Cactus League is that the Cubs are going all out to land him.

 

http://www.halosheaven.com/story/2006/3/6/33643/34016