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2006 Adam Dunn Thread (trade proposals encouraged)

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XZero771679666304 Knoxville Smokies

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GOOD IDEA GUYS LET'S DECIDE ONCE AND FOR ALL ON HOW GOOD HIS DEFENSE IS BASED ON ONE GAME WHICH HAPPENS TO BE THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON AND ALSO LET'S HAVE IT COME IMMEDIATELY AFTER HE MOVES BACK TO THE OUTFIELD AFTER PLAYING FIRST BASE ALL SPRING

 

You would have a valid point if not for one small detail....HIS DEFENSE HAS ALWAYS SUCKED, AND TODAY'S PERFORMANCE WAS NOTHING NEW.

 

Dunn has DH written all over him. He always has.

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You would have a valid point if not for one small detail....HIS DEFENSE HAS ALWAYS SUCKED, AND TODAY'S PERFORMANCE WAS NOTHING NEW.

 

Dunn has DH written all over him. He always has.

 

Yeah but Dunn actually is pretty sub-par in the OF.

 

PMR has Dunn a little above average for a leftfielder, above such players as Shannon Stewart, Jason Bay, and Todd Hollandsworth. He's always had relatively good speed for a guy his stature, and obviously he's not going to drop many more balls that hit him in the glove. He'll never win any gold gloves for sure, but he's far from a fish out of water in LF.

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XZero771679666304 Knoxville Smokies

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You would have a valid point if not for one small detail....HIS DEFENSE HAS ALWAYS SUCKED, AND TODAY'S PERFORMANCE WAS NOTHING NEW.

 

Dunn has DH written all over him. He always has.

 

Yeah but Dunn actually is pretty sub-par in the OF.

 

PMR has Dunn a little above average for a leftfielder, above such players as Shannon Stewart, Jason Bay, and Todd Hollandsworth. He's always had relatively good speed for a guy his stature, and obviously he's not going to drop many more balls that hit him in the glove. He'll never win any gold gloves for sure, but he's far from a fish out of water in LF.

 

I have never been a big fan of defensive metrics (and I am a big fan of offensive metrics). I have watched a lot of Adam Dunn, and I love him at the plate. Having said that, there is no way in Hades I buy that he is even an average defender in the OF. Better than Stewart and Hollandsworth? Not in this reality. He is slow and awkward. He doesn't get to many balls. All you have to do is watch him play, it is self evident.

 

He is serviceable at best.

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You would have a valid point if not for one small detail....HIS DEFENSE HAS ALWAYS SUCKED, AND TODAY'S PERFORMANCE WAS NOTHING NEW.

 

Dunn has DH written all over him. He always has.

 

Yeah but Dunn actually is pretty sub-par in the OF.

 

PMR has Dunn a little above average for a leftfielder, above such players as Shannon Stewart, Jason Bay, and Todd Hollandsworth. He's always had relatively good speed for a guy his stature, and obviously he's not going to drop many more balls that hit him in the glove. He'll never win any gold gloves for sure, but he's far from a fish out of water in LF.

 

And UZR had Alou as an above average defender in '04. I don't trust defensive metrics for much of anything.

 

EDIT: Upon looking at the link more closely Alou is also rated as above average for last year. (Even better than Dunn) There's just far too much noise for defensive metrics to be very reliable. If I hadn't seen Alou lumber around the OF incompetently for 3 years, maybe I'd buy into the data a little bit more.

abuck1220 Iowa Cubs

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who cares if he sucks in the outfield? you gonna bench his .400 obp and 50 homers and put tom goodwin out there? the speed and defense bender that everyone is on is insane.
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who cares if he sucks in the outfield? you gonna bench his .400 obp and 50 homers and put tom goodwin out there? the speed and defense bender that everyone is on is insane.

 

So is your hyperbole.

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I never said Dunn shouldn't be an everyday OF, but I've never seen him look like anything better than a poor defender.

 

You weren't, but others were. I'm not trying to hold up PMR as gospel or anything like that, but for every "did you see how terrible Dunn looked in the field today?" there's something like PMR showing he's not an abomination defensively. He may ultimately become a DH(especially as he ages), but now he can play 1B and LF without significantly hurting his team. One game doesn't change that.

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Saying somebody had DH written all over him doesn't necessarily mean he shouldn't be presently playing in the Cincy OF. It's just a way of saying he's a poor fielder. At least that was my interpretation.
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Saying somebody had DH written all over him doesn't necessarily mean he shouldn't be presently playing in the Cincy OF. It's just a way of saying he's a poor fielder. At least that was my interpretation.

 

Ah, I took it the other way. Maybe it was that in conjunction with the "Dunn's getting traded to the AL by the deadline" comments in the game thread.

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It was pretty funny when he almost knocked himself out on the wall.
Then just stood there instead of chasing down the ball.

 

Griffey was right there, there was no need to run into him.

rocket Iowa Cubs

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DUNN IS ON FIIIIIIIIIIRE

 

417/429/1000

 

dunn also hit a homerun in between and over the smokestacks at gabp.

 

Dunn also provided the game's most dramatic swing, hitting the fourth-longest homer in Great American Ball Park's four seasons. His solo shot in the sixth off John Grabow landed on a concourse by the smokestacks in center field.

 

According to Reds employees, the ball bounced out of the park and hit a car driving on a street. The car stopped, a person got out and retrieved the ball, and the car drove away.

 

"I ain't paying," Dunn said, joking about damage to the car.

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Adam Dunn - the modern day Dave Kingman.

 

Tremendous power, tremendous potential.

 

Anybody notice he had a sac fly in game one this season? He's improving his all-around game, I guess...

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Anybody notice he had a sac fly in game one this season? He's improving his all-around game, I guess...
What's the old saying about even a blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while?
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Anybody notice he had a sac fly in game one this season? He's improving his all-around game, I guess...
What's the old saying about even a blind squirrel finding a nut once in a while?

THAT IS A HORRIBLE SAYING WHEN APPLIED TO DUNN.

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Adam Dunn - the modern day Dave Kingman.

 

Tremendous power, tremendous potential.

 

Anybody notice he had a sac fly in game one this season? He's improving his all-around game, I guess...

 

Kingman's career ops was .780, Dunn's is .891 and he hasn't even reached his prime yet. That's not a very good comparison.

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Adam Dunn - the modern day Dave Kingman.

 

Tremendous power, tremendous potential.

 

Anybody notice he had a sac fly in game one this season? He's improving his all-around game, I guess...

 

Kingman's career ops was .780, Dunn's is .891 and he hasn't even reached his prime yet. That's not a very good comparison.

 

Not even close. Kingman didn't have near Dunn's AWESOME plate discipline.

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